^Yeah, I heard about the gravity shift. I don't like the idea of losing control of my body, but I do really like the idea of having a real trippy experience - something that you'd never experience while not on drugs.

GB - Couple questions. What would you say is the best psychological/trippy/hallucinogenic kind of drug that has had the least bad trips for you? I'm really interested in the trip thing, not getting OMG WASTED or losing control of myself completely but having a crazy and possibly enlightening experience sounds good to me. Is Salvia more of a hallucinogen/psyche drug or more akin to weed?

How long did it take you with weed to get to a stage where you could function totally normally while on weed? I don't love the stuff, but I smoke it every now and then. I like having a blunt and making a beat or writing a song, or watching a movie for example. But I see some people I know and they come over to mine to record, and they can have a few joints beforehand and still sound totally normal, perhaps even better. Everytime I smoke it it's much like being very drunk to me, i'm definitely not acting in the right frame of mind for doing every day things. Is that the case of smoking too much when I do (I usually have quite a bit when I actually do it) or just not doing it regularly enough? I doubt i'd ever get totally into it, but it's something that i've wondered for a while.

Do any of you guys enjoy eating macdonalds after smoking marijuana??

GB - Couple questions. What would you say is the best psychological/trippy/hallucinogenic kind of drug that has had the least bad trips for you? I'm really interested in the trip thing, not getting OMG WASTED or losing control of myself completely but having a crazy and possibly enlightening experience sounds good to me. Is Salvia more of a hallucinogen/psyche drug or more akin to weed?

How long did it take you with weed to get to a stage where you could function totally normally while on weed? I don't love the stuff, but I smoke it every now and then. I like having a blunt and making a beat or writing a song, or watching a movie for example. But I see some people I know and they come over to mine to record, and they can have a few joints beforehand and still sound totally normal, perhaps even better. Everytime I smoke it it's much like being very drunk to me, i'm definitely not acting in the right frame of mind for doing every day things. Is that the case of smoking too much when I do (I usually have quite a bit when I actually do it) or just not doing it regularly enough? I doubt i'd ever get totally into it, but it's something that i've wondered for a while.

First: Bad trips. do. not. happen. I have never actually met someone that wasnt a total fucktard that has ever had a bad trip on anything except like Belladonna. They are pretty much something made up by your neighborhood D.A.R.E. officer to scare little kiddies into not doing drojas. Second, the best drug is Mescaline.

And yeah, it took me about 6 months of smoking 2 - 3 times a week or more to be able to drive just fine while high (truth be told, I didnt get my license until about 4 months after I started up regularly, so yeah it didnt take long), and working high a lot helped with my manual dexterity while high as well. I am a fortunate being in that my eyes don't get red ever. I could have someone blow smoke in my eyes and they wouldnt get red, so except for any strange smells and an occasional slip of the tongue its probably pretty hard to tell if I am high.

Bad trips do happen. I've had a few bad trips on mushrooms, and once on weed.

Bad trips do happen. I've had a few bad trips on mushrooms, and once on weed.

I dont even understand how you could have a bad trip. I mean like yeah if you had something really traumatic happen to you in the week before your trip, or you were in a bad setting, or you listened to some frightening music that you could begin to experience some negative things... but thats why you take steps to avoid that shit. Don't be a retard, plan your trips out in advance to make sure that everything is perfect, and if you aren't completely stable DO NOT TRIP.

but then again I have learned a lot about tripping from mescaline being my psychedelic of choice, so I can control my trips with other drugs with extreme ease. Nothing ever goes wrong for me.

GB - Couple questions. What would you say is the best psychological/trippy/hallucinogenic kind of drug that has had the least bad trips for you? I'm really interested in the trip thing, not getting OMG WASTED or losing control of myself completely but having a crazy and possibly enlightening experience sounds good to me. Is Salvia more of a hallucinogen/psyche drug or more akin to weed?

How long did it take you with weed to get to a stage where you could function totally normally while on weed? I don't love the stuff, but I smoke it every now and then. I like having a blunt and making a beat or writing a song, or watching a movie for example. But I see some people I know and they come over to mine to record, and they can have a few joints beforehand and still sound totally normal, perhaps even better. Everytime I smoke it it's much like being very drunk to me, i'm definitely not acting in the right frame of mind for doing every day things. Is that the case of smoking too much when I do (I usually have quite a bit when I actually do it) or just not doing it regularly enough? I doubt i'd ever get totally into it, but it's something that i've wondered for a while.

 - I'll start by saying that my answer to this question is MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, because everyone reacts differently to different drugs. The most important aspect of any mind altering substance is (mind)SET and SETTING so don't think that one drug will be more likely than another to produce a bad trip.

I'll say that washcycle is definitely wrong; bad trips CAN happen and they DO happen. The only real way to have a bad trip is to forget that you are on a drug which usually only occurs on deleriants like Belladonna or Datura, or on Ketamine or PCP. Forgetting you are on a drug is almost a guaranteed one-way ticket to nightmarish hell-trip country, HOWEVER, this has only happened to me once when I combined datura and marijuana. Otherwise, on most recreational drugs you will always be aware of your intoxication. (it is for this reason that the "out of control" feeling is actually a good thing)

That being said, salvia is NOTHING AT ALL like marijuana. Using concentrated salvia extract will produce extremely strong visual, mental, and tactile stimulations and hallucinations. IMO, your best bet for beginning with psychedelics is either DXM which is legal to buy, or 2C-*, which is like LSD on training wheels.

 - I honestly can't say how long it took before I was able to go about my business stoned, but it wasn't very long. On an average weekday I am stoned from 4:00 until I go to bed and on an average weekend I smoke constantly starting after I take a shower in the morning. I am sure that my ability to function normally comes from my familiarity with intoxication.

Even so, you may want to consider that fact that most of your uneasiness while stoned probably stems from the paranoia that comes with smoking weed. When PARANOIA is listed as a side effect of marijuana, it isn't "OH SHIT THE GOVT IS COMING TO GET ME" kind of paranoia, it's "oh man I think I'm acing weird" kind of paranoia. Once you get over that, you will find that it is a lot easier to do things while you're fucked up.

I don't usually get too paranoid - I have once before; about my third time smoking and it was some really dirty weed (definitely some 'schwag' as was said before) and I had quite a lot of it. I felt good, then suddenly got paranoid as crap and my girlfriend at the time was all "Are you okay? Are you alright?". I basically jumped out of bed and skulled a bunch of water, then just went and had a lie down with her and I felt better. Apart from that I'm usually not too bad. The last time I got really high I was definitely feeling weird, everything felt like it was zooming out away from the computer screen, but I was definitely in control and not freaked out about it.

I'll take your advice - I think the best thing I can do is probably actually try to record and do some music stuff while i'm high first, as it'll still be a relaxed environment and other people will probably be smoking with me. Cheers!

I'm gonna smoke tonight most likely, so i'll try it and let you know if it helped.

Just wondering - is your favourite bong, joint/blunt or something else?

I dont even understand how you could have a bad trip. I mean like yeah if you had something really traumatic happen to you in the week before your trip, or you were in a bad setting, or you listened to some frightening music that you could begin to experience some negative things... but thats why you take steps to avoid that shit. Don't be a retard, plan your trips out in advance to make sure that everything is perfect, and if you aren't completely stable DO NOT TRIP.

but then again I have learned a lot about tripping from mescaline being my psychedelic of choice, so I can control my trips with other drugs with extreme ease. Nothing ever goes wrong for me.

The mind is a complex thing, and there is hardly such a thing as complete stability. There may be parts of your personality you were unaware of, or perspectives you have never really thought from that come up during your trip. It's not 'being retarded' or not planning your trip, these were completely unexpected and next to unpredictable things that occurred. Just because you haven't had a bad trip, doesn't mean they don't exist and other people can't have them.

Finally finished reading the thread - i'm not a big drug/substance man, but i'll put down what I have tried to fill out the thread (it's a great one by the way).


Marijuana - No surprises here. Funnily enough, about half the times i've smoked it i've been drunk out of my mind, so up until recently I didn't have a really good idea of it's effects. When I got drunk and smoked it I usually just felt a lot more drunk, and very relaxed at times. A few weeks ago was the last time I did this; I was at a mates 20th, drank 7-8 beers then had a bottle of Baileys with a friend. I was fairly drunk by this stage, and I went to an after party at a friends house. They were all taking ecstasy (crushing it up and snorting it, mostly, for whatever reason) and eating weed brownies. I was still pretty drunk, so I had a few bowls from a bong and went to go play Halo with the rest of the people there. I had another 2-3 beers and the weed seemed to properly kicked in and I basically lost interest in the actual game, I was just jumping ol' Master Chief in circles while enjoying being really gone. I'm usually pretty good at Halo - at least competitive, but I was at least 20-30 kills behind the competition. Most games (first to 50) everyone would be at least 30 while i'd be down at 5, just jumping around throwing grenades. I got pretty sick shortly after this, which is the downer as far as alcohol/weed mixing goes. The rest of my weed stories range from pretty funny to not special at all so I'll leave it as others would have many better ones. I don't love weed all that much, but most of the times i've had it have been enjoyable. I honestly think the best time I ever smoked it was just some really good stuff that I had while watching New Jack City with a friend.

Quetiapine - This is a prescription one I got my hands on; it's a heavily sedative drug. I had a long plane flight one day (I hate planes) so I just decided i'd get gone off my head before I got on. Probably sounds a bit silly considering I don't usually do this kinda thing in public, but I figured it wouldn't matter cos it was a sedative. I'm pretty scared of tight spaces and heights so planes do not agree with me. I took about 6 mid strength tablets (you're meant to take one before bed, but a lot of patients take the high strength ones, so it was about 3 times above the average dose as far as I know) and got on the plane, expecting my stomach to do its little backflips that it likes to do when the plane takes off. To my surprise, I sorta just felt like I was floating - like I was the plane myself. It didn't feel like other relaxing feelings, it was kinda different, it was almost out of body. I felt very heavy and lethargic, but very happy at the same time. I fell asleep after about 15 minutes, and woke up feeling sluggish as all crap when the plane landed. Was a good experience, but due to the difficulty of trying to acquire them again I don't know if i'll be doing it again any time soon.

Amphetamines - Did this once, wasn't really a fan. Don't know if I had enough but all it did was make me feel very excitable and energetic for a while, really not much to say. Might try it again sometime and see if it just was the dosage.

Benzos (Valium, Xanax etc) - Had a crapload of Valium when I was bored one day to see the effects, had about 13-14 tablets (can't remember the exact strength, they weren't the strongest but they weren't the weakest either). It wasn't like the quetiapine, it was just a really relaxed and nice feeling. Kind of floaty at stages. I went to take a couple more and I passed out shortly after and woke up feeling pretty drowsy. Was a bit angry since I was enjoying myself. I'm not 100% sure on this but you can acquire benzos fairly easily in America, can't you? In Australia they're not so easy to get from my experience, but i'd definitely like to do it again sometime.

Nicotine - I love cigarettes but i'm trying to quit. Nuff said.

Alcohol - I really, really enjoy alcohol. Sure it doesn't taste great, it's expensive and it can make you horribly sick, but I've had so many great times while drunk it'd go against myself to say I don't like it. Thinking of recent memory, I had 30 standard drinks in a night about 3 weeks ago which is about my limit. I didn't get sick but I was embarassingly drunk. I've only blacked out and forgotten what happened the night before twice. Got drunk the first time when I was...13 I think? I only really started drinking properly at about 16 though.


Drugs I want to try: Benzos again, DXM for sure - the whole cough syrup thing seems good to me, LSD/Salvia interest me greatly but i'm prone to a bit of psychosis so i'm worried in that sense. Mushrooms are very high on my list and are probably the next new thing i'd try that's fairly easily available. Ecstasy I will do at some point, it's no trouble to get here, I just haven't been too interested recently I'm really interested in trying a lot of prescription medicines in high doses and some not too heavy hallucinogens.


And now with that done, I think I might go have some weed - this topic has me inspired. I know my list of drugs done is kind of short of most peoples marks, but this topic has been very enlightening.



EDIT: Found the packets in my room for Quetiapine and Valium. I would've done about 300mg of Quetiapine and 30mg of Valium, from what i've read these are fair doses but not really powerful.

The mind is a complex thing, and there is hardly such a thing as complete stability. There may be parts of your personality you were unaware of, or perspectives you have never really thought from that come up during your trip. It's not 'being retarded' or not planning your trip, these were completely unexpected and next to unpredictable things that occurred. Just because you haven't had a bad trip, doesn't mean they don't exist and other people can't have them.

I'm not just speaking from my own experience. I know lots of other people that trip far more regularly than I do (otherwise I wouldnt have access to my drojas), and the only ones I've met that have had bad trips are the ones that are complete fucktards that are like "DUDE ACID OH MY GOD I SAW LITTLE GNOMES DANCING AROUND TRYING TO SELL ME SWEATER VESTS DUDE IT WAS SO SWEEEETTTT!" yeah, no. I'm sure bad trips happen to people when the situation is right, but thats when they lose their respect for the drug and do something stupid like ride in a car on the highway or watch Apocalypse Now or something. If you respect the drug and let it run its course, and you have a responsible sitter you will not have any issues.

and also I think there might be some vagueness as to what a 'bad' trip is. There are frightening trips, and trips where you get paranoid, but these are by no means 'bad' trips in my opinion, bad trips are like where you completely lose it and there is permanent physical or mental damage done to you, or where you begin to have a kind of schizophrenic episode or something. "Seeing God" is certainly a frightening thing and may constitute a bad trip for some, but for me thats par for the course. Taking a knife and gouging yourself to let the angry spirits out would constitute a bad trip.

Cacti (peruvian torch, san pedro) : my alltime favorite. wow. all i can say is its a body trip greater than that of E, and a mind trip powerful enough for it to be mother natures answer to LSD. its also the easiest for me to obtain as its just an order form away, is legal, and i can buy enough to last a long time for less than 100$. its purgative, you will probably throw up, but this is desired. i love cacti. its amazing. i am trying to get out to the desert this winter for a cacti trip. the empathy created from such an experience is strong. its almost a psychic enhancer. the inner vision, and other psychic faculties are greatly enhanced. this stuff is truly medicine. i stand in awe of its power to heal and enlighten.

I know several people who have this same problem, but I have to say I've never had this issue, and I've done both peruvian torch and san pedro, both by just eating the cactus and by extraction/liquification, and I've never thrown up. Though eating san pedro straight was probably the most awful experience of my entire life. Seriously it was horrible... but I kept it down. I must just have stomach lining made of titanium.

Though I am probably gonna get flamed for this... Oh well XD

Only drug I have done and continue to do is caffeine. I am naturally hyper vigilant(look it up) and caffeine makes me even more hyper vigilant than normal. So basically caffeine makes all my senses and reflexes better than normal, but for some reason makes it so I can feel my own pulse even when I am not touching anything and of course I tremble aswell. The more caffeine I have at once the stronger the effect.

After the effects wear off, its usually followed by a feeling of being fatigued and sore. The more caffeine I had the worse the after effects become and for longer. It is possible to overdose to various degrees which I have done before. I once consumed apox 1.3 grams of caffeine within a single drink(multiple caffeine pills mixed in). The effects were pretty bad for me. All my sense were like extremely sensitive, My body fell like it was throbbing so hard/fast it hurt even when I was doing nothing, and I constantly felt like I was gonna hurl. The after effects was basically me curled up in  a ball on my bed sweating for no reason for like 20 hours moaning in pain. I stupidly thought the effects would be limited, and would simply last longer... BIIIIG mistake that I will hopefully never repeat.

Why do I use caffeine? Because if used with good timing(and moderation) can make it easier to take tests or participate in short competitions. It gives me a nice edge when needed, even if the later effects are not quite as appealing. They provide a good check for not using caffeine too often as it really does stress my body to extents it should not be.

I typically try to keep my caffeine consumption within the 100~250mg every few days. Caffeine's "good" effects last for 3-5 hours on me, where the bad effects last 8-24 hours. This being the case I carefully choose when I consume caffeine so it doesn't end up screwing me over.

so you knew, or at least had a feeling, that what you were about to type was a steaming pile of shit?

then

w-why?

also, i am going to get cough syrup with DXM. i live in the uk, though, and i went down to the supermarket where they didn't have anything suitable. i'll try the chemist, tommorrow. also, at this point i want to ask: ought i to have people with me, and how long does it last?

You apparently haven't read the Erowid vaults.  One account involved three friends on LSD who went to see THE RING and got genuinely freaked out, went back home, and one of them got paranoid and ended up  killing his friend by smashing his head with a lamp.  Some people don't understand that a psychedelic trip puts you in a very sensitive state.

I actually did acid for the second time on Thursday, and it was pretty cool.  As with most drugs, the comedown makes me feel like shit, but I was fully recovered by the next evening.

you also missed all my points about dumbfuck people that have no respect for the drugs that they are taking. And also if one were to completely dissociate from reality on LSD one should not ever be allowed to do drugs again. ever.

oh and also GB did you ever have problems controlling the volume of your voice when high when you first started smoking? Seriously, it took me FOREVER to realize that I was like literally shouting at people when I was high, and I have no idea why I was shouting, and I didnt know it until much later, but I fuckin cut that shit out quick when I realized I was doing it.

No, but something i found out last night was that when my lungs are full of shisha smoke (mango... delicious) I sound exactly like Andre the Giant AKA Fezzik from Princess Bride. I spent all night saying "Anybody wanna peanut?"

It was pretty hilarious

also, i am going to get cough syrup with DXM. i live in the uk, though, and i went down to the supermarket where they didn't have anything suitable. i'll try the chemist, tommorrow. also, at this point i want to ask: ought i to have people with me, and how long does it last?

If you think you might need a sitter then you should probably have one. Trip duration varies greatly from person to person, so be prepared for a long trip but don't be surprised if the duration is shorter than you expected. The longest DXM trip I have ever had lasted about four hours, starting from when I first noticed the effects.

I cannot stress enough the importance of using Tussin medication WITHOUT ACETOMINOPHEN. Taking Robo with APAP will result in a slow and excruciatingly painful death.

Also avoid large amounts of guafesin as it may cause you to vomit.

Also avoid large amounts of guafesin as it may cause you to vomit.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that DXM might make you crap a lot. It doesn't happen to me (guiafenesin doesn't make me barf either) but it happens a lot in erowid trip reports.