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hey can you clarify something for me, you posted this in the valentines day topic:

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I'm hoping to do nothing but she'll probably yell at me for that.

does this mean you have a girlfriend but you're constantly hiding from the world playing video games and trying to avoid going out with her?  because that makes no sense whatsoever and i'd probably dump you tbh, not over valentines day but just how can you date someone who can't deal with other human beings?

edit: also you are a girl, just saying in case others didn't realize it because i didn't until just now
Last Edit: February 11, 2009, 02:18:51 pm by Velfarre
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haha people nah i don't need people. i'm perfectly fine just sitting here with my bag of adjectives. let's see... I got RED! :)

"when are you going to get some real adjectives? your posts sound like a 3rd grade english paper."

Hush, you. You don't have the capability to understand my superior quality of life, how can you expect to understand my superior use of adjectives? Externally it may not seem too sophisticated, but at the heart they're the most beautiful adjectives in the world. *vomits*

"What the hell?"

Oh, i do that sometimes. My body purges itself, it's part of my quality of life. I find that regular purging makes me feel better.

"You know that's bad for you?"

No it's not. You just don't agree with it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad for you.

"...Why do i still talk to you" *leaveS*
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After reading some of your other posts, I've figured your problem out:  you already know global warming is going to ruin the planet soon so there's no reason to worry about life.  Why live life when we're all going to die anyway?
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also, Video Games are reaching a point where the environment isn't so limited. And real life is limited to. There is a time limit, you only have 1 life and no saving, and almost all repercussions are permanent. then there is PAIN, which you don't feel in a video game... I'll admit, arguing against REAL LIFE is sort of absurd but eh yeah...

There's a simple solution to this... don't be a failtroll IRL like you would in trade chat on WoW. If life came with a reset button, would we ever press it? I think not, since we're bound to make a different mistake and have to do the whole thing over again and get nowhere in life when maybe this mistake would lead to a better outcome in the long run?

But to the poster of this thread, you may feel fine with having "online friends" but I can assure you that they are NOT your "friends" per se. Someday the joys of the internet will fall to the wayside (or you'll lose the internet/your computer), and you won't have this "lifestyle" any more... and the friends you could have had in real life would still be there. What I would suggest is not being a complete "shut-in" and making at least a few real life friends and socializing with them offline, hanging out and what-have-you. I mean sure, you COULD socialize with people online but before you know it, it'll become a "can you help me PK this camping N00B in STV?" and you really don't want to be an attack dog for your "friends". I can understand if the people you are -forced- to deal with bug the hell out of you, but living each freelance moment in your house playing MMORPGs and watching Naruto will just lead you into further depression. The days will blend together and you will be left wondering just why the hell you spent this long inside instead of going out and actually doing something productive with your life aside from the "necessary skeleton" of supporting yourself.

As a parting note... You can be a virgin until you're old and gray and you don't have to be a sports champion or be able to run a marathon everyday, but getting outside and communicating with the people around us is an essential part of what we were put on this earth to do. Letting our bodies fall to pieces while browsing the internet, no matter how strong our minds become, will not a happy and long life make.

EDIT: Pardon my mistakes, didn't take the time to really look into things as much as I should have.  :shady:
Last Edit: February 11, 2009, 03:26:33 pm by Corfaisus
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There's a simple solution to this... don't be a failtroll IRL like you would in trade chat on WoW

there's also a simple solution for the internet:  don't say shit like failtroll ever

edit: also learn what freelance means it doesn't mean the same thing as just plain free
Last Edit: February 11, 2009, 03:14:48 pm by Velfarre
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why make a post about this if you don't think there is anything wrong with it? why ask the very same people you want to be isolated from to give opinions on the matter?

Discussion purposes.  To see if I really am the only person who doesn't have a problem with this kind of activity.  Also, I guess I wasn't clear - I'm not talking about boarding myself up in my hose for years on end and never seeing another soul.  I do have two people I'd call friends, am in a successful relationship, and socialize with people as necessary during work, school, or shopping.  My significant other is a little bit of a party bug but she doesn't seem to care that I'm not interested in that.

I suppose the ideas I really wanted to open to to discussion were, Is it fine not to want to be a part of the huge social mechanisms of society?  Is it fine to really only have one or two pals and not give a shit about meeting anybody new?  Or, perhaps, is internet socialization the same as outdoor socialization?  To be honest, I think they're a lot closer than people think.  You can still form trust, emotional bonds, you can still do fun things together, and you can also still be tricked, lied to, or hurt.  In terms of pure emotion I think they can be equal, if you can move past the stigma of "LOL INTERNET FREINDS U LOSER"

But that's just me.

does this mean you have a girlfriend but you're constantly hiding from the world playing video games and trying to avoid going out with her?  because that makes no sense whatsoever and i'd probably dump you tbh, not over valentines day but just how can you date someone who can't deal with other human beings?

No, generally when we spend time together we're either gaming or watching tv.  Occasionally we go to the movie theatre.  Most of the other entertainment in this town (that doesn't involve drinking/bars/clubbing) is all outdoorsy stuff, hunting, fishing, hiking, rock climbing, camping etc, and neither of us are interested.  So we generally just watch movies.  She likes to go to university parties and head out to bars and all that, but I don't.

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i'm all for spending plenty of time on the internet but if you seriously talk to people like this you need to like....TAKE A CLASS IN CONVERSATION or something because it's obvious you have no idea how to talk to a human being

Of course not, I was just paraphrasing.

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listen, you are going to have a shitty fucking life if you don't stop acting like every single person is the worst human being, if you hate talking to people so much there's no reason to be on a message board, since we're people too.

But that's the thing about the internet.  Despite our distances we can still talk like this, right now.  What if one of my hobbies was, instead of game making, necrophilia or something.  I'm quite sure I can't walk down the street and find somebody on my block interested in necrophilia, but I'm sure there's online communities about it somewhere.  I've been where I am for four years now, and I haven't once found anybody else interested in amateur game making.  The internet is an extremely useful tool in the context of this topic because it creates social communities for people where they might not exist in real life.

I don't hate people or anything like that, I just don't see the point in socializing when you have no common interests with the other person whatsoever - and considering that (despite all of my attempts to find something new to do,) my interests are still pretty limited, it limits the number of people I'd care to speak with.  But on the internet, that's not true at all.  Despite most likely not living near any of you, I can come to GW (or other sites) and talk about amateur game making if I so choose with large groups of people who are entirely real.  Just cause you're bangin' on a keyboard doesn't make you less of a person.

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Have you tried playing D&D or GURPS with a big group of friends, Dissonance?

No, but it sounds like the most horrendous thing imaginable.
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what's a failtroll?
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is it like a finntroll?
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Two friends huh? That's a lot how do you keep up with them?
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I think what he's doing is he's trying to argue something specific with you, but there's a more general issue at the core of the matter he's not addressing.

The main point of the issue is that you don't enjoy social activities, so you find other activities and spend your free time on those exclusivley. He argues that you are retreating or hiding yourself from the rest of the world by only enjoying solitary activities, and your defense is that you simply have no interest or get no enjoyment from social activies so you have no compuslion towards them and concider it part of a perfectly plausable disposition.

As to whether or not your preference is plausable or healthy all depends on why you have that preference in the first place. What is it about social events that keeps you from enjoying them? It would seem like it's a pointless thing to think about since you don't have any interest in them, but maybe you are unable to enjoy social situations simply because you don't do well in social conditions. Like, your freind who frequently enjoys social situations does so because he is much more capable of getting out of them the things that makes being socialble an enjoyable thing.

I've always felt that way about my preference for isolation in my free time, and it's followed me my entire life. And yet I've been constantly forced by the conditions life gives me (humans are inheritly social beings, and it shows in the way society imposes itself on you on a daily basis), to get out of that comfort zone and experience social things. I still perfer solitary activities, (or if they are social, it just involves a few freinds in a very casual setting) but the more and more I find myself out there doing things in a way I'm not fully comfortable or content, the more capable I find myself when it comes to handling those situations, and maybe getting a few positive things from the experience because of it.

I think your freind is concerned because your ability to function in society (at one level or another) is very much determined by your ability to interact with other people in social situations. It's not like you should change your interests or what kind of person you are, but you shouldn't shy away from a new experience just because you are uncomfortable with it. Be open to try new things once in a while. If you go out with your freind maybe once a week, then he'll most likely stop bitching about your habits involving interacting with glowing screens of computational information, and doing something you don't enjoy every once in a while won't kill you. If you are lucky, you might end up enjoying it more than you'd think (once you get used to it that is).
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I'm quite sure I can't walk down the street and find somebody on my block interested in necrophilia

Gaming and game making are much more common though, this is a terrible analogy.  Maybe you just haven't tried hard enough to find people interested in it, because you seem like the kind of person who doesn't go out of their way to find people to be friends with.  It's like you've given up on the whole concept, and that's why you use the internet as a replacement.

Plus, game making can't be your ONLY interest, don't base your possible friendships solely on that one interest.  Some of my best friends in the past have been people that I shared only a few similar interests with, but who I just really got along with on a personal level.  Try meeting people for the sake of meeting people.  Fuck, maybe you could GET someone you get along with into game making, just because you can't find anyone into it doesn't mean giving up forever.

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Of course not, I was just paraphrasing.

How do you paraphrase something into a conversation where you talk like the least-liked member of a debate team?  I don't understand how you could take a conversation where you didn't talk like that and turn it into one.

Besides that, all I can really say that I haven't already is that I agree with this:

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I think your freind is concerned because your ability to function in society (at one level or another) is very much determined by your ability to interact with other people in social situations. It's not like you should change your interests or what kind of person you are, but you shouldn't shy away from a new experience just because you are uncomfortable with it. Be open to try new things once in a while. If you go out with your freind maybe once a week, then he'll most likely stop bitching about your habits involving interacting with glowing screens of computational information, and doing something you don't enjoy every once in a while won't kill you. If you are lucky, you might end up enjoying it more than you'd think (once you get used to it that is).
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Gaming and game making are much more common though, this is a terrible analogy.  Maybe you just haven't tried hard enough to find people interested in it, because you seem like the kind of person who doesn't go out of their way to find people to be friends with.  It's like you've given up on the whole concept, and that's why you use the internet as a replacement.

Plus, game making can't be your ONLY interest, don't base your possible friendships solely on that one interest.  Some of my best friends in the past have been people that I shared only a few similar interests with, but who I just really got along with on a personal level.  Try meeting people for the sake of meeting people.  Fuck, maybe you could GET someone you get along with into game making, just because you can't find anyone into it doesn't mean giving up forever.
Pretty much this. I was the same way when I was, like, fourteen, but you learn to get over it and (usually) appreciate the merits of interacting with and becoming closer to other people. If you're really that fixated on GAMING/ANIME/MOVIES (or whatever) just wait until you get to college maybe? I think a lot of people tend to discard the silly stigma they have for talking about "socially unacceptable," things when they get out of high school and are allowed to be themselves.

I know your entire argument is essentially "why do other things when I don't want to?" but I feel like that's pretty nonsense logic. Why go to school, worry about your hygiene, or take care of yourself? Why even get up in the morning? =/
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Also, I lived in the tiniest fucking town in Kentucky and I knew at LEAST two or three people into game making.  You aren't trying hard enough.
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whats a muds?


it's somewhere between a chatroom and a multiplayer text adventure
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yo if you talked to people you'd realize how horribly forced this is.
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something tells me she hasn't gone out and tried everything the outside world has to offer, or has even made much of an effort.

this pretty much. once you grow up a bit you'll realize how enormously fucking stupid you're being.
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