http://feministallies.blogspot.com/2007/06/on-ogling-and-appreciation.html

These are all generalizations of men. They're all assuming men wholly accept that which they do not. They're enforcing false ideas of the traditional oppressive gender role.

Listen to yourself. After finally reading a blog post on one of the ways that women get mistreated, your only reaction is simply to not believe it a word of it. This blog post isn't even very controversial. It very succinctly states that you shouldn't visibly and noticeably stare at someone in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable, and it asserts that people do so.

Did she just make that up, according to you? Do men not stare at women's breasts, even when they know they're aware of it? Does none of this ever happen? Does she ever say that all men do it, or just generally that there are men who do it?

The article goes on to give tips on how to be less of a massive creep and states that it's okay to look at people as long as you're doing it in a respectable way. How is that in any way controversial?

The problem here is that you're so immensely skeptical of anything women have to say that you simply can't even begin to empathize with their problems. As far as you're concerned, it doesn't really matter how much Vellfire complains, or how much Faust complains, or how much the feminist blog posts complain: you flat-out don't buy it. If you care about women, and I'm sure that deep down inside you do, then the right thing to do is not to cross your arms and say "all of you are wrong and I'm right", but at least to say "this is all new to me, but let me think about it". You have to be open to the possibility that your experiences are too limited, though not due to any fault of your own, to fully appreciate the level of abuse that women face. You have to be open to say "I've never seen any of the abuses that you've mentioned to me, but I'll take your word for it because you should know".

I am not a man that does or believes this shit is ok so what I have to agree with feminism because there is no alternative and if I don't agree with feminism I'm a mysogonist.

If you "disagree with feminism", you disagree with women setting their own terms for their emancipation. That's pretty misogynistic.

Broken record much?

Posting to remind everyone of Ed's views on women:

So most of the content in this thread is relationship advice from someone who has only ever been loved by a puppy who I hope is secretly a misogynistic animal because that would just be wonderful.

*bitter vagina whiff onslaught*

Now excuse me I have to go rub peanut butter on my vagina.