i don't see how it's obnoxious i even kind of like double posts

there aren't a limited number of pages

Borges is such an awesome poster.

respect

i don't know. there are a lot of people here who are actually very interested in making games, even if they don't do it. like there are a lot of people with peripheral game making talents that don't really utilize them. there are a million composers and artists and writers, it's just that they don't work on games, but they're definitely interested in making them. i don't think we'd be here to begin with if we didn't have at least some interest in making games.

this post brought a tear to my eye.

it could be this heady liquor i'm drinking but i definitely think it was this post!

oh yeah anyone can submit an article if it's good we'll post it why aren't non-staff people submitting stuff or does anyone even care?

you don't even have to host your images because we host 'em!  well, host them until we upload them to our server but then there's no more strain on you!

Oh wow, I obviously haven't read into WHAT GW6 IS ABOUT enough because I didn't know ANYONE could submit an article. I might very well get on this on a casual basis!

also dom or whatever is pretty dumb becuase making a game maker site is dumb now
members define a community
what do they claim to be able to contribute to be able to achieve a true vision of 'gaming world 6'
examples- those movie articles, shit game topic, interviews
bad examples- new chronotrigger map
more examples- music releases, literature, art showcase what members are really doing and achieving in this miracle world we call 'cyberspace' 

yo i am totally aware that making a game maker site is dumb but unfortunately it is what gw is and it will never change. not least because the admins just dont want it to! everyone is clinging on to what gw used to be in the golden age of rpg making.

basically i totally agree with what youre saying: the rpg maker community has been dead or dying for a long time.

you CAN shift to game development or entertainment/arts but these areas are already covered so much that its pointless.

so there are three options:
1. stay with the classic gw style - be the leader in a dying community
2. move towards game development and more serious topics etc - be a small site that will never attract visitors because the niche is already filled
3. move towards general entertainment/arts review site thing - same problem as #2.

http://gamingw.net/item.php?id=77423

Silver4Donuts just became cooler than half of you kiddies in this place.

if this is the quality of article you guys are looking for then im sorry the site is completely doomed

people shouldn't even make websites any more apparently. everything is already covered. more great posting from dom.

you and a few others here who haven't verbally expressed it seem to think we can just go from NO SITE FOR 5 YEARS to GREAT SITE all of a sudden. you cannot do something like that without a transition period. i like how you actually take the time to post your thoughts on the site when me and panda already had discussions like this before the site was even made. do you think we never thought about the problems of the site before making it? we knew we had no staff. we knew very few community people would ever chip in. right now though, these are the circumstances. for you to even suggest the kind of content and site we have now is going to be the exact same down the line is completely ridiculous. i don't even know why you bother to post that given these facts. this is the GW starting from square one, and it'll take time before we get a site the community can be proud of. if we held strict quality standards right now, we would have only a handful of articles on the site and never any new content. this isn't feasible at all and makes no sense.

this topic was supposed to get the general interest from community members in regards to staff and article submission. once again it turns into a discussion about something unrelated instead of people actually deciding to do something about the problem. me and panda already pointed out there are more NON-GAME articles than GAME articles. the SHIFT of gaming world is going to be whatever the community decides. the only problem is that GW has no chance of living as a general site with the kind of userbase we have. additionally the common interest we all share is GAMES, even if some don't want to make them, and this is what we can do best (if ANYTHING).

i explained in my first post that because we slid down like this, we made it that much harder for ourselves now. we won't go places without effort. right now, there's only a handful of staff and panda who actually give more than an ounce of effort for the site. everything good takes effort to make. do you think that you can just throw it on a few guys and expect the site to succeed?

you can discuss whatever you want about the site direction or it's PROBLEMS but it's a waste of time. the only problem is effort, not any of the garbage you make up. just like in the 50 GW6 topics we had before the site, people seemed to enjoy talking a lot more than actually doing work themselves.

panda and gz: more like goerge bush's fema...

its great how this topic started out with some indignity and some people being like "maybe i can help" and a few more discovering the article submission page but then went exactly how panda said it would (more derails about GW IS DOMMED...)

I've considered doing articles several times and then just sort of never did, I guess I just never thought of anything concrete to do an article about.  But I liked Steel's ideas about just sort of DOING SOMETHING and then writing an article about it, that kind of thing is something I'd check a website for on a consistent basis so why wouldn't other people?  If the articles are good, it hardly matters what the website is themed around, I actually prefer a site with articles about wildly different things that all have the shared factor of BEING INTERESTING instead of "our site has to be about this or that".

After reading this topic my interest in writing an article or two has been renewed, but I'm not making any promises because who knows what will happen...  The only one I will promise is that I plan on submitting a review on the Wiz when I get mine, because most of the reviews of the previous GP2X systems just don't answer enough questions about what having one is really like so I'M GONNA FILL THAT GAP.

I just hope that people realize that you don't have to be permanent staff to submit an article, we'd do better with people who only submit one article ever than having those people never write anything.  The site's just going to be stagnant if nothing is added to it on a regular basis, why should we even argue over what kind of theme we want for this site if we aren't going to put any work into it to begin with?  You want GW to be a game making site?  Submit game making articles.  Let the site become whatever it will.

Man I thought about it for a few minutes and I realized my biggest hangup over writing articles is that I think that I'll write something that no one would really give a shit about.  Like, I've thought about doing something like...just going to my local flea market or vendors mall and just take pictures of the people and shops there, because there will be stalls where someone is selling like...an INDIVIDUAL, TEN YEAR OLD TAMPON and other things no one could really justify selling, and the write an article about my trip.  But would anyone read this?  Every time I come up with an idea I guess I just have no idea if it would work out or not and it kind of ends my enthusiasm.

what are you talking about? that sounds like the best article! I love these photo-journalistic articles!

you'd be surprised what people read when they're bored.  i don't think any article on something awful has any merit whatsoever but i spent 8 hours one day just reading stupid shit.

If people will read something like that I would really enjoy writing it, I guess I just don't trust my own ideas.  I've also thought about just popping into a random local church and reviewing it, but I'd be pretty much guaranteed to run into someone I know and I don't want to explain why I was in this church for just one day (I have done this before, just gone to a church out of curiosity and then people wonder why I only went the one day and I have to sound like an asshole going 'HEH JUST CURIOUS, I DON'T REALLY INTEND TO GO THERE')

Really?  That's weird?

My parents used to church hop all the time.  It was pretty much a social networking thing.

Church is a pretty much a big joke. A good place to pick up women or gossip, though.

and this is coming from someone who believe jesus will one day come back.  i'm going to hell guys!

Yeah but I went to the local Catholic church (on Ash Wednesday, what better day to go?) and it's in a town where most of the people believe the Catholics are going to hell for "not being Christians" and for being "Jew and nigger lovers".  Can't figure any of that out, but basically the people in town either go there 'religiously' (heh...) or would never go there.  For me to just pop in for one day is really weird!

its great how this topic started out with some indignity and some people being like "maybe i can help" and a few more discovering the article submission page but then went exactly how panda said it would (more derails about GW IS DOMMED...)

dude wrong

GW got a new staffer outta this thread. 

people shouldn't even make websites any more apparently. everything is already covered. more great posting from dom.

quit putting words into my mouth.

you and a few others here who haven't verbally expressed it seem to think we can just go from NO SITE FOR 5 YEARS to GREAT SITE all of a sudden. you cannot do something like that without a transition period.

please read my posts. specifically the parts where i say the old blog was fine as a transitionary period

i like how you actually take the time to post your thoughts on the site when me and panda already had discussions like this before the site was even made.

and this ladies and gentlemen is exactly what is wrong with the administration

"don't post your thoughts on anything we do because WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT. we do what we like. we don't give a shit what the members think because we already decided what we're going to do"

but obviously only when the member disagrees with what you apparently spent months discussing. just the two of you. i'm sure you got a LOAD of viewpoints from those discussions with a closed set of people. oh wait no you didn't...

if we held strict quality standards right now, we would have only a handful of articles on the site and never any new content. this isn't feasible at all and makes no sense.

you can't build a house without a good foundation. if you want quality content, enforce it from the beginning. get a backlog of articles to post before you launch the site so that you can keep a steady stream while you're still trying to gain pace. the only thing you are doing by publishing substandard articles is DRIVING AWAY visitors. nobody wants to stay on a site that has shit content. and that shit content will stick in their minds, which means it'll be a cold day in hell before they ever come back.

the admins, and most of the members, are inherently biased about everything GW does. you all view it through rose tinted glasses. you lack the ability to be critical of anything GW does.

you can discuss whatever you want about the site direction or it's PROBLEMS but it's a waste of time.

it's only a wasteo ftime because WE ALREADY MADE UP OUR MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man I thought about it for a few minutes and I realized my biggest hangup over writing articles is that I think that I'll write something that no one would really give a shit about.  Like, I've thought about doing something like...just going to my local flea market or vendors mall and just take pictures of the people and shops there, because there will be stalls where someone is selling like...an INDIVIDUAL, TEN YEAR OLD TAMPON and other things no one could really justify selling, and the write an article about my trip.  But would anyone read this?  Every time I come up with an idea I guess I just have no idea if it would work out or not and it kind of ends my enthusiasm.

noone who likes good writing would read that, no

"don't post your thoughts on anything we do because WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT. we do what we like. we don't give a shit what the members think because we already decided what we're going to do"

oh come on dude this discussion has happened every three months for the past FIVE YEARS. just because you did not participate doesn't mean it didn't happen IN PUBLIC all the time.