Well haI raise the question; why NOT remove the dead weight from society to make it better?

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Matthew 7:1-5

If I wanted to be compassionate, I would have said the girl should be destroyed as well since she probably wont carry her own weight in society... ever. Such a person is merely a hindrance that wastes time and resources.

lol at this statement.

I literally don't understand how believe something like that...

I had to read it like 10 times because I was sure I was missing something.

Also, in regards to the original topic.  I think the sentence was too harsh (obviously).  While the action was despicable I can't condone sending a child away to jail for such an extreme amount of time.

I think instead of jail he should have been sent to a mental health facility where they could monitor him and see what made him do it.

wait guys i just watched Halloween in my film class and if that movie is any indication this kid is nuts and will go on a murdering spree as soon as he's released

xaviar was right let's just kill him

Person #1: "Hey, this girl just got raped, beat up and torn apart!"
Person #2: "Poor child..."
XaviarCraig: "OH NO! Mercy me, oh lord no. The girl must be put down. Right now. HOW, OH HOW CAN SHE EVER LIVE WITH THE BURDEN OF BEING *CHUCKLE* BIASED!!!!11!! Oh and on a sidenote, KILL THE M*TH*RF*CK*R WHO DID IT!!!!1!!!"
Everyone: O_O



Woah.
Jesus Christ. Man, I really hope you aren't serious, because if you ARE then I really fucking lost my hope for humanity.

If I wanted to be compassionate, I would have said the girl should be destroyed as well since she probably wont carry her own weight in society... ever. Such a person is merely a hindrance that wastes time and resources.

Haha, wow. That is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say.
Something similar happened to me when I was around 5-6, minus getting beaten up/nearly killed (although I have been beaten up worse than that too, when I was... 9 maybe 10 some kid threw a stone at me, I grabbed a handful and threw them in his general direction, and hit some man in the process, the guy jumped on the roof I was on, which was about as high as a 2nd story window, beat me up and then threw me off of it, onto a solid concrete floor). Maybe it is because I am a male and males think differently from females, but I don't really care. It happened 14-15 years ago and I hardly even remember anything about it, other than one of my aunts friends kidnapped me and did dirty things to me (she was around 18 at the time). But I guess because that happened to me I am a hinderance to society and a waste of time/resources and I should be destroyed or something?
Sorry to inform you, but not only do I have a job and pay taxes, but I don't think I have ever required more time and "resources" anywhere. Not in school, not in my everyday life and not in my workplace.

:[ Maybe I should go and kill myself now because when I was younger some hot older woman decided to snatch me away and fiddle around with me. (Haha, personally I wish more older women would snatch me away and fiddle around with me!!)
But seriously, other than maybe giving me a disliking for teenage girls in general I don't think what happened to me has effected me in any way at all and definately not in such a serious way that would require me to be removed from society (and the world!).

Anyway. If you ask me the punishment the kid got was way to harsh. Getting out of prison by the time he is 21 isn't harsh enough, but putting him in prison for what could be the rest of his life is way to harsh. I've seen people commit worse crimes than that, a lot worse, and they've gotten off with a lot less.

Because we are all human beings and we deserve to be treated as such. We are (or should be) exempt from receiving inhumane punishment, such as death, when we do something wrong.

Actually, here is something I've been meaning to ask for a while now. What exactly makes death an inhumane punishment? Hell, I'll go further, what makes death a punishment in the first place? I mean, I can understand why we as a society would evolve to beleive death is a bad thing, since the people who beleive it are more likely to live long enough to have kids and pass the beleif onto them. But do we actually have an objective basis for which to judge the act of deing as "wrong"? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should be justified in killing people, I'm just saying is there any information out there that shows us we aren't doing the guy a favor by killing him (I know nobody here would want the guy to die if it turned out death was actually a good thing!),

death is a punishement because nobody wants to die, I think it's that simple.
of course there is people who want to,but to them it wouldn't be a punishement, right?

of course it's a punishement, not a legal one around here, but still a punishement, going to bed without dessert is a punishement aswell.

Well, what you're doing is not just robbing someone of his life, but also of his ability to enjoy life, his ability to procreate, his ability to better his life and make up for his mistakes, as well as his ability to finish whatever he wanted to do while alive. That's not exactly a nice prospect. And you can't ever undo it; even when it's been proven that the person you executed was not guilty.

The reason why it's inhumane, though, is not only because of this, but also because every human being has a right to life, and nobody should have the authority to take that away.* This is a well-known concept that is present in several human rights treaties as well.How do you "know"? Like I posted before, a punishment is not just about retribution. Its main reasons include incapacitation, deterrence and rehabilitation as well.

It's a bit more complicated than just taking revenge on the perpetrator.

*: The "right to life" should not be misinterpreted as a "duty to live".

I think he was actually saying 'what makes life better than death' since none of us knows what happens in death. It could be gum drops and lollipops and therefore not a punishment at all.

Actually, here is something I've been meaning to ask for a while now. What exactly makes death an inhumane punishment? Hell, I'll go further, what makes death a punishment in the first place? I mean, I can understand why we as a society would evolve to beleive death is a bad thing, since the people who beleive it are more likely to live long enough to have kids and pass the beleif onto them. But do we actually have an objective basis for which to judge the act of deing as "wrong"? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should be justified in killing people, I'm just saying is there any information out there that shows us we aren't doing the guy a favor by killing him (I know nobody here would want the guy to die if it turned out death was actually a good thing!),

.... Are you trying to say that removing someone's existance from this world/destroying it completely is not a punishment because "LOL WHO KNOWS IT MIGHT END UP BEING A GOOD THING LOLOLO"

Something this topic has made me think about:

One of the things I hate about the death penalty is reading about the victim's families after a death sentence is commuted. In nearly every article on that kind of event, there's a little blurb where some family member of the victim says something like "blah blah blah he killed my uncle/baby/mistress he needs to die not be in prison where is justice every day he is alive i cry our fambly needs closure blah blah blah..."

I fucking hate having to read that shit.

Also, there is some horrible, horrible rhetoric occurring in this topic.

.... Are you trying to say that removing someone's existance from this world/destroying it completely is not a punishment because "LOL WHO KNOWS IT MIGHT END UP BEING A GOOD THING LOLOLO"

fatty i just want to say i think you're trying a little too hard to be edgy in this topic.

I think he was actually saying 'what makes life better than death' since none of us knows what happens in death. It could be gum drops and lollipops and therefore not a punishment at all.

Yeah, but I think that EDC and actually anyone'll agree that JUSTICE IS SERVED is the worst possible reason to impose the death sentence on someone. True, if you want to bring RETRIBUTION upon a criminal, you'd want him to feel pretty miserable after death, but as he's dead you can't exactly verify whether his eventual torment adds up in some universal scale of justice. The death sentence is really only there for permanently erasing problems of the society (which, I'd hope, most people find less preferrable to solving them.)