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I still don't see where you are coming from with your rants and I think they are very vague. What is the problem here, and what do you want us to do? NOT make a website?

Also, you keep repeating that Bart is going to shut GW down any minute now, creating a feeling that we're in a sinking ship and you are the lifeboat. Could Bart himself comment on this? The last I heard from him was in this February, here's the quote:
Well, what prompted us to start working on this was Bart sending me a message half a year ago asking if he could shut down GW now. I've said several times that I don't think he minds GW being up, but it probably will be shut down at some point along the line. Even if that's not the case, it's probably good to have an alternative that isn't hanging by a thread.
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If this were to happen would our bookmarks still work? or would we need to update them to some new address?
Will we still have a lot of the nifty tags and other features like the warning "that someone posted while you were typing" thing?
How do you plan on moving members? Will we have to re-register?
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haven't read anything besides this quote yet. I'll read marge's posts later and see if I can make a bullet point outline that clearly links cause and effect
Basically this REALLY sums it all up. It's not about reminiscing the GOOD OL' RPGMAKER DAYS and trying to bring that back! This community was so much more active, creative, cooler 3-5 years ago than it is now. You can exclude the whole game making aspect and that still holds true. There was something interesting going on somewhere all the time. There was a constant flow of really good topics and great posts by great posters.
the only thing true about any of this is that the site used to be more active. but cooler and more creative? that's garbage. I think we recently lost a lot of activity for numerous reasons. I don't think I should have to point out these reasons, because they are fairly obvious and have affected virtually everyone in the community. but if we back up like a year, we had loads of stuff going on and unlike 2001-2006 it wasn't all absolute garbage. we've come a long way, and those of us that are still posting and producing content are doing way better than we were in this GOLDEN AGE

that's what I'm talking about when I say gw has been improving over the years, and that our community is still far from dead. we've got loads of great guys making great stuff. I know we're losing members, and I agree that it would be nice to do something about it even though I doubt we'd ever actually lose the community. I don't think anyone's arguing against doing something about it, people are arguing about what we're choosing to do about it

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i'm behind drule on this because he's one of the few people who will actually get something done. he still has some passion left in him. the rest of you just talk or don't have the technical skills to actually do something for this place. i really don't think gw can afford to wait another year or two to get something done.
and there is nothing wrong with any of us making suggestions. drule has said numerous times that we're going to have to wait until several things happen anyway, so we're not wasting anyone's time. and drule did ask us for our input
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i feel this is p. accurate. the focus on amateur games brought in a lot of talent in very different fields. sprite artists, photoshop gurus, musicians, and programmers to name a few. i'm sure that without the thread of game making there would still be talented people coming in, but more than likely they'd stick to posting in a single board, and as a result it may not be as unified as the old GW seemed to be. idk
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Serious question:  will all the Foget smilies be on the new forums?  Because if not I am going to save all of them and upload them somewhere for my own use.
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I have to say, I was a little surprised upon one of my many returns to find Drule calling the shots here. However, as others have commented, he's actually DOING something rather than just letting the community die and sitting back as KING SHIT. I mean that's what I would have done, for sure. Or sent people threatening PMs if they commented about how they were going to leave the site.

I don't think my opinion carries a huge amount of weight around here nowadays (NOT LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS EH BOYS?!?!) but I'd just like to state that I'm fully behind the changes that Drule is making. People fear change, but from what I've seen GW hasn't really progressed or advanced at all since I left. Don't get me wrong, I'm not creating a parallel by any means (in actual fact my contribution to the site was mostly threatening people into creating content and personally creating boring administrative features like STAFF HIERARCHIES and SENIOR POSITIONS - pointless busywork to make myself feel important!!!), but this is just how I see it. There has been a lot of great stuff created, but I haven't seen a huge improvement either way with whatever admin team has taken over. I think this is probably because people wanted to just RECREATE GW GOLDEN AGE rather than change and adapt things to suit the new times we live in. People who're commenting negatively about this without offering any advice or how they would do things differently are pretty much douchebags.

By the way - a comment on changing the name: Many years ago, Bart created GW after leaving RPGMaker.net. RPGMaker.net was a site with a huge name - many conflicts happened over rights to the name, such was its importance seen. GW eventually acquired the name and didn't do shit with it - neither did many others. It's now finally a functioning (and quite decent) site I believe. The rambling point I'm trying to get across is that a name is just a name. If Drule is actually creating something that improves the community, see it as just that - not "piggybacking", but improving and advancing. Don't call it astrojone though - that name confuses and excites me, in a fairly erotic way.

So yeah, like I say, I'm sure I don't have the huge weight of popular opinion or ancestral respect on my side any more, but I still thought I'd add my two cents. Keep going Drule - FEEL THE BURN!!!

PS: Build it and they will come. By "they" I mean "me", and by "come" ... I'll let you make up your own mind about any perverted euphemism that I could be implying there!!!
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I still don't see where you are coming from with your rants and I think they are very vague. What is the problem here, and what do you want us to do? NOT make a website?
Well, what prompted us to start working on this was Bart sending me a message half a year ago asking if he could shut down GW now. I've said several times that I don't think he minds GW being up, but it probably will be shut down at some point along the line. Even if that's not the case, it's probably good to have an alternative that isn't hanging by a thread.

*sigh*  Drule, why not just ask Bart to give/sell you GW, take over the server costs yourself or raise them from members, and do the revamp here? It'd be simpler than getting a new web address, surely.
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Not when the name doesn't exactly suit needs anymore, and Because it's to be a Different forum from GW(w/ New staff and connections from other sources than GW, Along with some From here; Drule, Ase, Countless other Followers, and Troll-lings!) , with a lot of GW's Community and Characteristics and some new things to attract more modern day user interest.  GW will live onwards until Bart pulls the plug (which is hopefully after the new site and not latter.)  So if you don't like the new place, don't stick around and see how long the last thread holding GW up snaps and it plummets like many a (rpg)Gaming Site before.

A new site and name also leaves room for more freedom, less "this isnt like old GW" whine, more Life like it used to be, but a little different.
Also leads to more traffic as a new site with flowing content draws more traffic than a reworked a thousand times site, which is its own thing in itself. This can and will attract new users to boost the community.




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That's exactly what the GW Blog attempted to do, and it didn't really succeed. Take a look at the forum directory right now. The two forums that have the most people currently viewing them are Gaming and Game Design. Granted, the numbers are pretty low compared to when GW was in its prime, but the common interest that brought almost everyone here was gaming. You may have met some really great people and then started some sort of creative collaboration with them in the form of music/art/etc, but can that really draw new people to the site? I don't believe so, because while these creative outlets allow you to draw closer to some people in the community, to an outsider all they are is some inside-thing they don't don't really "get". (Personally, I don't get some of these things either, so if that was the sole draw to GW I probably wouldn't be here. I came for the games, stayed for the community, but I haven't forgotten about gaming completely. Now that I'm out of College I'm ready to delve back into game making. Maybe some other GWers are feeling the same?).
I've meant to reply to this for a while now but the laptop broke so it has been difficult. Yeah, sure, the GW Blog didn't succeed but I think that was more down to the way it came about rather than an example of that kind of set-up failing. With GW Blog you have to remember it was a temporary site to bridge the gap between the previous website and the newer version. The community took part (6-10 people?) and wrote little articles about what they wanted. It was less of an attempt to run a site and more to keep it interesting for the people involved?  If we're talking about the idea I had suggested, it was more along the lines of 3-4 dedicated staff who would write articles about things related to the website, whether it be games, film, music etc etc in a a more, say, dare I say it, Destructoid way. Having an actual site over a temporary one, and writing articles in an almost professional website format. I don't know if I'm making sense or just waffling around the point. Just with less Jim Sterling's.
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I don't think anyone's arguing against doing something about it, people are arguing about what we're choosing to do about it
Yes, this.

Would I like to see 10 000 posts a month here? Yes I would. Am I worried about dwindling member numbers? Yes  I am. Is a new Astrojone centered on some game engine an answer? No it isn't. I'm puzzled by some of you not getting this, I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't the direction for this community. Maybe you're just so desperate that anything goes. If that's so, I share your concern but not your desperation, and I would like to see the future built on what we are now, not what used to be five years ago.

But Drule obviously isn't willing to defend his view or reply to criticism and most of you seem set on following him, so I'll have to settle with leaving a differing opinion. Now let's see what Drule can deliver.
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Yes, this.

Would I like to see 10 000 posts a month here? Yes I would. Am I worried about dwindling member numbers? Yes  I am. Is a new Astrojone centered on some game engine an answer? No it isn't. I'm puzzled by some of you not getting this, I think it's pretty obvious that that isn't the direction for this community. Maybe you're just so desperate that anything goes. If that's so, I share your concern but not your desperation, and I would like to see the future built on what we are now, not what used to be five years ago.

But Drule obviously isn't willing to defend his view or reply to criticism and most of you seem set on following him, so I'll have to settle with leaving a differing opinion. Now let's see what Drule can deliver.

And you're not getting the concept that what we are now and what we were can coalesce. That is the point. The new website is not just going to erase what we are now, it's not going to change all of our personalities or what we talk about. It's just going to add more to the community and attract new members.

The fact of the matter is Gaming World has been on a downward slide in the last few years. We hit our peak years ago. This is a way of bringing us back up to that peak.
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I still don't really see what the problem is here. If you could maybe be more specific about what is wrong with creating this new website.

That was a quote from Drule, responding to feedback. So I guess the idea that he isn't responding is false!!

There's a lot of emotive language being used on this thread. In my younger day, when (for example) Rowain took over the site, I was full of "OH NO IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME", and as far as I'm concerned GW post-2004 wasn't the same as the GW that I knew and loved. That's not blaming Rowain at all - don't misinterpret. It was simply a change, and the community changed also. Not BECAUSE of it, it just happened. Things changed and shit.

So yeah, a future built on what GW is now? Isn't that paradoxical, considering the current idea that the place is just a forum? How about a future built on the best of ideas from GW - which, as far as I can see, Drule is including.

Man, I know I'm rambling, but if I would have voiced this shit back in 2004 a lot of people would have called me a douchebag. How about just making suggestions or some shit. It makes more sense than harking back a few years to a time that not all of us think was HOT SHIT.
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So yeah, a future built on what GW is now? Isn't that paradoxical, considering the current idea that the place is just a forum? How about a future built on the best of ideas from GW - which, as far as I can see, Drule is including.


YES!
What the new site is going to be is a Melting pot consisting some of the great(est) things from all GW eras and put them together with some new ways of thinking and a new crew(alongside our own "current" crew) for a much more widened perspective, and other great ideas and angles to help attract more new people to our current community and family.

But alongside this discussion of What is and isn't GW, and what should and should happen to whichever site. Drule has voiced asking for our suggestions for ideas for the site/forum/community (apps, themes?, features, community events, miscellaneous ideas to attract members or make members stay longer, post more and be more involved in community). So what are your Ideas Guys? Lets get this Site fleshed up great from launch!
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