don't earl. even we ain't exactly in the same side... *earl's looks blank, then face drops in astonishment as bonzi grinning flips his hidden character card to reveal a... a RENEGADE!?* just a joke, there's no goods and bads here.
if you accept some people, you de facto exclude others. if you accept people who make gross and hostile misogynistic/racist comments you are pushing out others who have zero tolerance for that kind of bullshit. i find it fucking gross to be around and if you don't understand why people like me have zero tolerance for it then you obviously just haven't experienced being the brunt of it. there are plenty of spaces where people like that can say whatever they want. misogyny is very accepted (=the norm) in most spaces. on the other hand, there are very few safe spaces. which kind of space do you want to be?
groan, this is a good post (looks like i need to delay my sleep more) and we're spearheading right into what i wanted to bring about: i'd argue that those reasons weren't the reasons we had defended mince in any way. i find his... antagonism to OP fucking disgusting but we got two overlaying dialogues going on here which makes this topic complicated: if inri should/needed to get banned and who can get banned in a forum (or in a society in general). groan, these weren't exactly the overlaying convos but i mean that i really believe there's lot of misunderstanding+not enough clarificitation here because i can't see how else my more general discussion/more abstract level discussion lead to believe that lot of us is defending inri's action in the name of eg forum activity. in fact, even mine and earl's reasons to defend (hell, i'm CONSIDERING not defending anything for example) inri is totally different.
fuck i had a pretty good idea about whats going on and i swear i'm not trying to blow/dodge this convo into a general discussion.
but has anybody/all considered here for a second that maybe you don't know exactly what the other person knows about injustice or feminism?? are we even using exact same definitions or language here?? because i'm pretty sure we didn't get to the part where we could explore/explain properly what eg i meant about what there is to consider about banning anybody on principles like this in general (there was some good convo i had with panda some time ago which i wanted to talk about) - add to that that some of you already think that i'm fuckin' disgustin', how can i keep ramblin' on... when the case could be that i might ACTUALLY need some more explaining of your (reader's) points about what actually makes this the most justified ban in the whole universe??
like i don't think there's complete of ANYBODY'S side here really. i don't want anybody take up in arm/get on back hoofs for that btw!! i'm trying to get some sleep first!! but if you have patience with me then surely you see what a lovely pup this goblin is...
i only want Velfarre to know that this has got to be a mistake and that she needs to know that ASAP. If she still wants to drop SW in favour of SA for example then sure but not at least without complete understanding of the situation, you understand? but i definitely understand if she felt bad since chauvinism is so permeating everywhere even in smallest things + velfarre is pr. emotionally invested in the issue and reads & understands the issue well + we SEEMED to defend mince or suggest that velfarre to just stomach that shit. idk i didn't mean it that way for sure.
for all i or you know earl, your post (or mine?? fuck i thought that i needed to elaborate my point right back then but i was brainfogged) might have been a little insensitive against this background you know!!? i don't know if this is the case, i'm not judging anybody, fuck i need sleep first and i dont' want you to aggressively defend your stance atm either since that leads to more bickering on whos dunnit and who dont. everybody calms the fuck down right now!!
edit groan i mean keep discussing ofc but don't attack please, it's useless. i awfully left this post without explaining about the overlaying convos that got mixed and now we're all rl ichigos fighting for our lives to save rukia in soul society. i'm sure you all bros understand this imaginary perfectly and nod in agreement immediately, the perfect language wittgenstein only could dream of... even better: right before youre about to launch an assault, listen to hi-fidelity copy/320 mp3 of Marvin Gaye's What's Going On the song on good soundsystem (okay the 192 mp3 is enough) and recite his beautiful voice in ur minds before posting. brother brother brother there's just too many people diein...mother mother mother... become soothed, lose anger... ps: fuckcrypt please don't start throwing darts at my image in your room from now on due to this post. good health, xo, bonzi buddy.