Well FUCKIGN, I am error YESOKhi buddy i was thinkin of u n' some of the other dudez the other day
hellol there
Long fucking time
Googling GW-ism brought me back to this place.
For those who don't know me, I am Rave/Shepperd, I used to go to GW since 2003/04.
I left pretty much after the sad event of 2008.
Also because Facebook and university took my life.
But it's 2012 now and even though I hardly think of GW nowadays, there are many things that has impacted me and has remained in my subconscious.
So on one hand I want to say hi to all and see how many people of the older days are still here, what they have been up to lately..
And for topic's sake, let's make it about how so many years of GW has impacted on your life.
For me, Targ, and phrases like asdoaina, bouheauhea, beah beah, fgono, faggit.. they all still kinda stuck with me.
I have good memories of GW humour, the joning, the bizarre characters, like Barkley or Foget..
Stupid prefix and his <3
Diggity Dawg's poem Repoed and targography. (Is Diggity Dawg around?)
I'll keep thinking of more..
the fuck are you, I need the old nicknames #2termz
edit: I used to follow DDawg on livejournal, but he just stopped and I lost track of him
I can't hear someone say frank zappa without remembering shepperd (sorry kaworu). oh, and the flaming lips and basquiat
But it's 2012 now and even though I hardly think of GW nowadays, there are many things that has impacted me and has remained in my subconscious.
im dietcoke/wet blanketFuck yeah, sup Shaved Rabbit.
but these are my favorite shepperd memories:Funny I don't remember these at all.
returning for a few days and admonishing GW for not being interested in sport
something about getting hit on the head by a book of Camus when you were 12
Also Dad, as far as I know Dada is Omeg. Probably you are Drule. Wild guess.I'm Omeg, and Dad is just hero_bash...
Well FUCKIGN, I am error YESOKI remember you used to be in crap shack so im sure you know me. There all coming back. Hope to see more art around here and more activity and maybe dada can drop the new forums soon.
hellol there
Long fucking time
Googling GW-ism brought me back to this place.
For those who don't know me, I am Rave/Shepperd, I used to go to GW since 2003/04.
I left pretty much after the sad event of 2008.
Also because Facebook and university took my life.
But it's 2012 now and even though I hardly think of GW nowadays, there are many things that has impacted me and has remained in my subconscious.
So on one hand I want to say hi to all and see how many people of the older days are still here, what they have been up to lately..
And for topic's sake, let's make it about how so many years of GW has impacted on your life.
For me, Targ, and phrases like asdoaina, bouheauhea, beah beah, fgono, faggit.. they all still kinda stuck with me.
I have good memories of GW humour, the joning, the bizarre characters, like Barkley or Foget..
Stupid prefix and his <3
Diggity Dawg's poem Repoed and targography. (Is Diggity Dawg around?)
I'll keep thinking of more..
hi shepperdWeird to read that
http://guana.deductivereasonable.com/sheppost/ (http://guana.deductivereasonable.com/sheppost/)
idk what happened to diggity dawg maybe hundley knowsnope. haven't heard from him in years.
Dad is hero_bash
faust might be around soon
GaZZ backpacked through south america didn't he? And he hung out with you for a bit? Are you in Argentina?
Hey Faust, I do know you (who doesn't), and this account is my second one. I was around since late 2003, but became relevant probably around 2005.
We didn't talk much. You do know my best friend GaZZwa though.
lol rapeThis is what we used to think was funny for real.
http://dick.tomatoland.org/ (http://dick.tomatoland.org/)
doug beach
This is what we used to think was funny for real.Furious Niggar?
It's been a long time, but I still recognize a few names. Marmot, Afura, ATARI, Mateui (holy crap!), Faust (awesome!), Dada, Kaworu, Hundley (I don't think we got along, but hello again!), and geodude are the names I remember from this topic alone.
I've been in the Army the past three years. It pretty much consumes my life, so I don't come here much anymore. But when I do I find I recognize the names of people less and less each time. Good to know we're still getting new(ish?) members.
GW definitely made me a more creative person. Making games got me into writing, and that has become my favorite hobby. Weirdly enough, the articles I wrote for GW years ago have been reposted around the Internet on other gamemaking sites, though with different names listed as the writer.
Those articles were terrible, but I mainly wrote them for myself, to remind me of what I thought at the time made for a good story.
It's been a long time, but I still recognize a few names. Marmot, Afura, ATARI, Mateui (holy crap!), Faust (awesome!), Dada, Kaworu, Hundley (I don't think we got along, but hello again!), and geodude are the names I remember from this topic alone.
I can't remember who it was, but someone once saved a quote by me saying I vowed to never, ever leave GW.
frisky you gotta have the xanqui pic......you know which oneI can think of several pics I've posted, but I'm not sure which you're referring to. It wouldn't be from the one-man GW meet, would it?
I've talked about chef boyardee once before too. it's real weird.
if you're referring to the "he is building happy mormon future" graduation pics then those were of someone elsethanks for recalling another awesome GW phrase
Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but it's the only notable graduation photo of me I know of:ahhh thanks. that's a good pic.
if you're referring to the "he is building happy mormon future" graduation pics then those were of someone else
i want to see these. also man safarigoku is going really far back in gws history.aaa look at all these gw pics @ google search "happy mormon future" https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22happy+mormon+future%22&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1271&bih=664&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch
I was a really big jerk for a long time with no real justification besides that people liked me so I thought it was okay. I sincerely thank you for responding and accepting my apology.and that was it, gone!!
my favorite all time GW drama was between that one girl sammy and Adien or whatever his name was... apparently they shacked up and he was really abusive and put "machines" in her butt.
i remember sitting at my computer sincerely tossing up whether someone's computer could really explode and kill them.
my favorite all time GW drama was between that one girl sammy and Adien or whatever his name was... apparently they shacked up and he was really abusive and put "machines" in her butt.
i know absolutely nothing about this, though i remember aiden. if you find the topic you better post that shiti aint gonna go digging, but i remember steel telling me all about it so it was probably something revealed over IRC
the entire impetus for questioning them was that they sounded kinda made up. it turns out i e-mailed VB quite a bit more than i remember, but there was more 'evidence' that his stories were real than fake imo, the most convincing of which for me was that he was offline when he said he was at the hospital and as soon as he started working he never logged in during school hours etc.I had a long discussion with him once in which he had me try to talk him out of committing suicide and then he ended by saying he made the attempt but then the rope came down and took a part of his ceiling with it.
Finally remember when dr funk came back for the final time and he wasnt as funny as we remembered and actually quite lame. he was like a hero back in the day though, always pushing things really far then getting banned and coming back to rapturous applause
Also remember the truth, how he was like quite conservative and had huge arguments with practically everyone?ya, then he left & came back and was a liberal for Obama and had an obama lincoln avatar. then he came back a third time and was fine
what the hell are you on about? I don't remember that.Do a forum search for the username "Sammie", I'm sure it was changed but there's a few references to it cuz she was constantly posting pictures of herself at one point and members of this site would get all riled up about something likes that. Kinda wish my bro Amark was here to back this one up because it was the best story.
The important thing is we all got better!thats bullshit jamie
I had a long discussion with him once in which he had me try to talk him out of committing suicide and then he ended by saying he made the attempt but then the rope came down and took a part of his ceiling with it.his friend was in a car accident and he ran through police tape (because that's what police put up when there's a car accident with victims still on the scene) and held his friend as he died.
He was deaf and then in the hospital the first thing he heard was his girlfriend saying "I love you".
there were a ton of things, a million stories exactly like this, maybe they had a kernel of truth but at the very least they were fantastically exaggerated. I clearly remember discussing it with Steel and noting that not only was it completely implausible but some things didn't even make perfect sense. Granted, I don't recall the exact details! But yeah the evidence was pretty convincing.
there were a ton of things, a million stories exactly like this, maybe they had a kernel of truth but at the very least they were fantastically exaggerated.
thats bullshit jamiemaybe YOU didn't get better... but i did. tons. >:^B >:^7 *smiles smugly*
how so?Got people riled up and feeling very strongly about doing something pretty benign: putting clean laundry in his mouth
no lie i talk about this place in coded terms all the time. it gets super awkward when people are like, "oh, who was the friend?"
"ummm.... chef... boyardee..."
i am also still really uncomfortable with the title of this thread
lets not whitewash our sordid history...
i am also still really uncomfortable with the title of this thread
also, woah mkk is a lesbian, interestins
oh and since people are bringing up funny and shameful moments from the past: my 15 minutes of internet drama came from when chef impersonated me on AIM and wooed doktormartini and then posted the chat logs. and for some reason chef thought i lived in Hawaii, and so that's what he had said to dok. FYI, Sludgelord: even now, people ask me on IRC if i'm from Hawaii, even though i have lived in Michigan for my entire life. :PI posted this quote on irc and this was his response:
oh and here is another thing which still exists from my GW-related past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6HNfhwW0y4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6HNfhwW0y4)oh no those comments aaaaaaaaaaaa
ahahaha semper games
EDIT: i remember that when i put up that video, some of my IRL friends saw it and thought i was really weird and messed up. sacrificed my reputation 4 GW no Big Deal......
pansexual, not lesbian. FYI :P i am indeed super queer these days! a lot of my childhood homophobia came from a source of self-hatred and repression. thankfully, i eventually learned to accept myself and others. :> i'm still a Christian though, btw (Quaker, specifically).
also, hi Shep, good to see you around :D
hi Seph are you still listening to weird rock?
i remember people telling me how I'll grow out of metal and prog... heh...
anyway if someone wants to make another Troubadour album I'll be up for that
i showed my now-girlfriend some cool-clips on youtube and later she searched my username and found gamingw and my joning etc.
i don't know what i was doing with some of my old posts but a lot are just offensive/unfunny and it's just generally painful to re-read.
you don't register with the same username everywhere you go unless its something super generic.i think i got the right idea
anyway if someone wants to make another Troubadour album I'll be up for thathey yeah lets do this i'm in support of this
i've only ever RPed once in my entire life. and treesock was involved.
Never again.
sup, i used to frequent here a really long time ago and was even staff for awhile... I was kind of an idiot too, haha. But I'd say this site introduced me to a lot of cool new things and people! so uhh hi if anyone remembers me
theres like never anyone on irc
can you show members IDs or joining date so everyone can see how i'm the only remaining oldbie and people like ds are frauds who joined in 2002
it's my only achievement
Faust you are one of the original originals. How did you find out about GW? Were you friends with bart?
IMHO hipster oldbie = 2001 - 2004
yeah there are??? maybe you're getting on at bad times???
fuck y'all I've been here for a decade and what does that get me??
Oh, I think DP was hired due to having like ACTUAL SKILL though haha.Rumors of actual skill are largely exaggerated. What I did was mostly moderating the forums, sometimes well, sometimes like the 15 year old that I was. Fun times. I wonder what happened to wishmoo?
Wasn't she a bit of a lunatic? What was the story with her other than being the admin of Gaming Ground Zero....
12:48:07 am, October 05, 2005,wow, over-reaction much, If you think I'm wrong then just say so, no need to get deffensive.
Fuck you Swordfish . I'm totally an oldbie, Fuck I even was one who helped bring the no longer existent MINT and multiple Color Premium names n shit , been around for all the good nonsense(Steel and Avril Lavigne, Bruce Genitals, etc) , even the bad (Waluigisoap's Pant's ....)
I think anyone who joint before the decline, before the lack of fron t page , before Bart left an Oldbie. (ie like Late 2006-early early 2007 and back)
she was somebody's mother and she was insane. that's all I can really remember so I guess what I'm saying is that I would also like to hear some wishmoo storiesI read somewhere wishmoo managed to get the phone numbers ( home and school I beleive) of someone and made at least a few harassing phone calls.
I just remembered Pulitz ridiculous gunshot incident. I think he got shot in car and he got pushed out or something and he somehow got back to safety? Man, it was a ridiculous story, I cant remember it right
The phone call story was webbeh, she rang up his school and he got called to the principle's office over it lol
It goes a lot deeper than that though. She did some really fucked up things, including to individuals who she lived in. She took in one of the members of the old rpg2knet crew and ruined his life over the files for some rpgmaker game.what
GW was hated/disliked by other communities huh? I did not know this. I figured all GW had was nothing more than playful rivalry between some other RPGMaker site. (that I forgot the name of)
Were we disliked strictly because of the fucking with other communities?
what
what
it's not that being younger makes you more prone to being mean, but rather than it makes you more prone to doing or saying stupid, regrettable shit.it also makes you more prone to going along with a group, and groups are usually led by the most vocal and vicious.
it also makes you more prone to going along with a group, and groups are usually led by the most vocal and vicious.yeah this is definitely true. i think the one thing more than anything else that younger people seek is acceptance and belonging to something. i think that's especially true for the average gw member, whether because they were a nerd, or weirdo artist-type, or lived in a small town and couldn't find like-minded people to chat with about similar interests.
it's not that being younger makes you more prone to being mean, but rather than it makes you more prone to doing or saying stupid, regrettable shit. in this case acting like dicks to people unnecessarily, but there's plenty of other things the community did that we're all collectively embarrassed about. eg. NIGGAR GONNA GET RAPED IN PRISON or w/e the fuck being a meme that a bunch of people laughed about at one point. or arguing with people about racism while calling them 'retarded faggots' completely unaware of any irony. i even remember a very old topic where some of the most intelligent members were basically using the south park defense in their use of the word faggot. also remember our epic jone rap battles? because i sure as fuck don't want to.
It feels like I no longer have a place here, in that sense at least. And it seems boring to me. :/
you should be able to speak your mind and so long as it's not meant to be offensive then you can say what ever you want however you want; if any one is offended then that's there problem and they need to deal with out, not you.this is the #1 excuse that racists, homophobes etc. use: they say "well, I didn't MEAN for it to be offensive, YOU'RE the problem here." well, there's an obvious problem with that, namely the fact that it puts the burden on the victim. so then the bully can say whatever they like, and if anything is considered offensive, it's the fault of whomever they decided to bully. that's the argument that allows racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and so on, to persist.
Sorry that you find most of us not liking racism, sexism, etc. anymore boring.
this is the #1 excuse that racists, homophobes etc. use: they say "well, I didn't MEAN for it to be offensive, YOU'RE the problem here." well, there's an obvious problem with that, namely the fact that it puts the burden on the victim. so then the bully can say whatever they like, and if anything is considered offensive, it's the fault of whomever they decided to bully. that's the argument that allows racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and so on, to persist.while it's very nice and sweet and tender, and it's the right thing to do, and what I normally do in RL, the internet and GW in particular was the space where I would go nuts and have a laugh while using these taboo words.
there's a much simpler and more moral approach that you can take: when someone says they're offended by something you said, assume that they're telling the truth (because they are), empathize, and make some effort to not repeat the offending material again. it's a very small effort, anyone can do it (and if you slip up, that's OK, because at least you're making an effort), and it makes the people around you feel a lot better. there's a name for what I just described, and it's "political correctness". the other term for it is "being nice to people".
you can either choose to hate political correctness because it doesn't allow you to say "nigger" in public anymore, or you can simply be nice to people and not use those words.
But much rather a relaxation of everything that's taboo in real life.
So besides Games master jasper, what other epic trolls did GW do? I don't remember a whole lot tbh.there actually is a long, embarrassing history of people doing epic trolls for teh lulz. i'm glad this is at least one thing i am totally guilt-free about and never participated in.
Your whole post isn't considering that this is very much the opposite of relaxing for the people the slurs are targeting (even if you're using it in a "joking" way)ok, I'll be a nice kid. I'll comb my hair and tuck in my shirt. I'll do the homework in time. I'll say no to drugs whenever offered. And no alcohol as well, it kills brain cells. No promiscuous sex. Bed by 10. Healthy balanced diet, free of cholesterol. Always give money to charity. Empower women. Teach the street children and give them a platform to have a voice. Vegetarian. No cigarettes. Tolerant to all religions, no matter how far fetched. Perpetual volunteer to any social work.
ok, I'll be a nice kid. I'll comb my hair and tuck in my shirt. I'll do the homework in time. I'll say no to drugs whenever offered. And no alcohol as well, it kills brain cells. No promiscuous sex. Bed by 10. Healthy balanced diet, free of cholesterol. Always give money to charity. Empower women. Teach the street children and give them a platform to have a voice. Vegetarian. No cigarettes. Tolerant to all religions, no matter how far fetched. Perpetual volunteer to any social work.more productive
LIKE A DAMN GOOD HOMO SAPIEN
lol i like that "empower women" is among "say no to drugs" and "bed by 10"Don't you know
ok, I'll be a nice kid. I'll comb my hair and tuck in my shirt. I'll do the homework in time. I'll say no to drugs whenever offered. And no alcohol as well, it kills brain cells. No promiscuous sex. Bed by 10. Healthy balanced diet, free of cholesterol. Always give money to charity. Empower women. Teach the street children and give them a platform to have a voice. Vegetarian. No cigarettes. Tolerant to all religions, no matter how far fetched. Perpetual volunteer to any social work.I don't think you really get what we're playin' at here. It really does boil down to what I mentioned before about being nice. That doesn't mean you have to become the Mahatma. You don't even have to be very friendly for all I care—all that's required is that you at least make a serious effort towards avoiding the use of words that confront people with the fact society considers them lesser beings. Even if it's just a joke, and even if your intentions are pure and you really don't have any ill feelings towards whatever group you slighted. Intentions really aren't relevant. This is, in my view, a really simple principle to uphold and a very fair thing to ask of members.
LIKE A DAMN GOOD HOMO SAPIEN
God forbid, we grew up ! ! !So did I. So what. Does that mischievous inner child have to die?
I'm pretty surprised by swordfish's post considering... well... being part of the trans community and all...It's mostly this, what I meant was that, If I'm not saying anything offensive, why should I have to watch what I say? It's not racist, not sexist, not ignorant, not intolerant, then the only thing left is that your just offended by how I said it and well that's your problem as far as I'm concered becuase I'm not trying to be offensive in any way shape or form.
At the same time I acknowledge that line of thinking in that I think she's trying to say she hates worrying about not offending people rather than that she actually wants to go out and say nigger and faggot out loud, or say other hateful things.
She wants the technical freedom to say mean things, but doesn't actually have a need to say mean things (and potentially even other people to be able to say mean things to her). She doesn't want to have to constantly have an extra layer of mental filtering.
In a less absolutist sense. one might also probably doesn't want to take fault or blame for offending someone on accident. Since it was an accident, no one is technically to blame, and one should only take blame if they continue after being told not to say whatever it was that was offensive. (but Dada sort of already covered that I guess)
Swordfish definitely could have worded her post better though.
So did I. So what. Does that mischievous inner child have to die?You say this like it's a good thing that people appreciate in children. People appreciate creative children who challenge conventional thinking by virtue of not having been subjected to it as much, but this is simply a matter of being nice or not. Whether you're 11 or 22, you have to try to be nice to people and live together with other human beings in a mutually respectful manner. It's just that when you're 11, you get a bit more leeway because you're young and might not know how to do this.
I don't think you really get what we're playin' at here. It really does boil down to what I mentioned before about being nice. That doesn't mean you have to become the Mahatma. You don't even have to be very friendly for all I care—all that's required is that you at least make a serious effort towards avoiding the use of words that confront people with the fact society considers them lesser beings. Even if it's just a joke, and even if your intentions are pure and you really don't have any ill feelings towards whatever group you slighted. Intentions really aren't relevant. This is, in my view, a really simple principle to uphold and a very fair thing to ask of members.whoa whoa whoa, intentions definitely matter. Its just that we can't read minds and even sarcasm detection and joke detection tends to fail on the internet.
whoa whoa whoa, intentions definitely matter. Its just that we can't read minds and even sarcasm detection and joke detection tends to fail on the internet.
Thing is, I dont disagree with what you guys are saying. I practise that in RL.
All I say is I still find this forum as a space where I can have a more relaxed, careless, PI, approach (outrageous comedy)
Thing is, I dont disagree with what you guys are saying. I practise that in RL.
All I say is I still find this forum as a space where I can have a more relaxed, careless, PI, approach (outrageous comedy)
When it comes to slurs? No, intentions don't matter. Slurs aren't okay whether they're as jokes or as full-on regular-old hate.I'm a determinist. I can't be rationally mad at someone if they offend me unintentionally (and I know it was unintentional at least). Maybe frustrated with them though. Maybe some pity if they learned this behavior to the point that its ingrained in the psyche.
When it comes to slurs? No, intentions don't matter. Slurs aren't okay whether they're as jokes or as full-on regular-old hate.Agreed, If your not even saying it with serious intention, I think that's worse as you are not even considering it to be an issue, thats disreguarding what other's consider to be super important; at least those that that have hate are at least putting the issue at the same level as those that are opposite them (not that I agree saying it at all is ok). It's essentially insulting them and at the same time disreguarding the issue as well.
I'm a determinist. I can't be rationally mad at someone if they offend me unintentionally (and I know it was unintentional at least). Maybe frustrated with them though. Maybe some pity if they learned this behavior to the point that its ingrained in the psyche.
whoa whoa whoa, intentions definitely matter. Its just that we can't read minds and even sarcasm detection and joke detection tends to fail on the internet.No, they don't really matter that much. Maybe someone would be content to know that someone "didn't mean it", but as I said before it's also the fact that people don't like being confronted with the knowledge that they are treated as second class citizens by society. So you can have the best intentions imaginable, and it would still make someone feel bad. And it really doesn't help to know that someone considers it good humor to say things that you take offense to.
yeah but the fact that you feel the need to unwind in such a way is pretty alarming imo!! i act "polite" irl too, but never in my life have i ever felt repressed by it and never have i felt the urge to go on the internet and scream nigger nigger cunt faggot nigger just because i could.lol, is that your impression of me? I have a bit more of uh... depth than that
It's only relaxed for you dude!!! Most of us aren't relaxed by ~*~hilarious~*~ slurs, especially those of us who are targeted by them!!!I know!!!!! Ain't that OUTRAGEOUS!?!?!??!!!
lol, is that your impression of me? I have a bit more of uh... depth than thatIn that case I wonder why you feel so strongly that your humor or art has to rely on the use of slurs to "work"? That's certainly not the case for Targ or anything else.
lol, is that your impression of me? I have a bit more of uh... depth than thatwhether or not your posts have more depth than that is irrelevant. my whole point was that you feeling repressed by "political correctness" is the problem. i dont care if your racism is supposed to be ironic or not. "ironic" racism still normalizes racism and perpetuates racist ideologies.
I don't care if I know logically that someone wasn't seeking to hurt me, slurs that target me are gonna hurt me every damn time, and because of that I can extend that feeling to slurs that don't target me. Why the fuck does anyone NEED to be using them anyway? They aren't funny jokes.For the case of rules of our forum? definitely.
No, they don't really matter that much. Maybe someone would be content to know that someone "didn't mean it", but as I said before it's also the fact that people don't like being confronted with the knowledge that they are treated as second class citizens by society. So you can have the best intentions imaginable, and it would still make someone feel bad. And it really doesn't help to know that someone considers it good humor to say things that you take offense to.I guess it might be different in your country Dada, but intent is generally considered fairly important in determining the amount of guilt of any party.
This kind of reminds me of what the hacks like Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens used to say, about how the US is far better than Osama Bin Laden because we don't intend to kill children, and that puts us "in a different moral universe" (actual quote). But the truth is, it doesn't matter when you're a child that's staring at the smoldering remains of his house and family.
You brought it up first though by saying everyone here was "too PC" and "too nice" or something and that you "don't have a place" because of that.
I guess it might be different in your country Dada, but intent is generally considered fairly important in determining the amount of guilt of any party.
Its what separates murder from manslaughter for instance.
That's because I was recalling all these things from the past and everyone seems to be embarrassed about.
And I'm more like, this our past man... we used to laugh at these things, and I still find them humorous, perhaps because it is a part of our shared history.
Also I think its fairly clear Sheppard wanted to stir something up and got more than he wanted.
I guess it might be different in your country Dada, but intent is generally considered fairly important in determining the amount of guilt of any party.OK, so let's take your logic. Say someone stabs me to death, they get brought in front of a judge, and he explains "But your honor, I was only testing the sharpness of my knife! I didn't intend to kill Mr. Dada."
Its what separates murder from manslaughter for instance.
Making a special exception makes sense in our case because joining us is optional in the first place and that determining intent over the internet can be fairly difficult.
:^)fyi nobody here is going to believe you were "just trolling" or anything like that. What it looks like is that you passionately support the use of slurs in humor and started backing off the moment it became clear that this is an untenable position in today's community.
used to have epic ones with trystero which bordered the absurd and ridiculous
:^)
used to have epic ones with trystero which bordered the absurd and ridiculous
What it looks like is that you passionately support the use of slurs in humor and started backing off the moment it became clear that this is an untenable position in today's community.
Not really, I don't support the use of slurs in humour nowadays....
The KKK is part of Kentucky's history, I'm sure as heck not holding that dear.
lol, 'he isbring raped in prison' and KKK are equally dark dots in our past
or maybe I do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vj2iQSeboAthis is painful to watch. all he needs is a fedora and a segue at the end into a bit about atheism.
this is painful to watch. all he needs is a fedora and a segue at the end into a bit about atheism.but it's OK because there's a donation link to cystic fibrosis at the beginning so that buys you just enough BitCoins™ to get off a few good slurs
I hold dearly the way we used to use slurs in funny ways in the past here in GW. IT WAS EDUCATIONAL.its ok to remember the community's past, but it's more important to understand those things for what they were [horrible ][/horrible] and not to romanticize it as carefree youth.
You guys seem to be embarrassed by it. I'm not, ok? I like to remember it, and I think you guys are a bit too PC about it.
or maybe I do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vj2iQSeboAthanks for posting this, because it's awful and even Louie doesn't like that bit and doesn't do it anymore. not that a comedian is someone you should learn life lessons from
I've been reading my own past post.you're kind of boring. what if the edgy thing for you to do is actually be genuine and a half-decent adult??
My god I was ridiculous back then. I built up this online persona that was so polemic and pedantic. And I know I did it for fun, to shake the sheets a bit, specially when I felt GW was starting to decline evidently.
its ok to remember the community's past, but it's more important to understand those things for what they were [horrible shit that should make you feel bad] and not to romanticize it as carefree youth.~~~ it's the forum that made us what we are today ~~~
Proportionally speaking? Might as well be. Thanks for being obtuse so as not to have to confront your disgusting pride in some of the worst parts of our site's history though.I'm really surprised by how strongly ashamed you feel about this site's 'dark' history.
you're kind of boring. what if the edgy thing for you to do is actually be genuine and a half-decent adult??I tackle that issue in RL. This is about GW's PI past and you guys shunning from it
I tackle that issue in RL. This is about GW's PI past and you guys shunning from it
thanks for posting this, because it's awful and even Louie doesn't like that bit and doesn't do it anymore. not that a comedian is someone you should learn life lessons from
~~~ it's the forum that made us what we are today ~~~
I'm really surprised by how strongly ashamed you feel about this site's 'dark' history.
I totally don't feel about it that way. I'm not saying what we did was right (because of course now we was great, sensible and evolved homo sapien), but it was good fun times.
Sure it was fun at the time! But just a few posts ago you were justifying it as right.
I'm not uptight at all, but you are still wrong for romanticizing saying nigger and faggot. It's not up to you to decide whether people who have been subjected to the words should be offended or not.
We have plenty of smart, interesting and creative people. For instance this topic: http://www.saltw.net/index.php?topic=82136.0 (http://www.saltw.net/index.php?topic=82136.0)
If being interesting for you revolves around slurs, then you are the boring one. Being smart and evolving mentally as a person, is infinitely more cool than obsessing over not being PC. As you can see most of our old members agree, and even a lot of the ones that have left since our heyday would feel the same.
Louis CK bit, which he himself is turning away from these days.I'm not buying this. Unless he says somewhere that that slurs routine was stupid.
i like how the word 'evolved' was being used as a pejorative
I guess I'm the only person that cares about intent universally.
Also, if Louis CK was black, gay, or a woman (or all of those) would that change how you felt about that video?
But I find the routine funny and not offensive, except for uptight people.
shepperd I don't know why you care so much as to obviously rile people up, though. I know why everyone cares, because this is serious stuff that they deal with in their everyday lives, and it's really annoying to see yet another guy* bringing this stuff up like it's a revolutionary subject no one here has ever thought about before. I guess this is a fun exercise for you, and that's what irritates me. if you're just ignorant, fine, but if you know what you're doing and are just trying to upset people about significant parts of their lives, that's kind of despicable, don't you think?
There's a saying that goes "intent isn't magic". If you don't intend harm, you can still DO harm. The key (in this scenario) is to then apologize for it and not cause that same harm in the future. Most people don't do this though. If you want to prove your intentions were good, apologize and stop doing that same harm. THEN people will care about intent.of course. The only aspect here I take moderate issue with is the requiring an apology. Unless you are suggesting an apology is needed merely to indicate lack of nasty intent rather than saying they need to feel bad for being a shitty/stupid person(edit: as in it was a mistake or accident). Obviously agree that they should stop though.
Well, if he was, he probably wouldn't be making those jokes. And, if he did, then it would have ENTIRELY different connotations than someone who isn't. A straight white man is not the one who gets to decide how much fun it is to say slurs where he's the one in power. It's really damn easy to talk about how much you miss saying faggot when you've never had to live as a gay person.Well, he's saying he misses it. Not that he thinks it'd be right to bring it back.
i was just saying this on irc - about how he has gotten much better basically since he got divorced or around then. what i was saying though is I don't think he has renounced that kind of stuff, but just that he doesn't do it anymore (which is normal, he throws out old material every year). has he said something about how he now thinks that routine was stupid that i missed?well, no, I guess it's just kind of wishful thinking based on this radio interview where the awful interviewer kept essentially doing that bit and trying to get Louis to say something about it, and he wouldn't. maybe it's just because it was old material or the guy was cramping his style, I don't know, but I've noticed he hasn't even been using those words anymore and they used to be a pretty big part of his routine.
I dunno man, I'm talking about our common past and I'm kinda disappointed most don't have fond memories of the humour at the time, whereas I do, although I can understand why it couldn't be replicated nowadays
"I find this joke about how cool it is to say faggot, nigger and cunt hilarious!"it's called ability to laugh about oneself. A woman/gay/black with a sense of humour and relaxed perception of society can have a laugh with that routine, because it addresses how ridiculous we are about taboo words and slurs. It's all in the mind
~ forums poster shepperd who isn't gay, black or a woman, so has no idea how these slurs feel
Wow sure am glad you're the one who gets to decide that it's Officially Funny, everyone! Glad you're the gatekeeper of what's funny and that if we don't agree, we're uptight!
e: I mean seriously how dense can you be that you're saying "well I don't find it offensive!!!" Of course you fucking don't, why not actually look at people who those slurs target instead of YOU. Why do you think you're the one who decides this for everyone else?
The only aspect here I take moderate issue with is the requiring an apology. Unless you are suggesting an apology is needed merely to indicate lack of nasty intent rather than saying they need to feel bad for being a shitty/stupid person. Obviously agree that they should stop though.
Well, he's saying he misses it. Not that he thinks it'd be right to bring it back.
it's called ability to laugh about oneself. A woman/gay/black with a sense of humour and relaxed perception of society can have a laugh with that routine, because it addresses how ridiculous we are about taboo words and slurs. It's all in the mind
Uh, yeah you should feel bad for hurting someone. And you should apologize. An apology should be required when you've hurt some one, that's basic decency. If you really didn't intend harm, then idk why this would be so hard.OK I realized this is actually understandable, like stepping on someone's foot... You say sorry for your failure.
Why would you even miss it? Like, I used to not know how bad these slurs were. I don't find myself going "man, I miss the days I could call people fags..." That doesn't even occur to me to think that way. He's implying that he wishes he could still use these slurs, and everyone is laughing because they do too. You can't just take this on the base level he's presenting it at.Well, he said he missed the words specifically for aesthetic value and what the USED to mean. They weren't even slurs in his mind before. He probably just needs a new word that has the same specific meaning as an insult that he originally intended faggot to mean for instance.
I have fond memories and a lot of us do. but that doesn't mean we werent little turds. You were saying that humor was totally fine and that was why people got riled up because duh saying nigger even ironicially wasn't cool?It's like I can emphasise with the mischief of the time. I can still laugh and chuckle at all those terrible things we did. I don't start weighting them on some morality index. Sure, wouldn't do it nowadays, but I wouldn't shun it either.
But um you just posted a ton of content and a video justifying why using slurs is ok? Also you just defined for other people that it is all in their mind.If you go back to the context of the original post where I posted the video, you'll see I was using Louis CK as an exception
It's like I can emphasise with the mischief of the time. I can still laugh and chuckle at all those terrible things we did. I don't start weighting them on some morality index. Sure, wouldn't do it nowadays, but I wouldn't shun it either.why try to argue with people then? if you choose to be nostalgic about it instead of wanting to learn from it then that's fine, but i don't get why you can't respect where other people are coming from. maybe instead of telling everyone else they're too uptight and then try to turn a total non-issue into a debate, you could've just walked away from this and avoided the headache. there's no reason why your thoughts about the community's past can't coexist with how everyone else feels.
why try to argue with people then? if you choose to be nostalgic about it instead of wanting to learn from it then that's fine, but i don't get why you can't respect where other people are coming from. maybe instead of telling everyone else they're too uptight and then try to turn a total non-issue into a debate, you could've just walked away from this and avoided the headache. there's no reason why your thoughts about the community's past can't coexist with how everyone else feels.heh, it's not a headache.. it's fun to argue about something, specially something we all have in common, which is GW's past
So you posted it to make the specific point of how not funny it was?eh? you've got it wrong. It's the other way round.
Great line of thinking. I enjoy watching how well that is working out for you.
It's fun for you because it's just a thought exercise on your end.it's fun for you too, because it's your chance to disagree with someone about something, apparently
Well, it does seem like we go through one of these arguments about every other time a old face shows up.Really? That's great to know!
it's fun for you too, because it's your chance to disagree with someone about something, apparently
and I'm wondering now if you guys also disapprove Louis CK's use of slurs in the youtube providednot really. he's just doing a cheaper, less hypnotic version of what carlin used to do. i mean he's just obviously riffing on language. not particularly well, but this is just kinda stupidly innocent to the point where i think it'd be a waste of time getting bent out of shape over it.
Warning - while you were typing 24 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.ps you folks need to get better interests/fascinations in life
but i guess there's a limit to how incensed i can really get over this issue. i hear people say all kinds of dumb shit all the fucking time. there aren't enough hours in the day for me to begin trying to correct it all. this is doubly true for people i actually wish to have some sort of worthwhile relationship with. people usually don't fucking care that i have some hangup on some dumb shit that they say or casually think, so i usually go out of my way to keep that shit to myself unless i find that thing reaching some tangible problem-area.
Yeah I sure am arguing with this because I love arguing, not because slurs are a part of my life I have to actually deal with on a regular basis. Unlike you, I actually have real-life investments in this area, which is why I argue it so hard. I don't have the privilege of not caring about it.
e: Your biggest problem throughout this whole thing is that you think that your life experiences are the same as everyone else's, so you can't see how any of this actually matters to others.
That's cool Vellfire. Care to tell me what kind of real life investment you are involved in? I'm genuinely interested.
yeah you should move to San Francisco or Brighton... or over here if you want, we're liberal as fuck and gay marriage is legal.
USA conservatives are very difficult people
where is over here?messiland
Yeah it's not like you were in this topic defending slurs, let me just take life advice from you on what I should do to feel safer. Spoiler: I'd still have something to worry about in all of those places. The problem isn't Kentucky.the big cities and uni cities welcome diversity much more than smaller towns with a more conservative culture
And again, it's not my job to "laugh off" slurs, I'm not the one to blame for slurs. You're in here defending the use of them for the sake of "humor", don't tell me I'm supposed to just laugh them off when you yourself can't even bring yourself to stop finding them just so dang hilarious.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwxggCkzjKA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwxggCkzjKA)
Yes, some places are better than others. That doesn't mean my problems are over. It just means it's easier for you to pretend like they are, because you see them less that way.Correct. Which is better. And you find more like-minded people.
shepperd you should be pretty clear that nobody thinks you are enlightened here. what you're saying is just common bull that guys say. you don't know what is up and you don't want to know. you aren't being misunderstood, you just don't really get it. maybe you could but you'd need to drop this pretentious bullshit first.
Correct. Which is better.
When I said you I meant literally you by the way, it's better for YOU because you can ignore it, I can't ignore it because it's happening to me. Stop pretending like you're doing me a favor when you clearly don't give a shit anyway, I know a hell of a lot more about Life As A Queer Lady than you, I don't need you telling me where the better places to live are.of course, if it's happening, then you should perhaps move to a better environment, which is what I'd say is good to consider. And I talk from my own personal experience from travelling and discovering how different places have different profiles. For instance, Spain has a pretty macho culture, but Barcelona is exceptionally gay-friendly.
But whatever, i'm through with this, you've spent this whole topic proving that you've never moved past old GW where we were all teenagers who giggled at slurs because we weren't fully developed people yet. Grow up and try us again then.
of course, if it's happening, then you should perhaps move to a better environment, which is what I'd say is good to consider. And I talk from my own personal experience from travelling and discovering how different places have different profiles. For instance, Spain has a pretty macho culture, but Barcelona is exceptionally gay-friendly.
carlin had some really fucking awful bits that make louis ck look progressive by comparison. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUVjZPVj1Pk)yeah, that's why i made the comparison. carlin was all about pushing those limits, sometimes rather successfully, sometimes not so much(as shown in the video). sometimes it was pretty cheap stuff, but the guy had a really strong presentation i think, an unusually intricate sense of rhythm for a stand-up comic. i more or less value that more than the actual content, most of the time. in any event, this doesn't really bother me. comedy is a rough business. it's an abstraction of reality, and sometimes that takes humorists to pretty dark places. it shouldn't really be a surprise when these guys wander this far, particularly when you're talking about comedians whose thing is to challenge convention and the banality of existence. peter cook is a good example here. a lot of people(myself included) have stood by the belief that he was the most gifted humorist of the 20th century, probably as responsible for the way humor has developed culturally in the english language as anybody. but he loses a lot of people when it comes to the derek and clive tapes, as they were as filthy as you can realistically get, yet in them you see some of the most outstanding examples of improv humor ever recorded, even if the personas they were playing were genuinely gross and offensive. i'd post some of the stuff i really like here, but if shep is being laughed out of the topic for some legitimately innocuous louis ck video, i'm not going to bother with something else that is going to make everyone's bileducts swell.
You said very clearly that it's okay to still find slurs funny. Please explain why rather than claiming you are being misunderstood with no explanation. Also you assume that if people are offended this automatically means they are boring and too politically correct. Please explain.
p.s: it's pretty fair to tell you to grow up after you justify the use of the word faggot and try to define for others whether it is hurtful. understand that it is not your place to define for others how they should feel when as a non-minority you have absolutely no experience. That's like being non-musical and telling a guitarist that trying to learn a song isn't hard. It's ridiculous because you would have no idea. This is the same thing, you are an outsider looking in.
Please quit pretending that you care about this or me or that you're actually trying to help anything when I have repeatedly told you I'm not interested. I don't remember asking you "Hey Shepperd, as a queer woman where should I live?" I don't want your advice on this, shut the frig up dude, stop pretending to be the helpful savior after what you've already put into this thread.lol, helpful savior. Sorry for being nice, it came pretension-free.
Also thanks for pretending like I can just move away from homophobia and sexism as if it's not gonna happen pretty much everywhere. Gosh, why didn't I ever think of that?
Why can't you just cheer up about the fact that I spent the whole thread insisting that it's funny to belittle you via slurs?belittle me? Me in particular? Yeah that wouldn't be nice. But if the discussion was about slurs about my ethnic minority (greaseball/greaser), it could be funny depending on the intent!!
yeah, that's why i made the comparison. carlin was all about pushing those limits, sometimes rather successfully, sometimes not so much(as shown in the video). sometimes it was pretty cheap stuff, but the guy had a really strong presentation i think, an unusually intricate sense of rhythm for a stand-up comic. i more or less value that more than the actual content, most of the time. in any event, this doesn't really bother me. comedy is a rough business. it's an abstraction of reality, and sometimes that takes humorists to pretty dark places. it shouldn't really be a surprise when these guys wander this far, particularly when you're talking about comedians whose thing is to challenge convention and the banality of existence. peter cook is a good example here. a lot of people(myself included) have stood by the belief that he was the most gifted humorist of the 20th century, probably as responsible for the way humor has developed culturally in the english language as anybody. but he loses a lot of people when it comes to the derek and clive tapes, as they were as filthy as you can realistically get, yet in them you see some of the most outstanding examples of improv humor ever recorded, even if the personas they were playing were genuinely gross and offensive. i'd post some of the stuff i really like here, but if shep is being laughed out of the topic for some legitimately innocuous louis ck video, i'm not going to bother with something else that is going to make everyone's bileducts swell.
anyway, on that note, i can say with some degree of confidence that i regret absolutely none of the targ comedystuffs i ever posted here. even the stuff that wasn't very good, or the FIERCE NIGGAR stuff that could easily have been regarded as casual racism(even though my intent was literally the opposite), or really anything else that could have been considered offensive to somebody. i'm sure if i looked back at it i'd regard some[most?] of it as pretty juvenile and not very funny, but i'm not really aware of any tangible bad that ever came from it. apart from the occasional YOU SHOULDNT DO THIS ITS AGAINST THE RULES, it was always pretty clear i was making a joke, and i never got any complaints of my being offensive. hell, if anything, i stand by the whole targ thing i helped perpetuate as something that was definitely good for the people involved, probably the only thing i can really say about anything i've ever done in my life. all the targ guys turned into neat people, and it was fun helping cultivate that abstract, creative side of them, even if it was kinda small and inconsequential in most ways. but there was always that lingering targ thing, that odd abstraction of reality from time to time that most people don't have, and i guess the narcissistic part of me feels like i helped put that there, like this shit we did together taught them as much as it taught me.
embracing the madness. loving the madness. eating the madness. rong paul 08.
posting for the cred but not for the rape jokessb?
man I love you hundley.Yeah, I had a feeling this is kinda what you were trying to say all along, but kinda got caught up in this stupid rapid-fire debate to say it.
You're so eloquent, whereas I stumble in the process (something about the forum format makes me write exceptionally bad) of trying to explain myself.
I share that same spirit. That targ spirit. That part that you wrote speaks to me very truly, and I know it did to Diggity Dawg too. Who I miss. Fuck, where is he. (I understood that the intent of FIERCE NIGGAR was the opposite as well.)
in case you care, targ still is part of my life. I dont manifest it much, but it has been incepted into my DNA
i understand the logic in comedians having freedom and pushing boundaries - and for some dark humor can even be a coping mechanism through some kind of trauma - but more often than not these jokes are always lazy and unfunny and said mostly for dumb shock value. like take that carlin bit for example. completely ignoring the subject matter, there was nothing about it that made me think 'ok this could be kinda funny i guess'. he seemed to think that there was something inherently funny in being silly about a serious issue and that was basically the extent of the whole bit. like there was nothing clever about it at all. any dumb hack could've made the same joke and often those are exactly the kinds of shitty jokes you hear from people who've watched too much family guy or tosh.0.pretty broad generalization, i think.
Yeah, I had a feeling this is kinda what you were trying to say all along, but kinda got caught up in this stupid rapid-fire debate to say it.no he got too caught up in being a fucking horrible dumbass whose sole purpose of returning to this forum appears to have been to get everybody riled up with his bigoted pseudo-profundity under the guise of nostalgia. there was no debate. there was just an endless string of attempts to prolong this ad nauseam at the expense of everybody who genuinely cares about this type of thing.
i don't think you're really trying to say this, or really mean this. i'm guessing you're just unusually irritated to see comedians fuck up serious topics, and i can respect that. i'm not really terribly bothered by it myself, and humorists really need to step extremely far over the line to bother me, but that's purely my own sentiment. i've tried(and failed) enough in comedy to know that sometimes you throw everything and the kitchen sink out there. sometimes stepping way over that line is the right thing to do, sometimes it isn't, and it can be hard to tell. i usually save my venom and intense scrutiny for comics who are expressing a genuine, quantifiable negative viewpoint, rather than one that is just obliviously reaching for a joke in the taboo, which is usually the case for a comedian not understanding a topic they're trying to satirize.tell me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that the only thing you're really analyzing is whether the humor works or not in such an event. but that's not really the concern here. I'm sure for most people it works exactly the way you describe it. if the point is to try and use these taboo subjects to really get through to people and hammer the point you're trying to make deep into their beings, it might very well work for some, but you're going to cause a split in your audience. and the split is probably going to be on the basis of demographics. and as unpredictable as the outcome will be when you start going there, it seems to me that this is a predictable effect. some will be taken in by it, and some will be taken out of the narrative and back into the real world where these things are real. the question is whether you're willing to have that happen.
buncha straight white guys tryin to explain how slurs can be funny sometimes, N I C Ehey that's ok sometimes i don't read topics before i post in them either
pretty broad generalization, i think.yeah um that's not what i meant. maybe i worded it wrong but i was talking specifically about the subject of making jokes about taboo/dark subjects like rape or the holocaust or whatever. anytime i've seen jokes about these specific subjects they've always been lazy and dumb and rely mostly on the shock value. but maybe i'm just not looking at the right comedians idk. dada said it better than i did though so i won't bother repeating his post.
hey that's ok sometimes i don't read topics before i post in them eithernope that's actually legitimately what this topic comes down to right now
nope that's actually legitimately what this topic comes down to right nowas far as i could tell it was just one person arguing for slurs being funny and everyone jumped down his throat? geodude's post made it seem like there was an actual debate here when it was far more one-sided than that.
as far as i could tell it was just one person arguing for slurs being funny and everyone jumped down his throat? geodude's post made it seem like there was an actual debate here when it was far more one-sided than that.the argument for the use of slurs is the basis for this discussion, and then we hear from someone else that it's just a matter of comedians "doing it wrong" and that sometimes you need to "throw everything and the kitchen sink out there", so I can get why geodude would make this observation even if the discussion goes deeper than this.
his post was still disingenuous and dumb and described the topic as something worse than it actually was. i mean the topic IS stupid, but coming in here with your cool one-liner flippant observation isn't going to make it any better.it's not surprising there are people who would legitimately take issue with this topic. when you say stuff that bothers people, sometimes they respond. sometimes even in irrational or emotive ways.
your post was still disingenuous since it was absolutely not at all a debate between a bunch of white guys about why slurs are ok, but rather one person's dumb opinion and the 10+ pages of people telling him why he's wrong.I think hundley's next response will clarify things, but I don't find it strange that, as things stand, geodude would take issue with what he posted. in any case you are also not particularly helping by acting like geodude's post is somehow this really major exacerbation.
your post was still disingenuous since it was absolutely not at all a debate between a bunch of white guys about why slurs are ok, but rather one person's dumb opinion and the 10+ pages of people telling him why he's wrong.
tell me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that the only thing you're really analyzing is whether the humor works or not in such an event. but that's not really the concern here. I'm sure for most people it works exactly the way you describe it. if the point is to try and use these taboo subjects to really get through to people and hammer the point you're trying to make deep into their beings, it might very well work for some, but you're going to cause a split in your audience. and the split is probably going to be on the basis of demographics. and as unpredictable as the outcome will be when you start going there, it seems to me that this is a predictable effect. some will be taken in by it, and some will be taken out of the narrative and back into the real world where these things are real. the question is whether you're willing to have that happen.Fffft, I'm trying to figure out if any of us actually disagree here, or if this is just a sufficiently complicated/unpleasant topic that you can get lost along the way. I'm not entirely sure we're talking about the same things anymore.
Fffft, I'm trying to figure out if any of us actually disagree here, or if this is just a sufficiently complicated/unpleasant topic that you can get lost along the way. I'm not entirely sure we're talking about the same things anymore.this is not a very easy discussion to have. it's definitely easy to get lost in the wake and that's something everyone should be careful of. I never thought or wanted to imply that you're A HORRIBLE PERSON. I've known you for a long time, and with the benefit of hindsight I think I sort of knew how you feel about this by looking at jokes you've in the past (like PUNCHE/KICKE A HOMOSEXUAL DOWN THE STAIRWELL). I'll respond to the rest of your post later but I just wanted to drop this note first.
the problem even with the borat joke and rape jokes in general is that they don't exist in a vacuum. they exist in the context where rape is still a very real thing and in a society where rape victims continue to fight a horrible uphill battle the entire rest of their lives simply for being victims. maybe borat or some other comedian can make a clever observation about it, but for every 5 people in the audience that're smart enough to get it, there are 50 other buffoons who think their horrible views are being validated and they go on to perpetuate rape culture (or racism or homophobia or w/e the taboo joke is). it seems to me like comedians are quick to defend themselves and hold up their freedom to make jokes as a sacrilege, but all the while completely ignoring any kind of unintended blowback that's a direct consequence of their actions. like the issue isn't as simple as comedians make it out to be.Yeah, I don't fundamentally disagree with this, but I've always had trouble fully compromising my own beliefs with lowest common denominator theory. The fact that there is potentially an awful person out there who will misinterpret something does not, to me, invalidate the reality of the work's aims and intention. In my view, any sort of artistic endeavor loses its traction if you feel the need to avoid topics you can otherwise handle maturely, simply to protect foolish people who do not possess a clear enough of a mind to see it for what it is. It's definitely a real concern, particularly in other forms and mediums, but I don't think the ultimate weight of this fear should override the value of creative vision in most cases*.
The fact that there is potentially an awful person out there who will misinterpret something does not, to me, invalidate the reality of the work's aims and intentionyeah i understand this, but once the situation crosses a line from just 'someone misinterpreting something' into 'someone potentially coming into harm and/or someone using it to contribute to a culture of oppression', then that kind of changes things.
yeah i understand this, but once the situation crosses a line from just 'someone misinterpreting something' into 'someone potentially coming into harm and/or someone using it to contribute to a culture of oppression', then that kind of changes things.We'll talk about this sometime. I'm convinced there are ways to do this rather well without really having to compromise. It's not like you need to walk very far to get away from the obsessive murder culture of the rest of the industry.
but yeah, on a purely philosophical level i totally get what you're saying. still though, i guess i'm just not a young idealist anymore. like i personally don't have any problems compromising a small bit of my artistic integrity if i feel that it is for a greater good. maybe this is a shitty thing to say, but we live in a shitty world and my stupid art having the freedom to say whatever it wants is a luxury that isn't all that important when there are far more real horrors out there.
i won't draw any lines in the sand for anyone else though. i'm only speaking for myself. i have no idea what all comedians or what society in general should do. maybe handle certain situations with the respect and sensitivity it requires and not be like carlin and apply some laissez-faire free market logic to fucking joke's of all things. idk.
I'm not entirely talking about whether or not the humor works, I guess I'm trying to figure out internally how much the actual intent or focus of the performance or humor actually matters. Like I see the two videos from Louis C.K. and Carlin and, maybe out of some pure comedic naivete I have, see them as actually not being a slight on women, or black people, or, homosexuals, or rape victims, but more being a commentary on language(specifically the idea of a cultural language), where that is what's being criticized, not anybody's personal status or worth. Sure, both of these reached their points in awful ways, and I don't fault someone for taking exception to these specific examples, since they are both equally clumsy to the point where I feel like no worthwhile point is reached, but is there no line when it comes to topics like this? If the topic is reached, it becomes unacceptable? That's the question I'm trying to answer here.
I may be misunderstanding the viewpoints here, or we're effectively talking about different things, but what I have assumed people were asserting here is that certain potential topics in humor do not have the capacity to be funny without automatically being reprehensibly offensive. Period. Even if the topic isn't exactly the butt of the joke, or the area of concern being satirized. Is this the point you folks are making?Well, I don't think anything is de jure off-limits. But it's not easy. So if we take jokes about rape, for example, it becomes problematic as soon as the severity of the subject matter is trivialized (which is virtually all rape jokes ever made). But it's not impossible to make humor that underscores the severity of the problem instead, such as this bit by Wanda Sykes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FfFwtL91Q).
I guess the question is what we're even talking about here. I personally am OK with the way the Boltok the Rapist joke is structured and presented, even though I'm sure this pulled people out of the Borat narrative. It strikes me as sufficiently innocuous and generally unceremonious considering the Borat context of literally everything about his cultural backstory being something we are OBVIOUSLY NOT supposed to rally behind.Like you mentioned, even if it's effective at underscoring the severity and ubiquity of rape, it might have taken people out of the narrative. That in and of itself is something to keep in mind. And by saying that, I don't mean to draw the conclusion that this sort of thing is entirely off-limits. The use of humor might very well be a good way for women to raise awareness about just how deep the problem is, like Wanda Sykes' bit attempts to do. But I do think you have to ask yourself if you're capable of putting such a message out there, and also if you're the right person to be doing such a thing and in this manner. Aside from prison rape, it's almost entirely an issue of female emancipation, and that means women are the ones who should coordinate efforts to raise awareness and fight back; after all, they are the ones affected by it. They are the ones who have to deal with it if something you say ends up contributing to society's deeply ingrained apathy towards rape. You're the one in the car, they are the ones on the crosswalk.
As far as I'm concerned comedians can go to these awful places, as long as they're not trying to make light of the plight of the victims, which I feel is the case in something like this.That's essentially what I said as well, but I think I might be more careful about it than you. Actually, although I'm not a comedian or a writer or anything like that, I would never even attempt a joke of this kind even if I strongly believe it won't trivialize the matter, because of the aforementioned pitfalls. It's just not a risk I would ever take, even if, in theory, I would be OK with a joke that contributes to a better understanding of the issue.
i am also generally of the opinion that one's own experiences and genetics do not necessarily give people more or less of a right to talk about certain things or use certain words. (key word: necessarily. because in cases of "reclaiming slurs", for example, obviously an individual's traits do matter to an extent. but this is another tricky and complicated subject) (and also obviously people should not speak for others whose experiences are different, e.g. a straight white male saying that lesbian women aren't reeeaaally affected by the word "dyke" because "they use it to describe themselves!!", etc. (but basically i'm just saying that people should not ASSUME about others' "claims" to certain words or topics))I think you said it pretty well when you mentioned that one cannot speak for others. you have to be vocal about things that affect you and defer to others for things that affect them. so for example, it is quite possible for a guy to know a great deal about feminism and contribute lively to serving its cause, and indeed I know a bunch of people who are, but they have to realize that this is an issue of female emancipation. so I don't think it is legitimate for them to have much say in how the movement operates and how it goes about achieving its goals.
I'm not a fan of trigger warnings, leave that shit on cultural studies grad students' tumblrs about privilege theory and intersectionalitymanarchist.
I'm not a fan of trigger warnings, leave that shit on cultural studies grad students' tumblrs about privilege theory and intersectionality
"I'm not a fan of trigger warnings" says someone who doesn't need them.
lol like you know anything about me
Well, I think intent matters. But it's not an inexhaustible source. There are things that need to be taken into account—for example, if you're driving at 100 mph through the inner city and you end up killing someone who's crossing the street, you certainly did not intend to kill that person, but you did accept that such a thing could realistically be a consequence of your actions. Essentially, you cannot reasonably make the case that the possibility of such a thing happening never occurred to you. I think it's the same with comedians crossing into dark topics like rape, slurs, et cetera: you can drive at 100 mph through the inner city, and you might even reach your destination without any entrails getting stuck in your window washer, but it's a pretty big risk that you're taking, at the potential cost of people other than yourself, even if your intention is simply to be a wonderful person.This, again, raises a lot of questions. At this point we're not even talking about works that are deliberately incendiary, but works that do so unintentionally. In such a scenario, how accountable is the artist for the END USER'S RESPONSE, when it was very clearly NOT the artist's intention to cause the response that the user had.
You can make a pretty good case that this risk is unacceptable, and that any reasonable person should make the personal decision to avoid it for that reason.Sure, you can make a good case, but not everyone is going to agree with this relative to their perception of the function of art. I would rather see a world filled with mildly-offended people than one with saccharine, offense-free art. Sometimes creative expression needs to be upsetting or offensive, and while I wholeheartedly agree with someone wishing to be cautious on these grounds, I simply do not have respect for a creative person who would avoid these risks on principle, when their works would call for them to otherwise take them there. Not to say I think they shouldn't be careful when they get there, but avoiding it all together is not a solution I would ever personally advocate.
Even then it could be a bad thing to do because it might trigger an episode for someone who's suffering from post-traumatic stress from having been raped or sexually abused in some fashion. And a pretty decent amount of women have been. The question then becomes if it's worth going out of your way to take that into account.No. There are a wide variety of subjects that could provoke post-traumatic stress reactions in the audience. It's nearly impossible to make a mature work of creativity that accounts for every potential concept that could trigger such a negative reaction. The suggestion of cancer, just to name an example, is a subject that could be devastating to the wrong viewer at the wrong time. Akira Kurosawa was likely aware of this when he made Ikiru, but he elected to make it anyway, and it's as beautiful a film as could ever possibly exist. One oughtn't seek the life of a creative person if these obstacles are of concern to them.
You certainly would never intend for anyone to be taken out of their escapist entertainment and back into a deeply anxious and stressful situation, but if that is the result of your actions, the fact that you did not intend for it to happen makes little difference.You're possibly talking to the wrong person here, as I personally see art less as an escape and more of a method of seeing the world through different eyes and better understanding it. For the most part, I think it's the responsibility of the individual to intelligently examine what it is they're about to use as their escape, and try to understand if this is something that would confront issues that they themselves are not prepared to confront. There's A LOT of really mindless, inoffensive stuff out there, and many easy methods to identify the content of works in question. I don't have a great deal of sympathy for people who wander in the wrong direction, find themselves upset by something a little bit more frank. If it is a personal necessity for someone to avoid anxious and stressful creative performances, and to use creative entertainments as an escape, it is medically negligent on their part to not do research beforehand.
This, again, raises a lot of questions. At this point we're not even talking about works that are deliberately incendiary, but works that do so unintentionally. In such a scenario, how accountable is the artist for the END USER'S RESPONSE, when it was very clearly NOT the artist's intention to cause the response that the user had.Just to keep us on the right track here right from the onset: someone driving through the inner city at 100mph clearly bears responsibility for any deaths he causes even if he does not intend them. It would certainly make a difference in his court case if he claimed that he fully intended to kill people, but even without that intention he'll still be held responsible. It's the same with a subject such as rape. If you're gonna go there, you can be the most wonderful guy in the world, and you're still going to end up most likely having an undesirable effect. At that point you can shrug your shoulders and say "well, whatever, I didn't mean it to come across that bad", but you certainly would have been aware of how loaded a subject is. You chose to enter that subject regardless of the obvious risks.
An outstanding example is the Werner Herzog film Stroszek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroszek). Most people agree that this is one of the best films of the 1970s, a really heart-wrenching piece about alienation, and how people just can't find a place in society. That's all nice, but it's a well-known fact that singer Ian Curtis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Curtis) from the band Joy Division watched this movie shortly before committing suicide. Considering Stroszek ends with the main character committing suicide, it doesn't take much consideration to identify a connection here.Here we're sort of losing the point, and this is far from a literal example of what I said because this is outside of my intended scope. I am not arguing that literally everything that could be considered negative in any fashion should be off-limits. That's actually one of the most common misconceptions whenever an issue like this is raised, so when the Penny Arcade comic made a pretty distasteful rape joke and they were called out over it, they shot back by saying "but we also did comics about murder!"
While I do not completely disagree with what you're trying to say here, and feel that an artist ought to be careful and considerate with their works, and invest due consideration in what may come from their creation, I have difficulty being completely sympathetic with people who misinterpret works that far beyond the intent and presentation of the creator.If your joke ends up trivializing rape against your intentions, I don't think you can simply blame the audience and be done with it, particularly if you're a man, because this problem mostly affects women. So essentially even if you screw up, you won't live the consequences. And it's obvious that these kinds of jokes are virtually always destructive, because literally everywhere you look you find bad examples. You really have to dig very deep to find examples of them being done correctly and then also interpreted correctly, and I don't even think the Wanda Sykes bit is a particularly good example. Again, these are things you know before you start.
Sure, you can make a good case, but not everyone is going to agree with this relative to their perception of the function of art. I would rather see a world filled with mildly-offended people than one with saccharine, offense-free art.Do you still believe that even given the knowledge that I wasn't talking about literally every mildly negative fact of life, but about specific and deeply unjust forms of oppression that are perpetrated by society?
No. There are a wide variety of subjects that could provoke post-traumatic stress reactions in the audience. It's nearly impossible to make a mature work of creativity that accounts for every potential concept that could trigger such a negative reaction. The suggestion of cancer, just to name an example, is a subject that could be devastating to the wrong viewer at the wrong time.I think this is again a false equivalence. Cancer doesn't cause PTSD except maybe in the rarest case. Even if we take something that does, like serving in Vietnam, that's still not a form of condoned societal oppression like racism or misogyny that has the capability to get worse based on how people deal with it.
I should mention, however, that I'm answering this question independent of RAPE, on the broad level as to whether or not an individual ought to take into account the possibility a viewer has a preexisting condition going into the work. On a literal level, I do do believe that rape is one of those areas where individuals need to be extraordinarily careful, to the point where I think most people probably aren't serious enough with creative expression to even go into it. So, in essence, my answer actually is YES, mainly because I think it is extraordinarily difficult to present rape tastefully and informatively, though I say this also for the reasons of artistic integrity and basic human decency, not specifically because of the impact it could have on people with painful experience in this area.Yeah, I don't think I was being entirely obvious when I wrote my last post. I was talking very specifically about rape and slurs. Not about cancer, or war, or murder, or violence, or suicide, or anything like any of those things. Those are inherently different things, and you're right that if we start making those off-limits, there's no end in sight. But that's not what I was talking about, or what anyone in society requests of their writers and comedians.
I'm not really sure what you're still reaching for in this subject, but I've more or less exhausted my interest in exploring it any further here, considering I've explained my stance that I believe these lines of acceptability in expression are too vague and subjective to be meaningful outside of a case-by-case examination.
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I feel this way about rape, just as I do about murder, or racism, or suicide, or really any sort of relevant social issue.
If you do choose to enter the subject of rape, you ought to fully realize how loaded the subject is, how people might react to it, and—crucially—that you're likely to do it in a counterproductive manner.Thanks for the tip. This was totally not what I said in my completely irrelevant post:
On a literal level, I do do believe that rape is one of those areas where individuals need to be extraordinarily careful, to the point where I think most people probably aren't serious enough with creative expression to even go into it. So, in essence, my answer actually is YES, mainly because I think it is extraordinarily difficult to present rape tastefully and informatively, though I say this also for the reasons of artistic integrity and basic human decency, not specifically because of the impact it could have on people with painful experience in this area.Apologies if I've reached a similar conclusion for slightly different reasons, but I don't specifically feel weighed down by the mild distinctions here.
the world is too irredeemable for me to muster up a whole lot of enthusiasm on these sorts of minor subjects.should have just left it at that, as i didn't seriously expect to, or even really WANT TO persuade anyone to this way of thinking.
Also now I've lost what I tried to quote about Chef and his minecraft antics. That was cool. He built McDonalds signs everywhere and giant donald ducks iirc - but I wouldn't really consider the characters chef made to be trolling. Like BarneyRubble95 or the dude with the fursona of a turkey. It's just interesting characters and there wasn't really any level of malicious intent?
Basically I used the Foobear skin....thanks to lassekongo83 :-) for this awesome skin.
i seem to remember looking up y2dazz at some point and finding out he's normal now or somethin but hopefully i'm remembering that wrong b/c surely not
was it y2dazz who wrote that script for terminator 4 and had an in with a producer or something and it was definitely going to get made??considering how terminator 4 actually turned out i'm convinced y2dazz did write the screenplay.
mori why don't you return my calls
them hipster oldbies..
my phone doesnt receive phone calls from g*y people sorry.ps we don't do this whole "gay is a bad thing" thing anymore around here, even jokingly, tnx
face down ass upstill true
Indeed you did, sticking around UPRC?
f anyone is curious how to spot a classy member just compared what happened when we told Shep not to say dumb shit, and Moriason (on the last page). Mori is just like "oh sorry guys I didn't mean anything by it I won't do it again", and Shep was pages and pages of dumb drama.
I guess he recently went to some metal festival with some of his gw friends. No idea if any of you were one of them.i missed the festival, but i saw him after for a short while on an impromptu visit. he was pretty full of contempt for the lack of [REDACTED] at the festival, but nothing a couple beers at a nearby pub couldn't fix.
Hey Belross!
I was wondering what happened to the Old GW. Joined back in 2001.
Hello.
Hey Belross!
I was wondering what happened to the Old GW. Joined back in 2001.
Hello.
Hey Erave! I totally remember you!
Erave it is up to you to repopulate GW with your progeny, better get busy.Will do!
Haha yeah I saw that. I love that when he gets to my part he's all "fuck this bullshit fuuuuck". That was ten years ago man. Maaaaaan.Quote from: BelErave it is up to you to repopulate GW with your progeny, better get busy.Will do!
Btw, I stumbled upon this gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJRm3aZ3ak]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJRm3aZ3ak (http://[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJRm3aZ3ak%5Dhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJRm3aZ3ak)[/url]
It's a "Let's Play" of the original Chain Game. Holy Nostalgia.
I watch the whole thing to get to my part to see that half of it was skipped and not recorded. Fun regardless. This is like reading notes you wrote your future self in 3rd grade. Absolutely did not remember any of this and actually had forgotten I was a part of this.Haha yeah I saw that. I love that when he gets to my part he's all "fuck this bullshit fuuuuck". That was ten years ago man. Maaaaaan.Erave it is up to you to repopulate GW with your progeny, better get busy.Will do!
Btw, I stumbled upon this gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJRm3aZ3ak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJRm3aZ3ak)
It's a "Let's Play" of the original Chain Game. Holy Nostalgia.
anyone remember skytower?
dang I feel old.
anyone remember skytower?
dang I feel old.
I do :goose:
Is this GW's final form?!The prodigal son returns...
I can't believe this forum is still up. Certainly spent a lot of time on here back in the day... ahh the teenage years. Glad to see some other oldbies still posting. Are DS/Rami still around? Anyone still play Soldat?
Is this GW's final form?!The prodigal son returns...
I can't believe this forum is still up. Certainly spent a lot of time on here back in the day... ahh the teenage years. Glad to see some other oldbies still posting. Are DS/Rami still around? Anyone still play Soldat?
Just letting you guys know that I have an almost 4 month old boy now. I'm that old. :foget:
whats up gw??
http://impeal.leafo.net/images/ (http://impeal.leafo.net/images/)
Just letting you guys know that I have an almost 4 month old boy now. I'm that old. :foget:
Is it weird that I still sometimes say "shittabear" irl?A little, but rarely I still use foget as an insult (to myself, wife, or friends from highschool who remember me saying weird stuff from the internets).
Yeah man, some people make games and SELL them too!I only have To the Moon and only because it was included in a bundle.
As a side note, anyone bought any of the Rpgmaker games being sold on Steam? I've bought all of them, just need to find time to play them haha.
Yeah man, some people make games and SELL them too!
As a side note, anyone bought any of the Rpgmaker games being sold on Steam? I've bought all of them, just need to find time to play them haha.
It would change everything if they simply let users put their own RPG Maker downloadable content up for sale instead of just the games. It'd add variety, give incentive to produce MORE non-rtp content, and people would be far more discerning about the level of quality and value they are actually getting out of their DLC purchases.I remember there was this pretty awesome site that let you make your own chipsets. It gave options for faces, clothes, hats, etc.
People paying actual money to have MORE rtp graphics? These are truly, truly sad times we are living in.
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(hey guys)
Is there a reason a lot of the old GW members are coming back, or have we never left and just decided now to show ourselves again?Shit Man, this place contained a nice big chunk of my life back in my early teens; I drop by for a yearly visit to salute.
do we still have ircI'm nu salt but I can direct you where you want to go:
huh i thought i tried thatdo we still have ircI'm nu salt but I can direct you where you want to go:
irc://irc.esper.net/saltw (http://)
Is there a reason a lot of the old GW members are coming back, or have we never left and just decided now to show ourselves again?I still haven't actually left. I poke around on this forum every few weeks to see if there's an update for A Blurred Line 2. After ten years, still nothing.
Lisander where are youIs there a reason a lot of the old GW members are coming back, or have we never left and just decided now to show ourselves again?I still haven't actually left. I poke around on this forum every few weeks to see if there's an update for A Blurred Line 2. After ten years, still nothing.
GW also helped me break away from my teenage music tastes (Would I have discovered Jazz if not for someone uploading Bitches Brew in the premium section??? I think not! Here was one of the places where I first heard Zappa, my love of whom is all consuming.)
If it wasn't for GW members I probably would have been a snob when it came to music for the rest of my life. I used to be this introverted kid who thought any music other than oldies and jazz was "music the ruffian kids listened to." Then DarkPriest would smack us in the face with some of his symphonic metal tastes and I'm all like, "I kinda dig this."Symphonic metal was fucking badass, I still listen to that, I also like bands/groups like tool, vast, vnv nation and some other bands I can't remember the name of.
If it wasn't for GW members I probably would have been a snob when it came to music for the rest of my life. I used to be this introverted kid who thought any music other than oldies and jazz was "music the ruffian kids listened to." Then DarkPriest would smack us in the face with some of his symphonic metal tastes and I'm all like, "I kinda dig this."Symphonic metal was fucking badass, I still listen to that, I also like bands/groups like tool, vast, vnv nation and some other bands I can't remember the name of.
also, ice points? I don't remember that.
i think -20,000 ice points is equivalent to one bitcoinThank goodness, I was secretly hoping I had less than zero icepoints, but they were probably regained away from me in that huge Bitcoin heist though. Never really bothered to check.
because if you have a bitcoin you lose that many ice points
I never really visited it so I dunno if that's how the community is, but rpgmaker.net is still around. I remember a barkley 2 thread or something there where a lot of old names like Ciel and Impeal or whatever were posting and they were all being snarky and aggressive like it was still 2006. going by the front page it seems like the dream lives on
you really have to work it to get offended by those, tho it's rm2k permanent teenagers, whadya know...I never really visited it so I dunno if that's how the community is, but rpgmaker.net is still around. I remember a barkley 2 thread or something there where a lot of old names like Ciel and Impeal or whatever were posting and they were all being snarky and aggressive like it was still 2006. going by the front page it seems like the dream lives on
i dunno how anyone could hate on Barkley 2 or ToG
soldats great but nobody around here no moreI'm not trying to play again and gather people, but just figured someone will respond eventually, as you did!
hi!you really have to work it to get offended by those, tho it's rm2k permanent teenagers, whadya know...I never really visited it so I dunno if that's how the community is, but rpgmaker.net is still around. I remember a barkley 2 thread or something there where a lot of old names like Ciel and Impeal or whatever were posting and they were all being snarky and aggressive like it was still 2006. going by the front page it seems like the dream lives on
i dunno how anyone could hate on Barkley 2 or ToG
how are you anyways DietC!!! thrice the time or charm etc, like what's the headsup of D-C's life...
It's great to see you again, it's been so long. How does it feel to have a princess movie made about your life?
Are there actually places like GW classic around? like people earnestly wanting to make 200 hour RPGs in RPGmaker with fully symphonic scores and voiced dialogue and epic stories and then getting 2 screens into it while people beg for updates
Yes, the movie is about a queen. The movie's protagonist is her younger sister, which still makes it a princess movie.
You wouldn't be arguing this about Beauty and the Beast not being a princess movie because the Beast isn't a princess. Hell, Belle wasn't even technically a princess until like, the very last five minutes. Don't go talkin' smack to folks about things you are so clearly ignorant about. (furthermore, don't try and know more about princess movies and throw around the "bitch" slur in the same sentence, bitch)
I don't know why, but I clicked on the GW Forums link I still had bookmarked just now, and decided I should post here for old time's sake. I don't think I'll ever delete the bookmark. GW was an important part of my younger years and I still feel like you guys are part of my extended family. I hope everyone's life is going great!
I don't know why, but I clicked on the GW Forums link I still had bookmarked just now, and decided I should post here for old time's sake. I don't think I'll ever delete the bookmark. GW was an important part of my younger years and I still feel like you guys are part of my extended family. I hope everyone's life is going great!Exactly how I feel.
whoa, shiiieeett, you mean like LEGIT/seriously sick or just temporary stuff? cos that either way sucks balls but the other ball has hairs/is worse ofc. i've been using that "easing into workforce" term alot, it's become part of me (what a good choice of words)...street lang of D-C, the backbone of gw hood... well. that's what i'm really aiming as well, trying to get an intership and after that Ease Into Workforce hopefully smoothly.well, he died last month so that's been really rough. i did get a job though & am back to working for a living again... that's kinda rough too come to think of it
WhereAt Survivor Sucks. He used to post a lot in the Speculation forum. I think I got MDN addicted to reality tv back when I was organizing the Making the Cut games, and he's been on the SS forums ever since, watching Survivor and analyzing players' edits.
what's bart up to?
WhaaaatWhereAt Survivor Sucks. He used to post a lot in the Speculation forum. I think I got MDN addicted to reality tv back when I was organizing the Making the Cut games, and he's been on the SS forums ever since, watching Survivor and analyzing players' edits.
helloHmm, why not! You can start by... how about... wiping my boots clean *smiles smugly*
something about this place is stuck in my bones
if it is okay by you i would like to try and make amends for my transgressions
So, where did everyone end up in life? Are any GWers now fathers, husbands, or forever aloners? I think most of us are either in our mid or late 20s now. What kind of jobs have people landed? We need updates.Mateui! Your life sounds kind of like mine. I'm 28 now, just got out of the US Army after five years due to an illness (I'm not dying, but I'm not well). I'm still single with no prospects for someone else. I just moved back home and got my own apartment and a cat. I'm also trying to grow a beard, but I keep forgetting to not shave.
As for me, I'm managing a pharmacy now. I've been a pharmacist since 2010. Moved to New Brunswick for one year in 2011 and then moved back to Nova Scotia. No significant other. Always thought I'd be married by 28, but I'm 27 now and that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. I've almost accepted that I'm going to be alone the rest of my life. Certainly not against the idea of a wife and kids but if it never happens I guess I can live with that. I've always been a solitary kind of dude anyway who never really socialized much out in the real world. But I do have two great cats and finally managed to grow a decent beard; can't complain about that! Gotta look on the bright side of life.
this is the topic of crushed dreamsLet us sew our taints together
So, where did everyone end up in life? Are any GWers now fathers, husbands, or forever aloners? I think most of us are either in our mid or late 20s now. What kind of jobs have people landed? We need updates.
As for me, I'm managing a pharmacy now. I've been a pharmacist since 2010. Moved to New Brunswick for one year in 2011 and then moved back to Nova Scotia. No significant other. Always thought I'd be married by 28, but I'm 27 now and that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. I've almost accepted that I'm going to be alone the rest of my life. Certainly not against the idea of a wife and kids but if it never happens I guess I can live with that. I've always been a solitary kind of dude anyway who never really socialized much out in the real world. But I do have two great cats and finally managed to grow a decent beard; can't complain about that! Gotta look on the bright side of life.
I recall there was a lady at a rival gw site, who was.... Well a lot of Internet drama happened and Internet drama is the best kind of drama. She had a kid, a teenager I think who used to post on the same sites she moderated. I recall thinking it was weird. But anyway we're almost at that age where an old gwer could have had a kid, and the kid could develop a love of making games and stumble apon this forum. I dunno man, that freaks me out. Then of course the kid finds his parent's old handle, looks up the post history and finds out what a complete retard his parent was when they were younger, loses all respect for them, is forever on his parents case "hey man, what happened to you? You dreamed of making videogames and look at you now, fucking look at you! You work an office job, working for the man, you disgust me." Wish I kept up with it, wished I got medication for ADD sooner, wish I didn't hate sprinting so fucking much, Jesus fuck it's so annoying.You're thinking of wishmoo and gaming ground zero
anyone know of any jobsno
jk now there are a ton more jobs than there were. in the future I hope I can get a job in a cool city that close to where I grew up.anyone know of any jobsno
Dream about making a game in Game Maker, but looks like it won't happen.I did this thing twice. I consider them both successes but neither were received. Marketing remains my biggest folly. I am working on a third but neither drunkenness nor soberness inspires much in the way of motivation for me, outside a base motivation I have managed to cultivate for stringing videos together.
So, where did everyone end up in life? Are any GWers now fathers, husbands, or forever aloners? I think most of us are either in our mid or late 20s now. What kind of jobs have people landed? We need updates.
As for me, I'm managing a pharmacy now. I've been a pharmacist since 2010. Moved to New Brunswick for one year in 2011 and then moved back to Nova Scotia. No significant other. Always thought I'd be married by 28, but I'm 27 now and that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. I've almost accepted that I'm going to be alone the rest of my life. Certainly not against the idea of a wife and kids but if it never happens I guess I can live with that. I've always been a solitary kind of dude anyway who never really socialized much out in the real world. But I do have two great cats and finally managed to grow a decent beard; can't complain about that! Gotta look on the bright side of life.
that shit sucks, man. it sounds really rough. I came closer than ever to suicide early this year, so I'm familiar with that feeling.
im currently nowhere
my mother started drinking a few years ago and ive failed my first year of university three times trying to juggle taking care of her kids, taking her drunken abuse and doing a degree. a few months ago she got clean and now im just a 22 year old NEET whos £9000 in debt. im so fucking done with life i feel like im just sitting here waiting for a relapse. i'd kill myself but i can't inflict that pain on my siblings so i just sit here playing videogames and being a worthless human being.
sorry to darken the thread or something
im currently nowhere
my mother started drinking a few years ago and ive failed my first year of university three times trying to juggle taking care of her kids, taking her drunken abuse and doing a degree. a few months ago she got clean and now im just a 22 year old NEET whos £9000 in debt. im so fucking done with life i feel like im just sitting here waiting for a relapse. i'd kill myself but i can't inflict that pain on my siblings so i just sit here playing videogames and being a worthless human being.
sorry to darken the thread or something
So, where did everyone end up in life? Are any GWers now fathers, husbands, or forever aloners? I think most of us are either in our mid or late 20s now. What kind of jobs have people landed? We need updates.
As for me, I'm managing a pharmacy now. I've been a pharmacist since 2010. Moved to New Brunswick for one year in 2011 and then moved back to Nova Scotia. No significant other. Always thought I'd be married by 28, but I'm 27 now and that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. I've almost accepted that I'm going to be alone the rest of my life. Certainly not against the idea of a wife and kids but if it never happens I guess I can live with that. I've always been a solitary kind of dude anyway who never really socialized much out in the real world. But I do have two great cats and finally managed to grow a decent beard; can't complain about that! Gotta look on the bright side of life.
i came out of the closet for moriason but what s the point he doesn't return my calls
QuoteSo, where did everyone end up in life? Are any GWers now fathers, husbands, or forever aloners? I think most of us are either in our mid or late 20s now. What kind of jobs have people landed? We need updates.
As for me, I'm managing a pharmacy now. I've been a pharmacist since 2010. Moved to New Brunswick for one year in 2011 and then moved back to Nova Scotia. No significant other. Always thought I'd be married by 28, but I'm 27 now and that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. I've almost accepted that I'm going to be alone the rest of my life. Certainly not against the idea of a wife and kids but if it never happens I guess I can live with that. I've always been a solitary kind of dude anyway who never really socialized much out in the real world. But I do have two great cats and finally managed to grow a decent beard; can't complain about that! Gotta look on the bright side of life.
Turned 25 this year. Been working on software development for a few years now, but not in games. I gave up on wanting to make games professionally because it seems like it'd suck all the fun out of it, so instead I just slowly work on small games on the side. Things have been good overall, except on the social end which I've been lazy about and generally pretty awful at. I think I have hermit tendencies, just feels more comfortable.what's your salary and average work week in hours?
Turned 25 this year. Been working on software development for a few years now, but not in games. I gave up on wanting to make games professionally because it seems like it'd suck all the fun out of it, so instead I just slowly work on small games on the side. Things have been good overall, except on the social end which I've been lazy about and generally pretty awful at. I think I have hermit tendencies, just feels more comfortable.A tear comes to my eye whenever I see the original webpage, such great memories. Alas we are only a forum now, the great gamingw website exists now only in screenshots and in the Wayback Machine. I wish that one day I'd type in www.gamingw.net in the address bar and this page would come back in all of it's glory, complete with all the resources and games it once hosted.
Came back here just now since I was looking at old images on my computer and saw this:
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/i.imgur.com/COLbmcc.png)
Back when I was rocking an 800x600 resolution.
Edit: I have this striking feeling like I posted this the last time I stopped by.
I'm a nuclear power controls engineer right now, and I'm not the biggest fan of my job but the money is really good. Been putting in a bunch of overtime to save up for grad school, I want to get in to a PhD program and go in to academia or R&D.sweet, sounds like you caught your break. I'm glad even tho you're an internet person. I'd love to go the academia route as well, but at this point I don't think I'll ever feel financially secure enough to do that. Guess I'm still considering it though!
I showed up here today out of boredness and curiosity like I normally do once or twice a year, and it turns out that yesterday was my 13th anniversary here. =\ Damn.13 years huh? Damn that is a long time - I guess I'm about 12 myself.
So I may have already been here and posted about what I do now but I have a shitty fucking memory due to worsening epilepsy. It sucks.
Anyway - I'm 25 and up until a month and a half ago I worked for USPS; first as a clerk/sorter and most recently managing a small rural post office on the outskirts of town. I've recently been placed on administative medical leave because of my seizures getting so bad to the point where I can't safely work alone...so I'm just kind of hanging out doing whatever I want while we try to get my medical situation taken care of and hopefully I will retain my same position once I go back......
Other than that, I've got no debt, no kids, a cool girlfriend who doubles as my caretaker, looking at buying a house....I'm pretty content with how things turned out. Except the epilepsy. Fuck epilepsy.
I joined this site 14 almost 15 years ago. It's awesome to see so many familiar names still hanging around.
I've become a brewmaster and helped open 3 local craft breweries. It's crazy how much that industry has taken off in the last 5 years, but I am very happy about it.
I joined this site 14 almost 15 years ago. It's awesome to see so many familiar names still hanging around.
I've become a brewmaster and helped open 3 local craft breweries. It's crazy how much that industry has taken off in the last 5 years, but I am very happy about it.
Was the word gaymer or something part of your old username?
Hey that's cool! Are you going to go the sound foley route, or the music production route? Good to see you by the way.
Dok martini died
yeah ct, he died on his way to work in his car i recall. u can ask drule, he sure remembers. :(QuoteDok martini died
What?
woooow, all digital?
I don't know much about mixing but I played around with a synth for awhile and it's not easy coming up with the shape of the sound.
I'm looking at your other stuff too, pretty sweet. This would be perfect dungeon ambience for my Shadowrun games. Oooh. I'll commission you for musics if I ever start my cyberpunky android mmo. Gotta keep in mind that everyone's android phone speakers will make everything sound tinny, but this would run the perfect vibe.
Do you do creative commons stuff too?
Been with GW for 12 years which is half of my life! 25 now. Initially joined GW for game development stuff but got involved with the Soldat sub community here so only soldat players would probably really know who I am. Currently going to college to become a network admin, figured I'd get sick of playing video games if I were to ever go into that field.
What the fuck is this place that keeps drawing us back?
Edit: also why is my actual birthdate even here howcouldibethisdumb. My. God. Looking at these posts. I was an asshole!
Hey does mkk still post? How about velfarre. What happened to Mr.D? Doktormartini?
I don't even remember what any of you ever said. I remember hating Velfarre's guts. And Mr D being a badass. And mkk being generally our Lord and Savior and mostly our mascot. And doc being doc.
Does anyone remember Steel?
Been with GW for 12 years which is half of my life! 25 now. Initially joined GW for game development stuff but got involved with the Soldat sub community here so only soldat players would probably really know who I am. Currently going to college to become a network admin, figured I'd get sick of playing video games if I were to ever go into that field.
Ahhhhhhh Myst!!! Soldat!!!
I agree. I am amazed that soldat didnt re-explode with Steam honestlyBeen with GW for 12 years which is half of my life! 25 now. Initially joined GW for game development stuff but got involved with the Soldat sub community here so only soldat players would probably really know who I am. Currently going to college to become a network admin, figured I'd get sick of playing video games if I were to ever go into that field.
Ahhhhhhh Myst!!! Soldat!!!
I'm surprised Soldat isn't some big game on Steam these days or something. Soldat was an amazing game.
Been with GW for 12 years which is half of my life! 25 now. Initially joined GW for game development stuff but got involved with the Soldat sub community here so only soldat players would probably really know who I am. Currently going to college to become a network admin, figured I'd get sick of playing video games if I were to ever go into that field.SIXTY
Man I forget about this site and then something comes along and reminds me of it, in this case it was GamesMasterJasper, Semper Games! btw, people are still going on about that videom 8 years old and still going on, tis awesome.
unfortunately, a certain amount of it is bad memories of doing disgusting shit to peopleI do that too, with everything. I remember calling a kid a name in 2nd grade because I thought he was being mean to me but he wasn't, and I still feel bad about it. I wonder why that stuff pops up.
I just found a bunch of chefs videos,I miss chef and climbtree.
Bart the General 3.flv
fred murderstone.flv
ganja farmer.flv
hommer.flv
revenge weed lord 3.flv
And some things by others too. From back when youtube videos were FLV files.
Flashbacks.
I am very old member, called Kazeuri. Sorry I can't login to my account, maybe I forgot the password or somebody else was posing as me for some time. :) I wish this place wasn't so dead, the forums and IRC seem VERY DEAD.
there's still an irc channel?irc.esper.net #saltw :)
I just found a bunch of chefs videos,put them on youtube
Bart the General 3.flv
fred murderstone.flv
ganja farmer.flv
hommer.flv
revenge weed lord 3.flv
And some things by others too. From back when youtube videos were FLV files.
Flashbacks.
I never really got along with him or liked him honestly. He always felt a bit too monkeycheese randomlol for me and only occasionally produced something I found interesting.tbh I think you misunderstood him, because back then there was such a thing as "randomness type humor", but his/ToG's humor was very different from it.
Yeah you're probably right.I never really got along with him or liked him honestly. He always felt a bit too monkeycheese randomlol for me and only occasionally produced something I found interesting.tbh I think you misunderstood him, because back then there was such a thing as "randomness type humor", but his/ToG's humor was very different from it.
Ok.That's a thought that pops up every now and then. To us young pups he was like this testy foreboding presence on the forums, better not step across his line in the sand on polls forum issues and video games alike or be viciously eviscerated...then it turns out he's this huge established figure in the world of goofy grotesque cartoon porn. I remember finding his stuff really bizarre - in terms of raw content, sure, but moreso it was the style in which these things were drawn that was memorably gut-wrenching
Anyway, couldn't find the VIDS on youtube, also not uploading them I guess.
Going through more old files, does anyone remember when we found out Jester was Blargsnarf?
I'm also nearly 30 that means I'm almost dead
No you don't. When you turn 29 you think "well, I'll just have to buckle down this year and achieve all my goals!" and in the back of your mind you know that isn't true, but you can cling to that delusion that you'll somehow fix all your problems until you're nearly 30.I'm also nearly 30 that means I'm almost dead
Fuck, I feel that, I'm 28, in 9 months I'm going to be 29 :(.
What a mind trip that musta been!! That is really, really funny.Well Jester seems to still be here since he did post in 2016 about a game he's playing . It's crazy since I didn't know, till 4 days ago.
I had a dream the other night that I was walking through the ruins of Gaming World, encountering souls of posters that never left.I showed my buds soldat last month and all of them asked why this isn't on steam, and then asked about playing it! haha
And this place is still here, figures.
Anybody down for some Soldat for old times sake?
Jester was a content admin at some point in time unsure of when it was though, but he was almost always a mod.What a mind trip that musta been!! That is really, really funny.Well Jester seems to still be here since he did post in 2016 about a game he's playing . It's crazy since I didn't know, till 4 days ago.
Well I'm glad he ok, since I always wounder what has become of some of the users of GW... like Bart(The man that made GW a thing.) is he still around and so on
You do know I already know that I just didn't know about his off site hobbies\now job.I had a dream the other night that I was walking through the ruins of Gaming World, encountering souls of posters that never left.I showed my buds soldat last month and all of them asked why this isn't on steam, and then asked about playing it! haha
And this place is still here, figures.
Anybody down for some Soldat for old times sake?
I miss the soldat, worms and Mame-lan fighters we all used to do. Anyone else remember Corel? kid artist made some wicked art and was good at fighters, introduced me to meltybread.
>Jester was a content admin at some point in time unsure of when it was though, but he was almost always a mod.What a mind trip that musta been!! That is really, really funny.Well Jester seems to still be here since he did post in 2016 about a game he's playing . It's crazy since I didn't know, till 4 days ago.
Well I'm glad he ok, since I always wounder what has become of some of the users of GW... like Bart(The man that made GW a thing.) is he still around and so on
Kind of funny I'm almost 30 in a ten more days :f5:. You know whats odd, I forget the guys name that share the same birthday on this this forum ... and I know, I should know it... I guesses this is what it's like to get old.ITS ME HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Edit: Also holy shit I didn't know Jester was Blargsnar, but to be fair I didn't even know the name Blargsnar at all.
Edit 2: I just remember who it was atari that shares the same day as me.
UH...Hey. I was the DELSABER!!! guy. Now I spend most of my time on Doom/ZDoom forums. I cannot believe that some people way back then are still around! Anyway, most likely time to go inactive again. BYE!DELSABER!!! ALASTOR!!!
The Q on my keyboqrd is broken so I use Qs insteqd of Qs.<3
Hi Guys :) I dunno who's here from the old days but I'm getting nostalgic again for the old RM95/RM2k days. Mostly used the username Android18a or Sephie but originally started on Don's Ezboard as Mrs Sephiroth VII.
I made a lot of "Newbie crap" as RPGAdvocate used to so delightfully say. I do miss the old guys, whether they be from Dons, GGZ or other sites. Would love to catch up with any of my old friends if you're still out there and anyone actually remembers :)
Also... 34 years old. What the actual F.
Wow this place is still going! I remember joining gamingw.net back in like 2003 I think? Cannot believe that was nearly 15 years ago.Were you the guy who ran replicantnet.co.uk or whatever it was called?
I tried accessing my old account, but no joy. If anyone remembers me, I used to have a Felix the cat avatar for so long. Pretty sure my username at one point was also just 'Dave'. I was developing websites from a young age, I was involved in open source software early on. Also contributed to gamingw.net's actual website too if I remember rightly.
Coming here sure brings back memories. :) I remember there being some real talented people in this community.
Hello everyone. Just checking in letting everyone know that I’m doing well. I’ve had quite a few life changes in the last few years. I realized I was raised in a cult so I left that, came out to myself and the rest of my family, moved out and got my own place, joined a support group for people from said cult, met a guy who I instantly clicked with, met him in person since we lived in different countries, decided to live together, got married, bought a house, settled in and now we have a kitten. Life is good, although it’s been years since I’ve touched Rm2k3... Oh well, what can you do?
Hello everyone. Just checking in letting everyone know that I’m doing well. I’ve had quite a few life changes in the last few years. I realized I was raised in a cult so I left that, came out to myself and the rest of my family, moved out and got my own place, joined a support group for people from said cult, met a guy who I instantly clicked with, met him in person since we lived in different countries, decided to live together, got married, bought a house, settled in and now we have a kitten. Life is good, although it’s been years since I’ve touched Rm2k3... Oh well, what can you do?
Not sure anyone would remember me, but seeing so many usernames I remember sure is a nostalgia trip.
GW was a massive part of my life as a teenager. Feels so strange to be posting again!
Glad everyone is doing well
Bi-annual check in like everyone else.Sup UG!
Is there a discord or hell even an IRC any of you are in nowadays?
I did find the discord, but yeah it's pretty much dead.Bi-annual check in like everyone else.Sup UG!
Is there a discord or hell even an IRC any of you are in nowadays?
Yes and yes albeit unsure of their activity?
I made a discord (w/ account i no longer access) and few hopped on it, DDay was admin too on there.
But Rami didnt like it divvying the already slim irc and from there i have no idea... i wish there was a livechat irc or discord for all you slugs <3
same, same.I did find the discord, but yeah it's pretty much dead.Sup UG!
Bi-annual check in like everyone else.
Is there a discord or hell even an IRC any of you are in nowadays?
Yes and yes albeit unsure of their activity?
I made a discord (w/ account i no longer access) and few hopped on it, DDay was admin too on there.
But Rami didnt like it divvying the already slim irc and from there i have no idea... i wish there was a livechat irc or discord for all you slugs <3
I kind of miss the age of posting on these forums and shooting the shit with everyone.
Anything in Berlin I ‘need’ to check out?
friends I want to join a Gaming World discord... where is it???
Fake news, there is no Sears at the Mall at Wellington Green. Nice try.
Omcifer is a name that just pops into my head sometimes tho. This is despite the fact that I don't think we've ever had any interaction in the past.
Then started wondering if the drug itself was kind of self promoting in order to spread. Like it was an ethereal sentience, like a virus trying to reproduce through the subconsciousness of it's hosts.I'm not big into psychedelics or any drugs so I don't know how common this is, but I had the same thought right at the cusp of the euphoric period of the trip before it turned to rapid ups and downs that were symbolic of being to me. I had just listened to a podcast where Pete Holmes was talking to Rainn Wilson (a friggin baha'i since birth as unlikely as that is, a religion I had just learned about a month earlier) about the theory that Yahweh/God is not some separate being but literally being itself, as symbolized by breath - Yah in, weh out. So that definitely played a part in the next part of the trip, where the rapid ups and downs were symbolic of our lives and more importantly the concept of being as symbolized by breath. I had the feeling I was outside time and could see my entire past and the possibilities of my future, and could dip in and out of whatever point in time I wanted. At one point I went back to being a child in my parents' old living room, went back to just a week before, etc. And then I 'figured out' that there is no real thing as good or bad or positive or negative, it's all one 'to be', and it's just how we interpret it that makes things good or bad. Which sober me doesn't like except in the sense of putting a positive spin on personal experiences bc there obviously are bad things when it comes to anything that can influence or effect others. This is all probably repulsively boring to read about but bear with me I guess
writingThis at least part personal bias, but I feel like nonfiction or semi-nonfiction would be the best use of your abilities, something like a collection of stories tied together by some interesting concept, which has been done before of course but I don't think it's necessarily tired if there's a fresh spin on it whcih I think would come easily to you, or just something else nonfiction or dipping in and out of fiction
Ive never heard of i-ching or the "timewave" theory until now, I'm not mathematically inclined intellectually but after reading about it it's a pretty awesome theory.I like McKenna, I've only ever listened to him sober in part because as I said, I'm just not a big drugs guy, they don't like me. he definitely had something going on but yeah, the stuff of importance gets diluted and hidden and he takes some wrong turns imo. There might be less with the I Ching than I had hoped, idk I still didn't digest or even consume it fully but it seems like another thing that was sort of teetering on the edge of some deep truth and then got a lot of superfluous junk dumped on top and maybe inextricably mixed in
It reminds me of the Dogon tribesmen and Sirius, star patterns they shouldn't have known about.
I got into McKenna reading about "machine elves", I like him he's awesome but I can only read his later writings in limited stints. It's probably a combination of that highly intelligent scientific mind coupled with deep thought psychonaut diving that kind of breaches reality and mindfucks the reader.
It's really interesting and entertaining reading but I kind of take it with a grain of salt like that fuckin ancient aliens dude.
I can only watch him after smoking myself functionally retarded.
I also really like watching "rotten" on Netflix. It's so goddamn good. Who'd ever thought an investigative documentary about the food industry could be so interesting.
I was looking on Facebook for a way to ask him and if it was a legitimate idea I wanted to trade it for one of those bullet proof techno pintos.lmao
please sb
one of these days i'm gonna idly log back in here and find it alive, but it's entirely bots talking to each other about sneaker deals back and forth forever
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/22385/?post=915549#post915549 (https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/22385/?post=915549#post915549)
Something worth reading for those who remember the old days.
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/22385/?post=915549#post915549 (https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/22385/?post=915549#post915549)
Something worth reading for those who remember the old days.
Hipster oldbies only, yes? Maybe I should find another forum then > :(
edit:
for the sake of the music composers on this board, I just wanna say I actually ended up writing quite a few tracks for Keeping up with the Kardashians. like 5-7 or something? pay was decent but way too unpredictable if you'd get stuff there
Sometimes when I'm in a weird mood (usually some cross between nostalgic and melancholic), I find myself here and just kinda soak it all in. There's something almost comforting about being here. I don't usually log in but something came over me tonight.
Oh actually! I'm not sure if anyone here would have any leads on this (nor whether this will be read for a month, as we all seem to stagger our logins pretty well!) but I have a friend who's making a documentary series on game communities (both in games and around game makers - he's done Doom and ZZT, for instance), and he's interested in covering both the Western and Japanese RPGMaker communities. For each episode he generally interviews one or two people and they'll act as kind of oral historians / guides for their community. Anyway! I was wondering if anyone has a window into the Japanese side of the community? Or any topics / people you think might be good for the Western community, though I think he already has someone in mind!I have nothing to contribute but I'm keen on consumption