Topic: A high school discussion on racism (ALSO BOOTSTRAPS) (Read 9603 times)

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Hold up - they're from Western Canada, don't bring the rest of us into this.
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also since it came up nickelback should be a bannable offense - like discussing it, thinking about it, whatever. I'm sorry kaworu but that means you first

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so what if not me but Vellfire was admin and she decided to ban him? would you be making the exact same accusations? what if Drule banned him? what I'm trying to say is it's too easy to claim I'm just doing this out of personal reasons and dismiss what I'm saying about how this forum shouldn't give legitimacy to this sort of thing.
don't call it personal reasons, I don't think you consciously tried to spite him. essentially what you've been saying up to this point has been "but it's RACISM and that's fucking awful and his fault. no one tolerates racists. are you suggesting we tolerate a racist?" this is the first time I've seen a significant focus on any kind of reasoning. maybe it's been buried in there all along idk. and ya I'd argue with velf too? do you think I don't like you? I wouldn't bother arguing with drule tho it'd just be an annoying waste of time

I agree with what you're saying about not giving legitimacy to what they're saying after a certain point, but I don't think banning is the obvious conclusion. when I argued with mince about favelas, I didn't address his racism and instead focused on the actual debatable issues. I didn't get anywhere, but at least it was an actual discussion

you can really handle anything offensive mince says pretty easily with a one-liner, or simply by not being goaded. and I definitely don't think he hurts this community. that's all I can say, if he's still banned, oh well!!

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And like I was saying, you can cut out what the guy is saying and make him look like a fool without banning him. Dada could have changed every single one of his posts to Dr. Martin Luther King quotes and closed the topic (if he didn't drop it after being warned then ban him), it would have been pretty funny and more than effective.
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and ya I'd argue with velf too? do you think I don't like you?
no, but I think you're arguing I did this not because of some broader argument pertaining to what is or isn't an acceptable level of discourse generally, but because I personally don't like the discussion. that's not the case. there are tons of viewpoints I find legitimately disgusting, but only a few particularly egregious ones are worth taking action over for the reasons I outlined.

the reason why I ask you if you'd argue the same thing were it someone else is to point out that this would mean no admin could ever have made this decision lest they be branded  as being personally too involved to make a levelheaded decision out of concern for the forum. you keep falling back to this idea that I'm just abusing my power to limit and restrict everyone to a personal, arbitrary moral code because I don't like seeing certain types of discussions.

I'd love to argue more but I'll be leaving on vacation soon. then again I don't think there's much else that hasn't been said.
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we must tolerate biggotry and start hanging out with people we know are klansmen or neo-nazis, and not care when they attack people in the middle of the street, or shout out racial abuse, because they might be our good friends. Good going Farren.
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yeah cus thats what I said. word for word.

I'm actually in a klan meeting right now waiting for all my friends to get out so we can come and post about black crackbabies afterwards.
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you shouldn't post online during klan meetings it attracts unwanted attention
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i got the impression from dietcoke and a couple others that inri was being funny, clever or what he was saying was somehow not that bad, and that was what made me go aw fuck that crap.

Don't get me wrong, just because I think something's funny doesn't necessarily mean that I think it's clever or I'm down with it or whatever.

I mean IMHO it's pretty hilarious that chimpout came up in a serious discussion about racism because that site is really fucking absurd and I doubt the folks who contribute to that site are entirely earnest in the disgusting shit that gets posted there. for that reason i intentionally avoided the discussion.

I don't want to weigh in on wether or not the guy should be banned or give any sort of positive or negative judgement on the content of what he was saying, just wanted to point out that he was intentionally trying to get your goat.
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I really don't care about jihadjerry or anything he's done. it's a joke that we're even discussing him at all. I don't think it's "right" that he got banned, I just don't care. was it even a permaban? don't tell me.
no, but I think you're arguing I did this not because of some broader argument pertaining to what is or isn't an acceptable level of discourse generally, but because I personally don't like the discussion. that's not the case. there are tons of viewpoints I find legitimately disgusting, but only a few particularly egregious ones are worth taking action over for the reasons I outlined.

the reason why I ask you if you'd argue the same thing were it someone else is to point out that this would mean no admin could ever have made this decision lest they be branded  as being personally too involved to make a levelheaded decision out of concern for the forum. you keep falling back to this idea that I'm just abusing my power to limit and restrict everyone to a personal, arbitrary moral code because I don't like seeing certain types of discussions.

I'd love to argue more but I'll be leaving on vacation soon. then again I don't think there's much else that hasn't been said.
oh ic. yeah, "you" was never intended to be personal. you just happen to be the guy who can ban/unban. it's not some flaw or caveat of your being I was trying to point out, it's just because until recently you literally gave no explanation for your decision other than "it's racism, it's horrible, naturally we ban horrible people":

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yeah.

it's because I personally found him annoying.

it couldn't POSSIBLY be that he's a completely awful person who calls black people ghetto rats and believes racism doesn't really exist and all that's wrong with minorities can be blamed entirely on their own inherent stupidity. that's just not conceivable. it couldn't be that konix linked to a video of a black guy being executed irl on the racist forums inri says he visits and he said the video was pretty funny. OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY.

I said to begin with that the only way you could justify banning him is if you could argue he's actually detrimental to the forums, which went disregarded until your second most-recent post.

I still disagree that he's detrimental, but I'm not gonna argue about it any further
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the one shit that really sucks about this place is that a mod or admin cant make a fucking move without it causing an uproar. you're allowed to dispute shit and make a complaint. dada heard you, you didn't manage to sway him, case closed. you can't have your cake and eat it too
oh shut up, we were still trying to understand each other. and what's up with characterizing this as an 'uproar'? is this stuff like life and death to you? I know that's how it used to be when we were younger and would would write gigantic walls of text and each party would be perched on the edge of their seat in a cold sweat, eyes locked on the screen as they emphatically pound the enter enter key. I think dada would agree, this is really casual in comparison. I don't think anyone is worked up in the least. we don't really do that stuff anymore.
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well I've been typing furiously with the tip of my penis because my hands are too busy pulling my hair out because konix is pissing me off so much I would break this computer if I didn't have to pay for it
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nyway like i said, you filed your complaint, it didn't sway dada to change his mind, end of story. this back and forth is completely pointless. you're both just saying the same thing over and over now. like it or not, dada is an admin. this is how he wants to run the community. it's his job. if enough people complained or made a strong enough case i'm sure he (or some other staff) would've reversed the decision, but that didn't happen. nobody is forcing you to be here. you don't have to put up with this or drule's shit either. for better or worse they are who own and run the site and this is how they are DOIN THANGS. constantly harping on every minute staff decision is kind of trademark gw thing and it is fucking terrible (i'm certainly no innocent in this regard, but at least i've seen the error of my ways). just let it be. was inri really worth all this trouble?
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I think you might have taken me too seriously when I said "yeah, it's because I personally found him annoying" followed by a list of reasons. Those reasons were meant to show it actually wasn't personal. Like those were examples of why he was detrimental to the forum.
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ya, and I've been saying those things shouldn't necessarily be considered detrimental and ban-worthy, and at that point you gave no explanation as to why you thought they were. the sarcasm was obvious, don't worry.
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I don't think it's unreasonable of earlchip and Farren to suggest being forgiving of people from our community considering that we've all done some questionable things over the years, and that we on top of that are terribly inconsistent in our calling people out on their bad behavior. I'd say that the way we tend to judge people has historically been - and still is - on very personal or subjective terms.

For example, I can name currently active members who are able to get away with making sexist remarks for hours on end and NIGGAS SO BLACK HE CAN STEAL MY TV IN THE DARK-type jokes on IRC without receiving so much as a comment in the presence of some of the people who have been antagonizing Inri in this topic.

While Inri's ban was justified on the basis of being blatantly racist - and racism is not tolerated here, to make that clear - people also need to stop being so fervidly self-righteous about it, make an attempt to see the best in other members, be more consistent in their fighting detrimental ideas and not goad stupid users and trolls into showing their worst sides. Anything else is just going to result in topics like these.
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To be fair Drule, this thread's the most active general forum thread that isn't a 'What are you doing'-esque thread made since July 2010, so it has served a purpose in the end.
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For example, I can name currently active members who are able to get away with making sexist remarks for hours on end and NIGGAS SO BLACK HE CAN STEAL MY TV IN THE DARK-type jokes on IRC without receiving so much as a comment in the presence of some of the people who have been antagonizing Inri in this topic.
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