You contradict yourself here seemingly because you think earl is acting a bit superior. If it isn't acceptable or legitimate as a 'lifestyle', then how is a person who does not act like not better than someone who does? The who's better stuff doesn't really matter, you can hate a way of behaving while behaving that way yourself. You are allowed to recognize and criticize bad things and the people who do them and your own status regarding the issue isn't really relevant if you are actually interested in working out what is right and wrong and not in just coming out on top in the argument.

its not a lifestyle to me because I don't consider it something worthy to call a lifestyle. Its something he does on his freetime to entertain him, meet women, and have fun. I hardly think its something he lives by and would shake his life if he went without it. I wouldn't call it "bad" either. No one is coming to any sort of particular harm. I guess you'd say the women are but in my opinion if they choose to accept that and be around men like that, even specifically choose them out. Theres nothing bad about it, its just immature. And my definition of "bad" and "immature" are not the same.

And like I said before about the second paragraph. He isn't going out and yelling obsenities or gross things at some random helpless woman (I'm pretty sure) he's going to a bar and trying to get in their pants. It is base, you're absolutely right about that. But some people look for base things and can accept base things from either gender. You two are acting like he's going out to find some nice helpless girl to fuck the shit out of and make them feel like an empty piece of meat. I don't agree with that perception. I think its two casual people that aren't looking for a legitimate relationship and both have certain base desires they want fullfilled. If thats all they want and they're getting it then who are you to assume that is wrong. Do you actually think that he would be so dumb as to legitimately think women are only good for fucking and when he's looking for a good ol' fuckin' he wants his prime rib in top condition ect ect ect.

No, but he does talk that way and I can see how you get that from his posts. Its a stupid man subculture and he's either going to one day realize its piggish to word what he's trying to say like that or keep doing it but really who cares honestly. Its one of those things that you can point out and hope he notices but if he doesn't or thinks you're being a prude about its just a waste of time to keep going on about it like you're ever enlightened.

Do you really want to be saying we should abandon feminism as a starting point for the way we treat women in society because there are a few, allegedly, who like their men to treat them like bedpost notches and possessions? There is a reason feminism is rooted deep in people's head, and it's a good things. It's because it is right. It's not something so flimsy that it can't stand under the pressure of some superficial asshole saying 'heh, come on. humanity is a toilet anyway...'. If you are actually interested in arguing about this, feminism wins. You keep bringing up this notion that people should shut up about it because nobody is perfect but why is that even relevant? Bled may be the person getting the heat for it now but it's all the ideas behind what he's saying that are objectionable. I think this whole WELL WHO ARE YOU TO SAY crap is lazy and irrelevant.

Don't treat women like objects, don't act like masculinity is something you have over women. These are good rules.

Nope, but you guys (you two especially) bring it up every chance you get like its something we aren't all already fully aware of and realize. I actually think feminism is very important but I also think its important to realize that lots and lots of other people don't think or want to think about sex and gender relationships so deeply. Some people are just fucking shallow or like to be shallow for a period of time, that doesn't mean that at some point in the past, present, or future they won't come to realize its importance. They just do not fucking care and like refusing to eat meat or protesting war or anything else of philisophical importance to you, some people just don't live that way and you can point your opinions out to them and hope they see it your way but if they don't then you don't have to look down on them for it, thats hypocritical in my opinion.

shit

It's pretty pathetic how you can type so much and still be so incredibly fucking dim.

My original post was a brief tale concerning an ex-army wife with four kids who I slow danced with while drunk at a bar.  She obviously must have been interested in me in the first place, otherwise I probably, you know, would not have been fucking DANCING with her.  I found out she was a mother and in a custody battle and lost interest, although I'm sure if I had really wanted to I could have gone to her place and objectified her.  Repeatedly.  From behind.

Somehow, four pages later, I'm a drunken womanizer.

applejacks: we eat what we like

i dont use bitch but i use faggot a lot

I made the mistake of dating a Presbyterian pastor's daughter back in 2004 and am still kinda recovering from the incident.

I went on a massive drunken binge recently and met a chick in a bar while sipping my Wild Turkey and coke and watching the world series.  We hit it off quite nicely, and she had the courtesy to at least wait until we were slow-dancing to some pop song I've never heard and I was very discreetly sliding my hands around her hips to break the news that she was an ex-military wife with four kids currently in limbo due to legal proceedings. 

The drunken binge stayed with me for almost a month after that night, but I never saw her again.

this reeks of lame. i can smell it.
beggining with a disclaimer of a massive drunken (not 'drinking') binge to absolve you of any wrong doing (dancing to pop songs? flirting with a mother of four?) that doesn't fit too well with sipping (though we binge in NZ differently) or the rest of the story, and also constructs you as a man that can handle his alcohol (since this was all done while drunken, at the BINGE level). sipping 'Wild Turkey and coke' while watching the world series does a lot of work to establish you as a bar frequent, you know what you drink ('my') and you were comfortable in the environment (sipping and watching the world series). it also provides an alibi that you weren't there to meet 'chicks,' your purpose was to watch the world series and binge drink, you're a solitary man that picks up chicks when he's not even trying, not a lonely guy hoping to meet a long term partner. 'courtesy to at least wait' after hitting it off quite nicely works to imply there was a good deal of time spent together before she divulged the deal breaker (SUDDENLY, that whole sentence). discreetly sliding your hands around her hips during the dance to the pop song you've never heard (since you may know a few pop songs but you're not a fan or anything) relates back to the formation of yourself as someone that doesn't care about the relationship implied by the slow dance. she was slow dancing, you were copping a feel.

your identity is lame and so is MKKs, though idolising GOD is a bit less lame than GEARS OF WAR or whatever (i'm a tad biased)

all i got out of reading brown's post is "i think it's cool to drive drunk"

Oh man can you please drop this velfarre. thats such a low blow. for the record I asked three random people, one a gay barber, two some girl that owned a gun store, and three a security guard, why the pylons were there. Guess what, they all said the same thing (well in their own way), its to alert drivers under the influence of where the boundaries of the road are.  The reason why I asked 3 was because the girl at the gunstore seemed to think I was a tourist so she couldve lied, the barber well i dunno he was cool but i still wanted an extra person cus it was hard to believe. You must not have your glasses on right if that's all you got out of reading my post.

haha you're so proud of yourself ghahaha

Not really proud just sharing a recent moment of my life. But believe me it was fun. You're a douchebag for calling me coxswain 2.

Brown do you have an SUV?

No sir I have a 1996 camry dx. top notch condition though the mileages past 280 K

hey brown i'll edit that footage for you.

deal. pm'd.

No sir I have a 1996 camry dx. top notch condition though the mileages past 280 K

Nice car man!  I'm a toyota fanboi though.  See, it has 280k miles and I bet it runs great!

Nice car man!  I'm a toyota fanboi though.  See, it has 280k miles and I bet it runs great!

I thought you'd be the type to ride a bus or be a militant fixed gear biker

And like I said before about the second paragraph. He isn't going out and yelling obsenities or gross things at some random helpless woman (I'm pretty sure) he's going to a bar and trying to get in their pants. It is base, you're absolutely right about that. But some people look for base things and can accept base things from either gender. You two are acting like he's going out to find some nice helpless girl to fuck the shit out of and make them feel like an empty piece of meat. I don't agree with that perception. I think its two casual people that aren't looking for a legitimate relationship and both have certain base desires they want fullfilled. If thats all they want and they're getting it then who are you to assume that is wrong. Do you actually think that he would be so dumb as to legitimately think women are only good for fucking and when he's looking for a good ol' fuckin' he wants his prime rib in top condition ect ect ect.

I more or less agree with this. I already said it but I don't think I was clear - it is the attitude and the persona that I've got a problem with, not the process of going to bars and finding people to have sex with. It's the Bukowski Jr. bullshit I don't like. I don't think he is actually acting like this in real life, only that he wants to project that image. However, I don't get why you are defending (very apologetically) that side of the argument and going against the other. I don't mean to come off as 'ever enlightened', but I am saying that the attitude Bled is so proud of is a pile of crap - I haven't said anything like 'why don't you try being a feminist like me!!!', so I wish you'd stop acting like I have.

Oh man can you please drop this velfarre. thats such a low blow. for the record I asked three random people, one a gay barber, two some girl that owned a gun store, and three a security guard, why the pylons were there. Guess what, they all said the same thing (well in their own way), its to alert drivers under the influence of where the boundaries of the road are.  The reason why I asked 3 was because the girl at the gunstore seemed to think I was a tourist so she couldve lied, the barber well i dunno he was cool but i still wanted an extra person cus it was hard to believe. You must not have your glasses on right if that's all you got out of reading my post.

i wasn't talking about the pylons

you specifically said that you and your completely drunk buddies were driving around and got these girls back to your hotel room.  how did you get them there, teleport?????

Killing bitches is a waste of perfectly serviceable cunny.

Never kill a women before you have employed her cunny to the fullest extent.

[/sarcasm] -.-

bitches gotta take their cunt pills, i ain't wearin' no gunny-sack

Oh man can you please drop this velfarre. thats such a low blow. for the record I asked three random people, one a gay barber, two some girl that owned a gun store, and three a security guard, why the pylons were there. Guess what, they all said the same thing (well in their own way), its to alert drivers under the influence of where the boundaries of the road are.  The reason why I asked 3 was because the girl at the gunstore seemed to think I was a tourist so she couldve lied, the barber well i dunno he was cool but i still wanted an extra person cus it was hard to believe. You must not have your glasses on right if that's all you got out of reading my post.

Were you drunk when you asked them because I'm pretty sure they were just making fun of a drunk Ontarian. They are not there for that. Also, maybe I'm just slow or it's some cultural gap but what the fuck do you mean by pylons? The street lights? The orange cones in the perpetually under-construction roads of downtown MTL?

i wasn't talking about the pylons

you specifically said that you and your completely drunk buddies were driving around and got these girls back to your hotel room.  how did you get them there, teleport?????

you jump to conclusions which pisses the shit out of me. Our hotel was in the club district so literally we walked everywhere. It was just one massive street with clubs and random tourist attractions. No need to teleport!!!!!

Were you drunk when you asked them because I'm pretty sure they were just making fun of a drunk Ontarian. They are not there for that. Also, maybe I'm just slow or it's some cultural gap but what the fuck do you mean by pylons? The street lights? The orange cones in the perpetually under-construction roads of downtown MTL?

my bad dude I dont know what they are called but I called them pylons because the name just wasn't coming. but your right they are construction white orange cones. you're telling me they are solely for the purpose of construction??  I am shocked because that was my first guess when I saw them BUT I just can't believe every frigging road we drove through had these pylons lined up to the max. even the highways. it was like a neverending pylon road thing. well yes I was drunk while walking around but I didn't think that would matter everyone's a good samaritan . Oh man I gotta go back and yell at my barber.

Nice car man!  I'm a toyota fanboi though.  See, it has 280k miles and I bet it runs great!

thanks I love this car too! still, I wanted the v6 rather than the v4 but hey im saving some gas.
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Ive never tried online dating, been afraid to do so. The next question is a very noob like question so bear with me. To those who have tried it, did you put your actual name, address and what not? I'm a bit paranoid to do that I guess. Also some of the ones ive visited for jokes required money. Are there any free ones?

my bad dude I dont know what they are called but I called them pylons because the name just wasn't coming. but your right they are construction white orange cones. you're telling me they are solely for the purpose of construction??  I am shocked because that was my first guess when I saw them BUT I just can't believe every frigging road we drove through had these pylons lined up to the max. even the highways.

Welcome to Montreal.

I thought you'd be the type to ride a bus or be a militant fixed gear biker

I rode a bus to St. Louis one weekend it was boring as hell.

Also I have a bike I ride it in the spring/summer when it's warm out.