Could someone tell me more about cacti?

Like where to get it, how much they cost, what exactly happens etc?

(Also Nitrous Oxide was great fun!)

cacti. where to get it ?

everywhere. i have already posted 1 good source. you should be able to get san pedro and peruvian torch cacti off ebay, other websites, and stores such as home depot and leows, when its the right season.

Mescaline, is the active ingredient in most hallucinogenic cacti. personally, its might favorite. words do not do the experience justice but i will attempt to describe it.



first you feel a slight warmth, yet a chill. (dont ask me how, this is a drug of paradoxes.) its very relaxing at first, and you will feel very lethargic. i have even seen people fall asleep at this point! for the first hour or two you go from extremely heavy and lethargic, to light and energetic, as if you had a bit of stimulation. i remember walking extremely softtly, for no reason, as if i didnt want to step too hard on the floor. for a while it almost seems like you are slightly sedated, and nothing is really happening, but around the 2 and a half our mark - ZANG. an array of shards shoot out from every single light source. Colors are magnificent. the way colors blend, and shift in light is just awe inspiring. every shade where colors blend into each other seems to glow with an almost neon iridescene. your mind becomes very "clear" and there isnt an assault of thought patterns like with mushrooms or acid. its a very spiritual, communal feeling. you feel connected to everything, even inatimate objects take on an extreme importance or meaning. when you are out in nature you cant help but feel one with everything living, and breathing. i get chills just thinking about it.

but anyways on to the preperation!
you can make cactus tea ( i dont recommend this  ​)

or you can get dried cactus(or dry your own), and do an extraction ( highly recommended)

for the less chemically inclined you can do an alcohol extraction with everclear or iso alcohol. very simple.
http://psychonauts.tribe.net/thread/c7b632fd-9733-4b1d-be4e-ef79969e97fe

or if you want a "purer" product. you can use this simple acid/base extraction. very worthwhile, as the result is beautiful mescaline hydrocholoride crystals.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4751368#4751368
(you will have to become a member of tthe shroomery to learn the full extraction, sorry.  )

LARS


Thanks for the info. I was wondering if the 2c-b would have a different name on the streets or a more common name or something. And also if snorting it was more intense then if I were to ingest it orally would I be taking more then a 20mg dose or are the orally ingested doses and the snorting doses the same it just takes more time to hit you if you ingest it orally?

2c-b really does not have a lot of street names. I've never met anyone that calls it anything else than 2c-b, although www.erowid.org says it has a few street names but I dunno where those applies to (street names are really local, so one name one place might be incorrect some other place). Note that bromo-dragonfly is an entirely different drug (3c-b-x or something) and I believe it is a bit heavier than 2c-b (one guy died from shooting it not long ago in Norway, 'causing a huge lash on Research Chemicals in the press :/ )

Anyway 20mg is a pretty intense trip if taken nasally, I recommend 15-17mg, but it can be hard to dose right.

If you take it orally you should as a general rule add 5mg. So if you want an intense trip you'd do 25, or if you want a good but not so intense you'd do 20mg. I've never done it orally but that's pretty much what my supplier told me.

Oral is also supposedly a somewhat different experience. When snorting you become completely asexual whereas people often feel erotic when taking it orally.

I can't say that I understand any of this. I have been straight most of my life, only drinking alcohol on special occasions and never going overboard with it, and I'm even 100% caffeine-free. I have only one vice, that being cigarettes. I can't say I'm proud of that, nor can I say I plan to quit any time soon. I've already decided that I will quit for someone special, and as soon as she enters my life, I'll discard the rest and be completely drug-free. Though that's a strange term to use, since a lot of people don't consider nicotine a drug, but I do, and I happen to be the only one that counts. :-D

I tried weed several times in college. It had no effect whatsoever, besides a bad smell. I tried hash once, and THAT did the trick. I promptly quit all of that after watching too many brilliant people throw their lives away. To top everything off, my brother asked his fiancee to quit using or he would be forced to leave, and she chose drugs over him. And he loved her more than anything.

So I'm hoping you can understand how insane this all sounds to me. Part of me wants to respond to this topic in anger. However, I am not an angry person by any means. Plus, due to my own cigarette habit, I can't respond that way because it would be hypocritical. Part of me wants to understand why. However, I don't think I really want to know the answer. And part of me, the part that's winning, says it's their lives, let them do as they wish, no matter how stupid it sounds to me. The whole discussion just makes me sad, and I wasn't even going to post, but I felt I owed it to some people to say something.

So, I guess, if I had a question, it would be, do you ever wonder what your life would've been like if you'd never done drugs at all?

PAW

P.S. There are undoubtedly those of you who cannot LIVE without their fourteen coffees a day who think I'm absolutely crazy for being caffeine-free. If you'd like, I can post my own personal testimonial on why I'd recommend it to every last person on Earth.

I can't say that I understand any of this. I have been straight most of my life, only drinking alcohol on special occasions and never going overboard with it, and I'm even 100% caffeine-free. I have only one vice, that being cigarettes. I can't say I'm proud of that, nor can I say I plan to quit any time soon. I've already decided that I will quit for someone special, and as soon as she enters my life, I'll discard the rest and be completely drug-free. Though that's a strange term to use, since a lot of people don't consider nicotine a drug, but I do, and I happen to be the only one that counts. :-D

I tried weed several times in college. It had no effect whatsoever, besides a bad smell. I tried hash once, and THAT did the trick. I promptly quit all of that after watching too many brilliant people throw their lives away. To top everything off, my brother asked his fiancee to quit using or he would be forced to leave, and she chose drugs over him. And he loved her more than anything.

So I'm hoping you can understand how insane this all sounds to me. Part of me wants to respond to this topic in anger. However, I am not an angry person by any means. Plus, due to my own cigarette habit, I can't respond that way because it would be hypocritical. Part of me wants to understand why. However, I don't think I really want to know the answer. And part of me, the part that's winning, says it's their lives, let them do as they wish, no matter how stupid it sounds to me. The whole discussion just makes me sad, and I wasn't even going to post, but I felt I owed it to some people to say something.

So, I guess, if I had a question, it would be, do you ever wonder what your life would've been like if you'd never done drugs at all?

PAW

P.S. There are undoubtedly those of you who cannot LIVE without their fourteen coffees a day who think I'm absolutely crazy for being caffeine-free. If you'd like, I can post my own personal testimonial on why I'd recommend it to every last person on Earth.

I'd really like to take caffeine out of my diet entirely. It doesn't even give me an energy boost. As for your other questions, I used to be VERY anti-drugs, but now I am very pro-drugs as long as they are used responsibly. I think I would be very much the same person without drugs. I have never had an experience with drugs that gave me a huge revelation or even pushed me in a direction I wasn't already headed. I really see myself getting bored of drugs eventually even.

Drugs aren't the problem. A problem exists within a person and it can manifest into drug abuse or into self destruction or eating or any other number of bad habits. For instance, I had a really hard time emotionally from the beginning of 9th grade till about the beginning of 12th (this year). I started using drugs the summer in between 10th and 11th grade. I was very careful not to let myself slip into addiction, but I would definitely seek booze or drugs when I was sad, but now I use drugs purely recreational. My view of the drugs and how I treat them have changed because I have changed.

There are lots of people that I know personally that use drugs that do not throw their lives away and are not junkies. I also know people that are junkies and my brother has been in and out of rehab for a year and a half now. People that find their lives lacking often turn to drugs because it is an easy way to experience pleasure.

omacatl's extraction processes for mescaline are all kinda involved

the easiest thing to do is just cut up the cactus spines and all and blend them in a food processor or blender with like 2 parts cactus to 1 part water in a food processor rough chop or 1 part water to 1 part cactus in a blender and then boil the mixture down in a big soup kettle until it gets pretty thick, and then strain it through clean towel or a tshirt (do not use cheesecloth) and the resulting brew is pretty fuckin potent.

I mean if you're not man enough to drink 8 fluid ounces of straight up cactus juice or mix it in with orange juice or something then go with one of his fancy alcohol extraction methods, but my method is by far the easiest and least time consuming (i've prepared cactus at least 2 or 3 different ways)

I would also like to mention that my method involves me taking an evening to create the brew, smoking pot while simmering the brew, chilling out that night, and then my test dosage is to measure out 4 fl oz of the brew and see what that does immediately after the process is finished (yes it is still warm omacatl dont puke) then I put it in the freezer for an hour and move it to the fridge overnight.

the next day, I get up whenever, but I make sure that a) I am active all day long and b) I eat as little as possible. Then around like 6:30 or 7 pm I drink what I feel to be a full dosage of the brew, and then about an hour later I drink half that again. My method as far as tiring myself and depriving myself of food causes the trip to come on earlier (around 90 minutes after first ingestion) and more intensely as well, but it levels off severely unless I take that second dosage. After the second dosage has set in its usually about 9:30, and anywhere from about 9:45 to 10:15  stuff that isnt supposed to happen to people on mescaline happens to me. Last time I tripped I saw the severed heads of mystic writers floating through the air in front of my face. That particular brew was extremely strong for some reason and I would say between the two dosages I took, I was looking at something like a 900+ mg hit of mescaline. It was actually like... frightening.

I've tried doing it later at night, but I usually fall asleep before I get to the good shit and just have really colorful dreams... that arent as good as real tripping so I prefer to start earlier in the evening.

i have tried the cactus tea route. the first time nothing happened, except i got nasueas. i probably used a weak specimen. the second time i made tea, it was from dried cactus. it worked but youch. puking and general stomach grind from all the cactus material in my stomach. an alcohol extraction is fairly simple, and only takes a few hours if you use a heat source. its just soaking, agitating, filtering, evaporating and as a result you have much less material to work with. some people, like myself, enjoy the aesthetics of having pure mescaline crystal for accurate dosing that comes from a more complex acid/base extraction. of course this is purely just preference, different strokes for different folks but note there is a difference between supposing you ate a 900mg dose and actually extracting and measuring out a 900 mg dose. it is also a lot easier to store and transport a mere gram of powder than it is a bottle of cactus tea.  ​. either way, mescaline cacti are my favorite entheogen.

ok, well on erowid at the top of the page after you click the 2c-b thing it has a few names, the one I actually recognize is mescaline. Is that just a drug thats like 2c-b or is that a common name for it?

The nickname stated on Erowid is Bromo Mescaline, not Mescaline. It's kind of like GHB being called Liquid Ecstasy; It's just slang because someone figured they're kinda similar (what?) and people that's familiar with Mescaline/Ecstasy might be interested in testing an alternative version of what they've heard of.

I can't say that I understand any of this. I have been straight most of my life, only drinking alcohol on special occasions and never going overboard with it, and I'm even 100% caffeine-free. I have only one vice, that being cigarettes. I can't say I'm proud of that, nor can I say I plan to quit any time soon. I've already decided that I will quit for someone special, and as soon as she enters my life, I'll discard the rest and be completely drug-free. Though that's a strange term to use, since a lot of people don't consider nicotine a drug, but I do, and I happen to be the only one that counts. :-D

I think most of the people posting in here to do count alcohol, nicotine and caffeine as a drug. Hell, I even consider chocolate one.

I tried weed several times in college. It had no effect whatsoever, besides a bad smell. I tried hash once, and THAT did the trick. I promptly quit all of that after watching too many brilliant people throw their lives away. To top everything off, my brother asked his fiancee to quit using or he would be forced to leave, and she chose drugs over him. And he loved her more than anything.

Your brother did not respect her use of something she considers critical to the person she is. He tried to restrict her freedom to do what she wanted with our own consciousness. And by the way you present it, she only smoked weed. Did he have ONE good reason why she should quit? The only one I can think of has to do with kids, since the government can take away your kids if you smoke weed. But they didn't have kids yet, now did they?

Now, remember that using these drugs might be an important part of who we are. People that use alcohol every weekend certainly understand that if they were not allowed to drink every weekend they would maybe build up things they weren't allowed to vent, and alcohol being a chance to get it all out in the weekend. They realise that this affects (in a minimal degree) what kind of person they are.

It works the same way with every drug, including weed, caffeine, chocolate, alcohol, ecstasy, psychedellics in general and the dreaded 'hard drugs'.

Smoking weed was an important part of who she was, and it probably made her life easier, as she was mentally able to let go and become at peace with oneself. Most of us have methods of venting and reviewing aspects of our lives. It's better that she smokes weed to do so, than to let shit build up, because letting shit build up makes you pretty fucking unhappy. And if that's the way weed worked for her, then your brother pretty much asked her to abandon her thing in life that makes her in peace, or him. Add in the fact that he was adding what to me and therefore to her a completely unacceptable need for control over her life and I don't see how she could ever choose him. Love is not about finding the person that most applies to your tastes and then force her into completely applying to them.

So I'm hoping you can understand how insane this all sounds to me. Part of me wants to respond to this topic in anger. However, I am not an angry person by any means. Plus, due to my own cigarette habit, I can't respond that way because it would be hypocritical. Part of me wants to understand why. However, I don't think I really want to know the answer. And part of me, the part that's winning, says it's their lives, let them do as they wish, no matter how stupid it sounds to me. The whole discussion just makes me sad, and I wasn't even going to post, but I felt I owed it to some people to say something.

Now this is where you become a fucking asshole. Fuck you. How the hell do you know that YOUR CHOICES are the right? Your cigarette habit can not be compared to this in any way. You're what, ADDICTED to cigarettes? That means you're body and mind NEEDS CIGARETTES TO WORK.

Ok but never mind all this. Here's what I'd like to know. What do you think is so wrong about using psychedellic drugs, apart from your obvious bias against it (that "it's their lives" etc pretty much spills your beans)? It's not nearly as dangerous as you'd think.

Psychedellic drugs generally are not deadly. They're not addictive. We're not talking about cocaine, speed or heroin here. We're talking about drugs that DO NOT ALLOW AN ESCAPE FROM REALITY. Psychedellic drugs work as an amplifier to your own psyche, often combined with a lightshow and weird views that your own mind design to amplify that experience.

I have an example. One time I did MDMA there was a guy there who spent all day playing WoW. He seemed pretty stable and happy with his view. Whenever anyone asked him wether he should go out socialising he was like "I don't see the point" etc and backing up his view with pretty good points about why he shouldn't (I can't remember them now, since I only met him once and was never impressed, but I do remember seeing the logic in what he said). He seemed to completely be in control of his choice to use 15 hours a day in front of that computer doing that and never socialising.

Ok now, he was randomly the housemate of some people I was doing drugs with one night. We were gonna do MDMA, and by chance he was curious and went up and asked what the fuzz was all about. When he knew we were all gonna try MDMA, and a lot of us first-timers (including me) he was like 'cool' and wanted to watch, so he sat down. (We had not yet taken the capsules). Anyway, as the capsules arrived my friend asked him to leave, because as a general rule we don't want people not taking anything to watch us take stuff. And he was like, didn't want to miss this shit so he went "Ah what the hell, let me buy one too."

Once his kicked in, he felt very uneasy. He obviously had some trouble with some emotional stuff, and looked pretty miserable. I was halfway concerned he was having a bad trip and would never touch this shit again. In fact, I was wondering wether MDMA wasn't such a great drug after all. All these thoughts were half-assed from my POV since I was pretty much in a very happy place so I didn't give it too much thought. As his trip became less intense he just talked and talked to this guy about all his problems and how his life is incomplete and how unhappy he is. At that moment I was tripping on 2c-b and found the conversation to be extremely boring (considering that 2c-b relies on the mood it could've made me go into an unhappy place as well, so I fled the scene).

I heard a few months later that after that night he decided to get his life back on track. He quit WoW and managed to get good grades on his exams (as opposed to earlier efforts, due to his addiction) and after the term he moved home so he could get closer to his family again. He also started socialising a lot, and felt that even though he was not very good socially, he needed to get better because he had realised that nothing is more important than having other people in your life.


Now that's the kind of shit that happens on these drugs. Most of the time, it's only minor stuff and fun, but psychedellics are NOT AN ESCAPE in contrary to your neo-fascist views. If there's anything on your mind, it WILL be amplified. And it will most likely make you more aware of who you are and what you need and make up your mind about moving towards your own happiness. For me, as stupid as this may sound, it actually made me focus less on studies and more on music, because that's what I love to do, and even if I'm not that great at it, I realised that experimenting with sound and trying to make soundscapes is the best thing in my life atm, and I should make the most of it while it lasts. Comments telling me to shut up because I suck may ensue. But that's what I feel, and it's what makes ME happy.

Another good examples is the fact that addicts (to heroin, speed etc) don't like psychedellics since it amplifies their problems, and they don't have an easy way out. They just realise they have to quit and since they're so deep into their addiction (and the lifestyle, remember that at this point it's the only way of life they know) that they become depressed.

I'm not going to claim that psychedellics are 100% safe either. People occacionally die from it. That's why MDMA has a bad rep, because unlike alcohol, teenagers are in a danger zone. With alcohol, health and a good liver will keep you alive. With MDMA, hyperthermia, dehydration and hyperhydration can be deadly, and teenagers are especially vulnerable to this. Yet, in 2005 only 80 people had ever died from MDMA in UK so it's not really that dangerous, it's just that since kids are the most likely to die it becomes a national scandal (after all, the media won't care if a 50-year old died from a drug, but once a 15-20-year old does, it's all over the newspapers).

So, I guess, if I had a question, it would be, do you ever wonder what your life would've been like if you'd never done drugs at all?

PAW

P.S. There are undoubtedly those of you who cannot LIVE without their fourteen coffees a day who think I'm absolutely crazy for being caffeine-free. If you'd like, I can post my own personal testimonial on why I'd recommend it to every last person on Earth.

My life would probably be the same except I'd never realise a few things. I'd probably still drink way more than I should (I actually used to drink a lot more before, often taking litre bottles of booze to parties, whereas I now often drink 4-6 pints, besides also reducing from two-three times a week to two-three times a month).

But the most important thing is, that I'm a free person. I choose to do with my mind and my body as I will. If I want to have a good time, I don't want it to be restricted to watching sitcoms, to drinking alcohol etc. I'm sure you would agree, deep experiences are way more worthwhile (and fun) than shallow. And that's just what psychedellics are. The deepest fucking experience you can imagine (well, depends on the drug, set and setting, but it's way deeper than spending your day playing videogames).

I don't ever hurt anyone or myself, and I'm perfectly capable of not doing anything criminal. I'm currently studying to be an engineer so I don't need your prejudice that drug users are dumb fucks or anything like that. I've always been a responsible person and I don't see how this is a contradiction to this, in fact this very topic is a golden example of how responsibly we're all taking the drug-using. We're talking about effects, dosage, what to watch out for, what to do if things go wrong, etc. We're extremely careful and spend 20+hours reading about new drugs we're going to try. We find datas on known cases of deaths and damage and find out what went wrong and what not to do. So yeah, go ahead and live in your little bubble about how bad and dangerous and self-destructive this is. That's not the point. I don't fucking care if you hate me for doing ecstasy. What I do care about, is you take your time to write that shitty post about your cigarette addiction and your dominating brother and then decide to judge people based on your views, which are probably 100% based on the shit you've heard from the media and propaganda system. People wasting their lives on hash, give me a fucking break you fucking piece of shit. How dare you, filled to the fucking brim with prejudice, and a fucking whiner, tell me how to live my life? You're no better than those people in high school that thought "having good grades is nerdy". You're exact fucking same just in the opposite end of the specter. YOUR VIEWS MEAN SHIT. THE END.

Oh, and I can definately tell you this: You may think that the happiness obtained is phony. Well, ANY happiness you can EVER obtain from materialism (apart from having enough to support your family) will never be as real as the insights that psychedellics can give you. I'm not saying you're a materialist, but hey, if you're going to judge someone, who to judge? Materialism has ruined, and keeps on ruining, way more lives than drugs could ever do. Including the materialism directly linked to drugs, whose existence is based on the illegality.