Hello everyone.

My laptop broke a few weeks ago so I have mostly been browsing GW from my phone here and there. I also just graduated from college a week ago and have been in SAYING BYE TO FRIENDS / PARTYING mode. Drule has definitely been running the show recently but I will hopefully be much more active now that I am home for the summer.

I haven't read the entire topic yet (will do this soon...) but it sounds a few of you are getting a little internet-xenophobic about moving the community over to a different site/name. Honestly, I don't see this as any different than the whole G&D/RPG MAKER VS. GENERAL conflict we had for years... Everyone sits at different lunch tables and socializes with their OWN KIND. 

You oldbies that have stuck around GW for years and years are obviously our most FUN and irreplaceable resources and we wouldn't want you to just VANISH one day. The thing is, GW in its current state IS in danger of vanishing once Bart pulls the plug and therefore a move like this is necessary. I think Drule is trying to plan for the future by developing the community around a powerful indie game engine that is currently lacking a central hub. By porting us over, we can take advantage of the fact that a lot of our members still consider game making a fun hobby and let our userbase grow over time instead of dwindle into nothingness like it has been doing for the past couple of years.

If you HATE GAME MAKING or something, you can continue to isolate yourself in General / Media / whatever  the subforums will be called and just never visit the new mainsite to read articles or participate in contests or listen to the podcasts.

But we do need you active users to make the jump with us so that we retain the people that have made GW mysteriously FUN TO READ and visit for so long.

i agree we'll probably all vanish out of each others lives, apart from a few who know each other really well, and i don't want that to happen. for example, earl. he'd never let me talk to him on irc every day or whatever, but i still want to see what he has to say. and ragner, too. another guy who i need to come along for. and there are lots of others.

so i'll be there. i'm your guy, and i'm here. i've got my own stuff i'm doing, but i'll always be right here. and that?

that's my quote.

also the podcast is getting done. i have the first 5 minutes complete and i have alot more ready to edit in, i'm just waiting on people submitting and letting me know if they are cool with the whole thing.

i agree we'll probably all vanish out of each others lives, apart from a few who know each other really well, and i don't want that to happen. for example, earl. he'd never let me talk to him on irc every day or whatever, but i still want to see what he has to say. and ragner, too. another guy who i need to come along for. and there are lots of others.

so i'll be there. i'm your guy, and i'm here. i've got my own stuff i'm doing, but i'll always be right here. and that?

that's my quote.

i had hoped to see your thoughts dude. i'm certainly not hopeless at all about GW. everybody is busy feeling ashamed of what they are. everybody's talkin. though i think everybody knows that deep down inside despite this desperate ugly manipulation. there are always options.

i mean... what would stop me from just picking as many people's contact information (msn aim facebook) and leave this place? nothing, really, i got most of them already.
but what i realized few days ago is that i would still miss so many of these people. i wouldn't get to see your or anybody's elaborate thoughts and i wouldn't get to see what everybody collectively thinks about posts. or the occasionally beauty this place can make. like the fund raising or the meeting of inspirations like troubadours. or ahhaha get to hear Chef's live feed about playing Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. how about a music blog chef suggested? or Velfarre's idea of posting photo's of your hometown, i had thought about it before too and it's a great fucking idea.

anything is better than your casual character and condescension Drule. Oh and hooray for your year-long - manipulation, guess you didn't get your will through here so you deciced to get as many members here while you can? i guess we are just means for ends to you.

thanks for making us seem like a hopeless, worthless community Drule and ase but we are adults and more mature now. we know what we want and i think we can think for ourselves now. everyone knows a new game forum feels forced and after the initial rush the gw community would fall finally. since you are busy making this new, hot indie gaming portal... i think we should do what we can and focus on essential. and only you can stop us now. i wonder if you have the heart for that?

man i'm killing myself with this sleep deprivation jesus yikes. a lot has happened in my life! tinnitus is no more. i can continue with music if i wish so. i got my life back but uh i didn't want a part of it anyways. i have changed too much. Ryan Buttkiller and FuckAssBitch, your hearing is fine you dorks. if your ear docs say your ears fine then they are. go home and sleep well. i think Farmrush is fine too but he should get into TRT-therapy to believe that.

i think i have whole lot more to say and i have been thinking about this since last weekend but things take time to compress yikes. i'm sorry. tomatoland is on hold until GW is figured out or/and that i have something good to say there. GW is a bigger priority.

maybe Drule didn't mean to be malicious but he wanted to realize his own dream too badly. i mean where does he even need us? we are just bunch of people who like to talk about life and arts in general. isn't this how our most serious game makers are anyways? like hundley and chef. that's why i talk about games even though i have played exactly one indie game in the past 6 months.

i think Farmrush is fine too but he should get into TRT-therapy to believe that.

I'm not sure how you determined this? My ears have been ringing for years now. I'll look into TRT.

congratulations ramci.

tinnitus is no more.

this is really great to hear, man. 

Fuck you earl.  You may not like me, but roughly a year or so ago I did my part to code a new mainsite with panda and the whole thing fell apart just like anything else anyone has tried in the past.  I also volunteered to help with the blog, as I work with Wordpress on an almost daily basis and have done so for over a year now, but somehow or another that got overlooked as well.  People like you make me feel like it was more of a waste of time and effort than I ever thought it could be.  

Also, speaking from experience, probably the best thing you guys could do is just stop talking about this altogether and just fucking do it.  Whatever it is, whatever your plans are, whatever needs to happen in the near future - just fucking do it.  Trying to take everyone's thoughtless opinion into consideration is only going to slow the process down, and if any of you haven't noticed already one of the trademarks of failure thus far as far as updating the mainsite goes has been an endless fucking topic where every snide little fuck gets to wiggle out of their crack in the floor and voice their senseless thoughts on the matter.  

It's a novel idea to keep everyone informed and get new input, but ultimately pointless.  Just get it over with and let us know where to sign our names.

wow sorry bled. I'm thankful for the effort you put into the site and all and I don't hold anything meaningful against you, but you've got a really bad attitude which is why that thread turned out so poorly and why drule used it as an example. and although I'm sorry I provoked this sort of response from you, everything you said in the second paragraph on is still really stupid and wrong.

we are just bunch of people who to talk about life and arts in general. isn't this how our most serious game makers are anyways? like hundley and chef. that's why i talk about games even though i have played exactly one indie game in the past 6 months.

I can't say I agree with everything you said but I can certainly agree with that.

It seems like Drule ands ase (who sounds like the better PR dude of the two) cleared a few questions, but the one thing I was afraid was that whoever the "new guys" were, they would have been the one running the whole show and risk ignoring the old GW gang and their history. Thankfully, doesn't seem like it's going to be the case.