i'd like to go just one day where there wasn't a lingering internet debate in my life

oh boy, one of these!

You know, I actually went and watched all of the episodes of what we're talking about here over the last couple days, and i don't really think you or velfarre really have any reason to be upset. But I'm willing to be wrong! Lay it out to me using concrete examples of where this stuff is actually gay-bashing or in some way minimizing or hostile towards homosexuality without pulling this silencing identity-politics bullshit with me. The entirety of your point so far is that "there could be someone out there laughing at the thing for the wrong reasons" which is completely meaningless and applied to anything. I mean, if you were to just leave it at "it's not my bag", that'd be fine but you take it a step forward suggesting that the intended humor is actually malicious in playing on people's latent homophobia. I think that's a stretch and you are making a pretty wild assumption there.

wrt Velfarre getting all cross about it in chatlogs: I think it's fairly obvious that she hasn't even seen them given that she gave the impression that she's taking your word on the fact that "...if all the jokes boil down to...", so why would I give a fuck what she has to chime in with? "oh wonderful, I'd love to get an earful about how I'm not concerned enough". Fuck it, I'm not going to catch this kind of shit, especially considering what I've spent a lot of my spare time doing(out in *gasp* real life) for several years. Yeah, minority and oppressed populations don't often get portrayed in the media in a positive light and it ought to be criticized, thanks for that insight!

yeah homophobia is just an abstract exercise to us, and not something we have to deal with as *gasp* real life

I never said it was an abstract exercise or suggested that people didn't deal with it in their lives. I'm saying that, to once again move away from spouting platitudes and reel back to the actual object of discussion here, what is being called out as homophobic is not homophobic. That's not the same thing as saying homophobia does not exist or matter. 

"I'm a white married cis male heterosexual and according to my analysis, this cartoon's jokes about gay sex actually aren't offensive to you at all."

Dada, drop this shit.

actually nvm

i'm not "getting all cross" i'm trying not to have Emotional Issues over dumb internet things like i do half the time because the internet makes me goddamn miserable about myself

delete the internet i want to get off

to suggest vellfire is deliberately "getting cross" about it and making herself miserable is just fuck you

to suggest vellfire is deliberately "getting cross" about it and making herself miserable is just fuck you

I think you have reading comprehension problems. I did not say that she was deliberately getting mad and making herself miserable.
The tone of the chatlog dada pasted seemed like she was upset, cross is a synonym for upset/annoyed. I made an observation and it seems like it was correct.

you seem to be grasping at something to be outraged about

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again, i think you have reading comprehension problems. that was directed at dada earlier in the conversation.

i'm not "getting all cross" i'm trying not to have Emotional Issues over dumb internet things like i do half the time because the internet makes me goddamn miserable about myself

well i'm sorry to hear that. i don't want you to feel bad about yourself.

i have to give up at this point before i shake myself to pieces so i'm just gonna invite you to read this post back through and try to comprehend the fact that you have said all this unironically

oh boy, one of these!

You know, I actually went and watched all of the episodes of what we're talking about here over the last couple days, and i don't really think you or velfarre really have any reason to be upset. But I'm willing to be wrong! Lay it out to me using concrete examples of where this stuff is actually gay-bashing or in some way minimizing or hostile towards homosexuality without pulling this silencing identity-politics bullshit with me. The entirety of your point so far is that "there could be someone out there laughing at the thing for the wrong reasons" which is completely meaningless and applied to anything. I mean, if you were to just leave it at "it's not my bag", that'd be fine but you take it a step forward suggesting that the intended humor is actually malicious in playing on people's latent homophobia. I think that's a stretch and you are making a pretty wild assumption there.

wrt Velfarre getting all cross about it in chatlogs: I think it's fairly obvious that she hasn't even seen them given that she gave the impression that she's taking your word on the fact that "...if all the jokes boil down to...", so why would I give a fuck what she has to chime in with? "oh wonderful, I'd love to get an earful about how I'm not concerned enough". Fuck it, I'm not going to catch this kind of shit, especially considering what I've spent a lot of my spare time doing(out in *gasp* real life) for several years. Yeah, minority and oppressed populations don't often get portrayed in the media in a positive light and it ought to be criticized, thanks for that insight!

ps I sort of thought you were mature and were able to have discussions like this with a minimum of respect and without shitting all over people's feelings. why is it that you're dismissing everybody here for just doing this for the abstract college politics exercise? is that because believing everybody's feelings are faked makes it easier to reject them and not have to do any of that annoying empathy stuff?

I'm willing to be wrong too. and actually I don't even care that much about the episodes themselves. I'm sure John K is a nice guy, and I actually loved the way he handled R&S's relationship in the earlier cartoons. and my point actually wasn't "someone could be laughing at this for the wrong reasons", but "it was probably designed to get people to laugh for the wrong reasons". but I could be right or wrong, I haven't watched those episodes lately and when I did I wasn't watching them very critically.

what I care about is the way you're going about this which is just completely wrong. like from the very start you've had this totally condescending attitude saying we're just COLLEGE POLITICIANS who don't actually care or have any stake in the issue which is completely hypocritical given who you are. vellfire even just came out as a bisexual a few posts ago, she's not exactly an armchair LGBT ally. you don't assume by default that people are just uptight leftist faux academics who do all this stuff as a thought exercise, that's gross.

Yeah sometimes(often) I'm flippant in dismissing people on the internet, especially when it's tangential to the actual object of discussion. It's not out of personal spite or malice, it's in not wanting to be the subject of some moralistic browbeat-down with idiots like Geodude chomping at the bit to 'call me out' on ridiculous bullshit I never said. I've seen this go down with dudes like Farren and I'm not taking the bait dude, lets actually have a focused discussion.

i have to give up at this point before i shake myself to pieces so i'm just gonna invite you to read this post back through and try to comprehend the fact that you have said all this unironically

Yeah, so make a point! So far you've been pretty incoherent and your entire contribution to this discussion has been fucking awful(I mean, explain those last two posts you've made)

tell me again how you're not doing any of this out of spite or malice:

again, that's me being flippant and dismissive because(as mentioned in a following post) she did not have anything to say about the actual content of the discussion. but instead seized on an opportunity to harp on some tangential subject as if i was some culturally insensitive moron who thinks all the oppressed populations should just "lighten up" in the face of actual offensive shit in the media. That's not what I was saying and I'm not that guy. So yeah, I snapped back a bit because if I'm not gonna be given the benefit of the doubt, I won't give it back! It wasn't out of wanting her to feel like shit or anything.