somebody's drunk!

I dont think (or remember) that hemingway and faulkner wrote in stream of consciousness because they were like literary giants or whatever geniuses ahead of their time akinto like eistein in 1905 like SPACERNDTIME R THE SAME THING WOAH

I think they were just really drunk

and couldnt figure out how to correctly construct paragraphs, use punctuation grammar or a typewriter

If it wasn't evident in the actual books I don't understand why the hell this matters now at all.

It doesn't - as spacelion earlier mentioned Rowling seems to have been planning a sort of Harry Potter encyclopedia full of neat-o but ultimately irrelevant facts for the fans to enjoy. Dumbledore's sexuality is on the same level as arguing whether or not Balrog has wings or what color Legolas's hair is - the difference being that as regards to Dumbledore we now have Word Of God and are going to have a shitload of illicit fanfiction.

But I suppose the point of this thread is now to debate Rowling's motives in making this revelation?

Maybe it's to answer the question that was asked about his relationship status, if he ever found true love, etc. I mean, now that the series is over, it doesn't really matter if people find out.

But she probably thought for a split second whether she should give it away now or not, and it was a way to draw in the audience for her upcoming book. Like, "WHO ELSE is gay in Harry Potter world??!" "Are there OTHER interesting secrets or cool facts we never knew??" "I bet so and so also had a crush on so and so..." Etc etc...

He's gay. Big whoop. I actually figured that before the 'unveiling'. I won't say that it's obvious, but it's there if you look. And you're right, it is a kids book, so it doesn't really focus on the relationship side of things other than making out, even with the hetro relationships.

It's not like she deliberately led us to believe that he was straight. Come on - he's one of a few of the elder wizards/witches that don't have a spouse. There was always going to be a chance that someone was gay (I'd pegged Charlie Weasley and Dumbledore myself. 1 out of 2 ain't bad.)

Besides, he isn't going to be mooning over every male in the immediate area, because being gay is about loving someone of the same gender. Love strikes where it will, people. And the one he loved is dead. That's not to say that he doesn't feel love for others, but no others are mentioned.

I always figured that Dumbledore and Harry's relationship was that of Mentor/Student + Grandfather/Grandson. Innocent.

Yeah throughout the text there were subtle hints where Rowling would just say dumbledore "prepared his robe and traversed to the council" and similiar things. There are also several subtexts, Dumbledore often mentions the number 5 in his musings, which can be as simple as the random noting of the time etc.

There's also strong hints towards his thelemic philosophies, and undoubtedly as the headmaster of the most prestigious school of magick entertained tantric rites, and combining these two predicts a necessarily homosexual, or more specifically bisexual sexuality.

Even in the earlier books his devience can be seen. It once talks of him drinking a "strange potion," and the season was set elsewhere as spring, so this was undoubtedly a challice prepared specifically for the spring equinox, which is usually a mix of blood and semen.

There are other really obvious things, and it's clear even from the movie. I knew it instantly just from his name:

Albus Dumbledore. Albus is obviously derived from Aldus, in reference to the author "Aldus Huxley." Swapping the d for a b, it's symetrical opposite in the middle of the name signifies a reversal of Huxlian attitudes (Huxley is most famous for his book "brave new world," so this opposition in itself is representative of his adherence to the old ways (homosexuality has existed since evil men could rub their dicks together)) and also a reversal of the staunch heterosexual that Aldus was (though this is questionable in doors of perception).  Dumbledore is extremely significant. It is the phonetic twin of the kabbalic "Gjomblei-gjore" but made with exactly 10 letters. This is fairly obvious in itself so I won't go too far into these details.

There's numerous other references which make it very clear the family of magicks that Dumbledore subscribes to, mostly crowlean, with numerous references to thelema (as mentioned earlier, the golden dawn, and Rowling is even so blatent as to have a spell "Avada Kedavra."

It's pretty easy to pick this stuff up if you've escaped what me and my friend call "the loop of mediocrity" and ascend above the level of such mindless childrens books readers to find the ultimate truth of our advanced philosophy of situational relativism.

Man since when did you become an early 20th century occult expert

(but also... interesting insight even if you present your opinion as though it is fact)

I don't see what the big fucking fuss is about - someone asked a question and she told them.  Here is, apparently, a more accurate transcript of the event:

The question was: Did Dumbledore, who believed in the prevailing power of love, ever fall in love himself?

JKR: My truthful answer to you... I always thought of Dumbledore as gay. [ovation.] ... Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was. To an extent, do we say it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent, but he met someone as brilliant as he was, and rather like Bellatrix he was very drawn to this brilliant person, and horribly, terribly let down by him. Yeah, that's how I always saw Dumbledore. In fact, recently I was in a script read through for the sixth film, and they had Dumbledore saying a line to Harry early in the script saying I knew a girl once, whose hair... [laughter]. I had to write a little note in the margin and slide it along to the scriptwriter, "Dumbledore's gay!" [laughter] If I'd known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!

Man since when did you become an early 20th century occult expert

(but also... interesting insight even if you present your opinion as though it is fact)

You say it isn't fact, but the facts are right there in front of you!  Climbtree's pretty good at what he does, you know.

I don't see what the big fucking fuss is about - someone asked a question and she told them.  Here is, apparently, a more accurate transcript of the event:

You say it isn't fact, but the facts are right there in front of you!  Climbtree's pretty good at what he does, you know.

but when he says things like Albus is 'obviously' a switching of Aldus as in Aldus Huxley and the chalice was 'undoubtably' filled with blood and semen

it is possible that you know.. these things arent actually in fact true

Prove it.

Climbtree is more than likely right, since JK Rowling said herself that she has always had meanings behind all the character's names.  Such as Dumbledore's middle name.

albus dumbledore (a dumbledore is a bee...which pollinates FLOWERS much like a fairy coincidence????you decide) has 15 letters so does "i love gay sex fuck".

say his name backwards really fast and you hear the sounds of an asshole being plumbed.

watch the entire harry potter movie (the only one to not betray canon, the first) with chinese subtitles and NOTICE....when dumbledore is on screen at 1:46:14 his title is great gay warlock.

it hink it all speaks for itself....

albus dumbledore (a dumbledore is a bee...which pollinates FLOWERS much like a fairy coincidence????you decide) has 15 letters so does "i love gay sex fuck".

say his name backwards really fast and you hear the sounds of an asshole being plumbed.

watch the entire harry potter movie (the only one to not betray canon, the first) with chinese subtitles and NOTICE....when dumbledore is on screen at 1:46:14 his title is great gay warlock.

it hink it all speaks for itself....

interesting.  try stringing the first letter of every word on page 116 starting with "...to him, ever solemn..." and ending with "... little, or worse..." and you should get: the sounds of his screams of pleasure were muffled as he bit the pillow.  you'll also notice that the paragraph where this message is hidden involves both Dumbledore and Harry.  Coincidence?

also, look at chapter 9 (often considered a gay number).  notice how the paragraphs alternate between short and long?  it's morse code.  i haven't fully translated it yet, but so far i have "brokeback mountain has nothing on this shit stop dumbledore was the bear stop..."

try it out sometime!  i'm sure you'll find that the harry potter series is filled with hidden messages with little to no relevance to the actual story.  did you know that hermione was sexually molested by her uncle as a child?  hell yeah.

It's Aldous, not Aldus, Huxley...I'm fairly certain that Climbtree was joking....and I believe that Dangerousned has given to us the most convincing evidence so far!

Also:  Dumbledore is gay?  Even my fictional role models fail me!

Being gay makes him fail?
Why can't a gay person be your role model?

It seems so weird that she would even bother to identify his sexuality at all. I mean, Dumbledore's sexuality has nothing at all to do with the story in any way, which is why it was hardly even hinted at all in the books. Why bother to announce this later?

I mean, it's not like it's a big deal one way or the other, but it seems weird that she would even bother to mention or specify Dumbledore's sexuality--especially after the series has come to a close.

but when he says things like Albus is 'obviously' a switching of Aldus as in Aldus Huxley and the chalice was 'undoubtably' filled with blood and semen

it is possible that you know.. these things arent actually in fact true

it is SO OBVIOUS. Any equinox ritual is going to involve the creation and consumption of blood and semen, it may have something else in there as well but it is going to have blood and semen, whether he subscribes to tantric based magicks or even simply wiccan ritual.

Here's a fact for you, Rowling is an author, she would have come across Aldus (I refuse to call him 'Aldous' like the unenlightened) Huxley's work. This is a fairly obvious connection. She also admitted in an interview with the sun times (September 2004) that she did mescaline in her youth with her late partner.

It's Aldous, not Aldus, Huxley.

You just have no idea on kabbalic formulas do you, I'm not even going to dignfy this.

If you read back through this topic you'll find a tonne of people that knew Dumbledore was gay BEFORE the announcement, so it's obviously not something she's just made up.

If you read back through this topic you'll find a tonne of people that knew Dumbledore was gay BEFORE the announcement, so it's obviously not something she's just made up.

It is actually hinted at in the novels, so you're right. But, it was hardly mentioned at all. Still, you're correct. My brother told me about this yesterday, and he mentioned that he kind of thought it might be the case, but sort of brushed it off until he heard this news. Once he heard about it, he said that it was actually kind of obvious, in retrospect.

ktt is unable to tell fake post from reality anymore...