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SO, tomorrow I leave for MEPS (military processing for the U.S.) for the Navy.  I'm totally prepared to start up a career in the Electronics Technician field, even though most of my close friends are begging me not to leave.  This is something I've pondered and considered and reconsidered for the past 4 months, and I'm ready to set a date for boot camp.  I've made the effort to keep myself chemically clean for the past couple months, and it's not been hard now that I have some personal incentive to do so.

For me, this decision has been about finally growing up and taking serious responsibilities instead of working minimum wage jobs and blowing money trying to decide what I'd like to do in college.  It's also about jumping out of this cocoon of a small, backwards town which has left me with little to no ambitions.  I've never left the country, and I've never personally seen 90% of my own country.

I understand the United States' military is not the most popular organization around the world  :welp:​, but I do feel that we are moving in a better direction.  I also feel that it is one of the best programs for any young man/woman to join for the best discipline, motivation, and relevant education (depending on your field) the world has to offer.  And this is not just some mumbo-jumbo I've heard from a recruiter.  The U.S. Navy is over-capacity right now and my recruiter is less than enthusiastic about really enlisting anyone at the moment.

SOOO, has anyone served their country for any length of time?  I know there are at least a couple of Swedes here who have mandatory military duties, and at least a few others that have served their respective countries voluntarily.  How do you feel about that?  How do you feel about obligatory service (drafts)?  Pretty much anything anyone has to say about any form of military I'd like to hear (though I expect many negative comments about the U.S.).  However, I'd really like to hear from anyone with firsthand experience with military service.
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I would personally never join the military in any form. However, that doesn't mean I condemn people who do. In fact, I admire them for having the courage to go out and put their lives in danger to defend their respective countries.

On a similar note, I have a bunch of friends (like 5) who all graduated high school last year and have now joined the military. I commend them, just as I commend you.
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There's really not much to commend about a typical job like this in the Navy (unless we were to enter WW3 against the ruskies), it's just an atypical setting where you get deployed once every 1.5 years.  I do have 5 or 6 friends that are in either the Army or Marines, which, right now are into some much heavier shit than I will ever see. 

I'm really glad to see that we GTFO of Iraq and focus on Afghanistan, thought it could be just as futile as when the Soviets campaigned out there.  I wouldn't be surprised if our higher enemies were underhandedly supporting the Islamic militants out there.
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In fact, I admire them for having the courage to go out and put their lives in danger to defend their respective countries.

i too am a fan of the taliban and the hitler youth.
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the professional employer organization?
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just don't let them change the way you think.

its going to take a lot of willpower to stop it. Everyone I've known thats joined has changed their outlook on the war, but if you see it first hand and try to keep your mind stable without some asshole trying to drill some bullshit into your brain. Then you should be ok.
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I did one years military service here in Sweden as a squad leader / communications specialist. One of the best decisions I've made (conscription is pretty much voluntary in Sweden now due to low volumes of conscripts and politics). Gave me a lot of experience in both being responsible and being a leader. I mean, sure it was hard work, but having routines was nice. Going on international service is voluntary in Sweden though, so I wasn't under any sort of risk of being sent into battle (except if, you know, the Russians got more crazy). So yeah, I'm for conscription in Sweden. I wouldn't have this experience if it didn't, it's pretty culturally accepted (been around for a hundred years now), we're a very sparsely populated country (defending it all would be hard with a small amount of soldiers) and the defense was generally run better when we had full conscription as opposed to the professional army we're going towards now. So yeah, ask me anything you want to know. =]
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just don't let them change the way you think.

its going to take a lot of willpower to stop it. Everyone I've known thats joined has changed their outlook on the war, but if you see it first hand and try to keep your mind stable without some asshole trying to drill some bullshit into your brain. Then you should be ok.

This is pretty much my response.

I knew a guy who signed up and concerning the general middle east issue he went from "it's horrible how we are continuously exploiting these people" to "let's just nuke em all and take their shit they're not human anyway" it's kind of disturbing.

Also I can't see myself signing up for the military because I don't want to assist - however small of an assist it would be - the current war effort.
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I don't agree with the war, but I respect you for making the decision, and for doing something that might make people far away (eventually) have a better life... be safe.
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i too am a fan of the taliban and the hitler youth.
but those are the forces of evil!! We're the forces of g...good...
it's completely different
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steel thinks all the worlds countries should abandon their militaries so there will be world peace.
until terrorist organizations kill all of us.

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I just hope you have a decent head on your shoulders, as a none-too-bright buddy of mine joined the Navy with great aspirations and now he's basically a janitor. 

Granted he's a janitor on a NAVY SHIP, but he's still just swabbin' floors. 

Also I don't have any firsthand experience with the military, but my little brother joined up a couple of years back and he's loving it.  He's part of the 82nd Airborne in Ft. Bragg, North Carolina and he's already had a seven month tour in Iraq.  Oddly enough he's actually ENJOYING the experience and can't wait to get shipped to Afghanistan later this year.
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There are much better career paths and ways to becoming a responsible, well-travelled adult than the military.

I guess you could do worse than the navy, but it really isn't your best option.
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i think the military is amazing but it also sucks
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Well, right now I'm waiting at the Sheraton Hotel in New Orleans for the physical portion of processing that goes on tomorrow.  Pretty nice hotel, so YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK AMERICANS.  I'm pretty excited to get started, to be honest.  I'm ready to go to boot camp.  The general consensus is that you NEVER ADMIT TO ANY HEALTH PROBLEM ever during the physical MEPS examination, no matter how miniscule, and no matter how much they threaten to imprison or fine you for fraud.  Otherwise, pretty much anyone can be disqualified (no one has ever been charged for such a thing).
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There are much better career paths and ways to becoming a responsible, well-travelled adult than the military.

I guess you could do worse than the navy, but it really isn't your best option.

just out of curiosity, what do you have in mind for, let's say, someone fresh out of high school with absolutely no work experience and a part time job?  take out a massive loan and try to work through college?  approach a job with a degree and zero work experience in your field and expect to get hired?

the biggest thing the military provides is a stepping stone into your career of choice since you're literally on the clock 24/7.  i got a journeyman's license in audio/visual repair from the department of labor in less than a year while getting paid.  i couldn't have done the same thing in the civilian world.

that's not to say the military doesn't have its ups and downs as the organization is literally a frat house in the way it works.  first off, anyone thinking about the army or marines is stupid (brave, but stupid) as there's about 2 rates that pertain to any stable job on the market.  the navy and airforce are pretty much 90% technical related jobs.  i'm an electrician but i'm doing information technician work i could get a job at microsoft right now making 60K a year and i don't even have a degree in the respective field.

the important thing, evangel, is to keep a good head on your shoulders.  the military is first and foremost A JOB which means it's your responsible to take initiative.  even though it'll be drilled into your head at boot camp, you have to forget about the policy "Navy first" and think "ME FIRST, Navy second."  if you see an opportunity, mother fucker you better hop on it because there will be 100 other guys clawing at your feet.  connections are important; as an ET, you'll be doing a lot of mission critical things like repairing radios and maintaining communications.  even as a seaman bitch boy, you hold a lot of sway in how the ship is run.  make friends, keep friends, use your friends to get ahead.

just don't lose hope midway through and try to do stupid shit to get out.  if you fuck up, the military will take your money.  if you try something stupid to get out (like attempting suicide or doing drugs) the military will take your money before booting you out with an itinerary back home and a black mark on your record.  as an ET, you have a pretty slow advancement rate (you'll make 3rd class quick but good luck after that!) but ET's are RARE in reserves.  i've seen ET's get 60K sign on bonuses for reenlistment and reserves!

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*SIGN UP FOR THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM IMMEDIATELY!  I waited a year before signing up and I missed a fucking journeymans certificate because of it.  in some civilian technical positions a certificate from the dept of labor carries more weight than a fucking bachelors.

*SIGN UP FOR THE GI BILL.  You'll get an option in boot camp to spend 100$ a month on the GI bill.  DO THIS.  the navy will pay 3/4 of your tuition and give you MONEY FOR A HOUSE based on the MOST EXPENSIVE SCHOOL IN THE STATE.  i could go to some crappy university in Massachusetts and the navy will pay me as if i'm renting an apartment in boston.

*DON'T FUCK UP IN A SCHOOL.  as an ET, you have one of the longest schools.  if you jack off and neglect your studies, they'll kick you out and make you a deck seaman.  a deck seaman is literally a janitor that handles lines.  fuck that.

*USE YOUR TUITION ASSISTANCE!  unlike the GI bill, the navy will FULLY PAY YOUR TUITION while you're still enlisted.  I also neglected this on my first sea tour and missed out on a fucking associates (I was 7 credits away SEVEN CREDITS AWAY AND ALL I DID WAS COMPLETE BOOT CAMP AND IC 'A' SCHOOL).  now i'm working on my bachelors which i could have had a year ago.  fucking stupid.

*DON'T BE A RETARD.  there's a clause in the UCMJ that's basically a catch-all meaning "if you fuck up in any way we deem inappropriate we will pinch you by the balls until they turn blue."  if you do something stupid and get sent to captain's mast you will lose so much money and hate life.  i guarantee this.

*ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE.  if you get put on an aircraft carrier or small-boy then fuuuuuuck you will see so many ports.  my first cruise we went to dubai, singapore, taiwan, hong kong, osaka, australia...  don't be that jackass who sits in his rack playing gameboy.  you will see places some people won't in their entire lives.

basically, treat the military as a JOB because it is one.  as a sailor, you won't see any action except maybe a drunk loony who thinks he can taunt you while you're standing a gun watch.  just do your work, swallow your pride, say "yes sir/chief, no sir/chief" and don't be fucking stupid.  take advantage of the fact that you're getting paid 24/7.  understand that the reason the navy gives sailors so much fucking money for school is because literally a small percentage actually takes advantage of it.  i think i read somewhere that 10% of sailors actually use their GI bill or Tuition Assistance that's fucking 200K in schooling down the drain.
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oh last tip

*if the navy isn't for you get the fuck out.  my opinion is that the military is fucking stupid and draconic.  i've got less than 2 years left.  i'm pretty much bleeding this place dry; getting as much money and education as i can before my 6 years are up and i'm never looking back. 

don't be that douche that keeps reenlisting then complains about how much his life sucks.  nobody forces you to put pen to the paper and sign your name on the dotted line