Topic: A high school discussion on racism (ALSO BOOTSTRAPS) (Read 9603 times)

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So far asparagus has used three arguments, two of which are unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and one of which is a picture.
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also aspargus buddy its very hard to take anything you say seriously now that you've openly admitted to being a racist

I think that if you thought-police yourself into NOT!THINKING!RACIST!THOUGHTS! you end up ignoring valid points. There are some black intellectuals  who acknowledge that black people are sabotaged mostly by a bunch of stupid cultural traits of their own and self-pity so I'll agree with them.

And that kind of news is funny because it ironically reinforces a stereotype OH WE ARE SUPERIOR HUMAN BEINGS liberal people insist saying is not true and pretty much negates the effects of both affirmative action propaganda and people who actually make an effort to distance themselves from the stereotype.

I read a news article I can't find right now about how some black people in US moved from "the ghetto" to suburbs because they were doing well economically and wanted to avoid the "ghetto culture of crime" and then they end up being racist against "niggas" as well because the house prices went down enough for the economically poor ghetto people to move in, bringing with them the exact same kind of behavior the rich ones disdained, thus illustrating Chris Rock's views on "niggas".


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Dada I only post that because I have no idea what Hugo Chavez actually does besides buying a bunch of soviet assault rifles and airplanes and saying CIA gave him cancer. Like, to me it seems like he's just trying to buy approval with social programs and bullshit while for some reason the homicide rates overall skyrocket
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Dada I only post that because I have no idea what Hugo Chavez actually does besides buying a bunch of soviet assault rifles and airplanes and saying CIA gave him cancer. Like, to me it seems like he's just trying to buy approval with social programs and bullshit while for some reason the homicide rates overall skyrocket
Well then, you ought to look into that.
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"affirmative action propaganda" we're dealing with a Ron Paul fan here.
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Yeah but it's society's fault.
I only ever brought your background up because I didn't like the judgment I was sensing, ie, I'm better than you/you're lower than me because you're racist or because you say weird things. that's just the wrong perspective. but you're still accountable for your opinions, and everyone has the right to condemn them and you have every ability to respond to those condemnations like any other human being

personally I don't think either party should bother

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thus illustrating Chris Rock's views on "niggas"
that is probably the worst fucking standup act I have ever seen. I don't think it was even chris rock's to begin with. like some indoctrinated middle class girl standing on stage and earnestly proclaiming "so what? maybe I want to be a housewife and call my man Daddy"
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There are some black intellectuals  who acknowledge that black people are sabotaged mostly by a bunch of stupid cultural traits of their own and self-pity so I'll agree with them.

In the united states, stupid culture effects everyone. Watch MTV for about fifteen minutes. People in general suffer from self-pity and the worse a position you're at in life the worse it gets. There are shootings, robbings, stabbings where I come from all the fucking time and guess which race is predominantly doing that shit? Not because of being better or worse than anyone else, because they're just the majority in the area and you see more of that color on TV. My little brothers GF's car got stolen a couple months ago and they were quick to blame some black dudes down the road but I'm 90% sure it was one of their white-pill headed friends. That is life. People are shitty and people are good, it has absolutely nothing to do with race. And if you let race hinder you or make you hinder others, you are a fucking racist.
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As an example of the routine's cultural impact, Barack Obama directly referenced it while campaigning to be elected President during a Father's Day speech on June 15, 2008, saying "Chris Rock had a routine. He said some—too many of our men, they're proud, they brag about doing things they're supposed to do. They say 'Well, I- I'm not in jail.' Well you're not supposed to be in jail!"
how the fuck did we ever take this guy seriously
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aspy please stop getting your opinions from comedians
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This place is FIRED UP today I like this tenacity saltines

Yeah I really like the activity of the past week or two. Its like GWs heart is pumping again we just gotta get more folks around here to keep the bloodflow.
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rofl. i love how you think racism is natural and people need to actively force themselves into not thinking racist thoughts. here's something that'll blow ur mind: normal people don't need to thoughtpolice themselves, they simply do not have racist thoughts.

Well how isn't it then. How is it more or less unnatural than playing video games for example.

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such as??

Such as "IT'S ALL EUROPEAN COLONIALISM'S FAULT" being complete bullshit?

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black people are sabotaged by years of slavery, oppression, brutality, being treated as second-class citizens, institutionalized racism that stifled any sort of social mobility, and so on. here's a thought: maybe some black people behave the way they do because they are a product of their horrible environment (that was engineered by the ruling elite), not the other way around.

Here's a thought: MAYBE BLAMING SLAVERY IS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE WITH A WHITE GUILT COMPLEX DOES AND I ALREADY HEARD THAT ONE A BILLION TIMES?

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imagine growing up with no social support network, no generations of rich, established family members to fall back on, no job opportunities, no proper education because of massive defunding of public inner-city schools, and so on.

This is stupid. If you're black and live in a favela in Rio de Janeiro you can still become middle class through personal effort and by studying etc. Here's a thought: which one do you think will get you the most pussy: being a nerd or joining the drug traffic? Those shitheads get a bunch of people killed because of their own greed and a culture that REWARDS being a shithead more than being a hard working individual.

 In US things are a million times better even for the poorest people, so it's not because of a lack of opportunities or welfare checks that they shoot each others and steal cars. Trailer trash live a life style that is almost as shitty yet you don't concede them the benefit of not being responsible for their situation because of european racism.

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racists like to say SLAVERY ENDED 200 YEARS AGO ASSHOLES, GET UR SHIT TOGETHER conveniently forgetting that black people still didn't have human rights until just, what, 30? 40? years ago? barely a single generation. and then as soon as black people finally got some rights you conveniently had the AIDS and crack epidemic spring up and ronald reagan doing absolutely nothing about it for years so that he could play with his flaccid dick while millions of blacks and gays died a horrible death.

Here's another case: there were a bunch of indian people who lived in Uganda. Then Idi Amin Dada took power and decided to expel anyone who wasn't black. The indians left Uganda with basically nothing and moved to UK and are doing fine now. Uganda turned into an even worse shithole due to that very same "I'M A VICTIM OF EUROPEAN COLONIZATION" mentality.

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ahahahahahahaha this is the thing every racist piece of shit points to to justify their horrid beliefs. fun fact: chris rock himself has since regretted making those jokes.

'In a 60 Minutes interview, Rock said, "By the way, I've never done that joke again, ever, and I probably never will. 'Cause some people that were racist thought they had license to say nigger. So, I'm done with that routine."' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggas_vs._Black_People

Belief in what? Belief in black people electing shitty role models? Because that's a FACT. I mean. Jews are always bragging about Einstein and a bunch other smart jewish people and they're rich and a dominant minority wherever they are. Then you have young black people idolizing 50 cent as a role model. WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'LL WANT TO BE WHEN THEY GROW UP?
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In the united states, stupid culture effects everyone. Watch MTV for about fifteen minutes. People in general suffer from self-pity and the worse a position you're at in life the worse it gets. There are shootings, robbings, stabbings where I come from all the fucking time and guess which race is predominantly doing that shit? Not because of being better or worse than anyone else, because they're just the majority in the area and you see more of that color on TV. My little brothers GF's car got stolen a couple months ago and they were quick to blame some black dudes down the road but I'm 90% sure it was one of their white-pill headed friends. That is life. People are shitty and people are good, it has absolutely nothing to do with race. And if you let race hinder you or make you hinder others, you are a fucking racist.

See. BUT YOU DON'T BLAME IT ON RACISM.
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Come on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MWm6bKn8BNQ

Look at the comments. They're hilarious.
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I can't believe this is an actual conversation that is being had in 2012 on GW of all fucking places.
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they're not. they're extremely harrowing.

gargonherd linked me to a thing about joybubbles (famous "phreak" (i hate portmanteaus too)) and it's pretty fascinating. i've always loved reading about cool people with very esoteric but inherently interesting skills or talents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joybubbles

he is a super cool guy
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I don't actually know ANYONE that idolizes 50-cent, black, white, or whatever. He's a god damned moron that happened to become a popular rapper (and he's not very good). That's it.

Anyway. Unfortunately... racism is kind of built into our 'lizard brain'. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean everyone 'rationalizes' their racism. Which is the important distinguishing feature of the kind of racism to condemn, rather than to just *tsk tsk* at when you let a outdated, destructive instinct guide your actions (lizard brain racism). The worst the lizard brain level racism can produce is momentary hesitance of acceptance on another person due to their color but not outright impossibility of acceptance like rationalized racism. Its the tribal thinking of "You're different, I don't like you as much" Chances are though you wont dismiss them as your enemy based on your first split second unless you are simple minded.

In short, yeah, non-racist people aren't desperately trying to not be racist but the older parts (more dickish parts) of their brain doesn't give a fuck that they are rationally not racist. Of course, its also reinforced by culture/society. But Culture and society had to get it from somewhere (tribal caveman age).

There are other things that have a larger effect on our "judging you the split second I see you" brain now-a-days though than race. My guess is that what clothing one wears and their body langauge has a bigger effect on us than race. Especially since clothing covers most of our bodies now, its probably effected our ways of thinking over the ages.

Just because something is of the natural world, doesn't mean its should be legitimized in the civilized one.
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asparagus: worst member of 2012. I'm already calling it.

Welcome back to GW konix.
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This is stupid. If you're black and live in a favela in Rio de Janeiro you can still become middle class through personal effort and by studying etc.
According to one of my best friends, who's a middle-class guy from Rio with whom I've had a lot of conversations about these things, this is bullshit.
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According to one of my best friends, who's a middle-class guy from Rio with whom I've had a lot of conversations about these things, this is bullshit.

It's bullshit if you keep expecting stuff to be given to you by the government without doing anything(typical victim mentality). Also in Rio you can extort money from tourists so it's even easier in there.
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It's bullshit if you keep expecting stuff to be given to you by the government without doing anything(typical victim mentality). Also in Rio you can extort money from tourists so it's even easier in there.

Please just stop talking. Oh GOD please just stop talking.

I didn't realize how bad it was until you just said that sentence, but this is embarrassingly low.

Alright, you're trolling right? You're just fucking with us? That HAS to be it.