News Boy, 15, gets 60 years for StL County sex attack of girl, 6 (Read 4197 times)

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he will be 75 years old when he leaves prison.
I doubt a child molester/raper is going to live even 75 days in a prison.
I really doubt he WONT be killed by some thugs who have kids/dont take this kind of shit kindly.
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I think the justice system is wrong but totally opposite of what you think Fatty. We let younger people do horrible, inhuman acts and just say "boys are boys" or "kids do darnest things" and then stuff like five 12 year olds raping and mutilating 5 year old wheelchair girl get only scolded and have to pay some small fine, despite that they'd deserve life entence.

I don't think it's to be looked at age, how big of an asshole you are. That's why if someone does something this horrible; they deserve everything that's coming to them. Especially the part where he was reportedly shown no emotion at all despite hearing he'll be sentenced to 60 years in prison, tells me he's a really sick and twisted invidual. I am just sorry for the poor girl that she had to suffer so much before he was placed behind the bars. I hope she'll be able to get over this. 

 
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ps to people saying even mass murderers etc dont get this long: they should. we arent allowed to kill them, but really they threw away their lives by being such fucking jerks.

if you do anything to willingly harm an innocent human in this extreme way, you don't deserve any rights at all.

just my two cents ^^;
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There's one thing that people here just can't seem to comprehend, and that's the fact that this 15 year old kid is a human being and deserves to be treated like one. 60 years in prison for a crime like this seems inhumane to me. Yes, the girl was beaten up pretty bad, but she didn't retain any lasting disabilities. Yes, she must have been messed up psychologically by the attack, but I have no doubt that she'll grow past it and become able to live a normal life eventually. Normal, healthy people are able to do that, no matter what burden they'll carry with them from then on.

Modern criminal punishments are composed for various reasons: incapacitation, deterrence, rehabilitation, and retribution. That last one is what I'm looking at here. Basically, by literally taking revenge for the crime that was committed, the state is attempting to prevent vigilantism. But sometimes, it can be a downright cruel factor, and I think that it played too big a role in this determination. 60 years for this offense, even if it was a dirty act with no respect for a human life, is too much.
ps to people saying even mass murderers etc dont get this long: they should. we arent allowed to kill them, but really they threw away their lives by being such fucking jerks.

if you do anything to willingly harm an innocent human in this extreme way, you don't deserve any rights at all.
Then you should move to America, where they agree with you. Thankfully, almost all of Europe does not agree with this. The state should never be allowed to take a life or take away human rights. There's nothing modern about that.
Especially the part where he was reportedly shown no emotion at all despite hearing he'll be sentenced to 60 years in prison, tells me he's a really sick and twisted invidual.
If you were sentenced to 60 years in prison, would you cry? Would you be able to comprehend that you'd not be getting out until you're 75 years old? The reason why this kid "showed no remorse" is most likely because he didn't know what to do at all. If I were sentenced to 60 years in prison, I wouldn't get it either! I'd just stare into space blankly, trying to make some sense of it all, but I doubt I would be able to! You shouldn't condemn the kid because he didn't appear to be showing any emotion.

Besides, despite the fact that he is sick and twisted, he really does have his human rights, and the right to a fair trial. No matter what you say. If you don't agree that he should, move to Myanmar.
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he deserves the punishment.. the world is too loose on this kind of crimes.. no mercy shall be shown
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There's one thing that people here just can't seem to comprehend, and that's the fact that this 15 year old kid is a human being and deserves to be treated like one. 60 years in prison for a crime like this seems inhumane to me. Yes, the girl was beaten up pretty bad, but she didn't retain any lasting disabilities.
how does this bit make any difference, out of interest? i do not think the kid was thinking OK I WILL BEAT HER JUST ENOUGH TO NOT GIVE HER ANY LASTING DISABILITIES

but yeah basically this topic is just NO HE DOESNT DESERVE 60 YEARS HE IS A HUMAN vs NO HE DOES HE FUCKED UP TOO BADLY AT THIS POINT so yeah lets see another 3 pages!!
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There's one thing that people here just can't seem to comprehend, and that's the fact that this 15 year old kid is a human being and deserves to be treated like one. 60 years in prison for a crime like this seems inhumane to me. Yes, the girl was beaten up pretty bad, but she didn't retain any lasting disabilities. Yes, she must have been messed up psychologically by the attack, but I have no doubt that she'll grow past it and become able to live a normal life eventually. Normal, healthy people are able to do that, no matter what burden they'll carry with them from then on.

Childhood plays the biggest part of developing your mentality actually. This thing happening to her at age of 6 may make her clinically afraid, hateful of guys, and more. Trust me on this one, no matter how old you get some bad things can never be forgotten or gotten over with.

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If you were sentenced to 60 years in prison, would you cry? Would you be able to comprehend that you'd not be getting out until you're 75 years old? The reason why this kid "showed no remorse" is most likely because he didn't know what to do at all. If I were sentenced to 60 years in prison, I wouldn't get it either! I'd just stare into space blankly, trying to make some sense of it all, but I doubt I would be able to! You shouldn't condemn the kid because he didn't appear to be showing any emotion.

Confusion and being baffled is an emotion that's clearly visible, especially if it comes off as a huge and unprepared shock like in this case. Being emotioneless means having absolute no reaction, visually when you hear that. I know my eyes would nearly pop out from my sockets and my mouth would fall to floor.

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Besides, despite the fact that he is sick and twisted, he really does have his human rights, and the right to a fair trial. No matter what you say. If you don't agree that he should, move to Myanmar.

It WAS a fair trial and it was declared sentence. The family may (and probably will) demand it being lowered and it probably will be cut off, maybe by even a half if enough evidence and strong points are brought up.

 
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but yeah basically this topic is just NO HE DOESNT DESERVE 60 YEARS HE IS A HUMAN vs NO HE DOES HE FUCKED UP TOO BADLY AT THIS POINT so yeah lets see another 3 pages!!
no lets stop here
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Childhood plays the biggest part of developing your mentality actually.
I am curious as to what your parents did to you when you were 6 years old because your mentality is far from stable[/offtopic]

also </sarcasm>
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I've read that some people say that being raped and sexually assaulted is worse than being killed? how is that even possible? I've met lots of guys/girls that were raped as kids and they are perfectly healthy people now, rape happens a LOT more that you see in the news, specially as a kid. I don't think many of the people who are suffering the consecuences of being raped, would have prefered to be killed...
when you're killed, your life is 100% screwed. when you're raped, there's chances (and not THAT low) that you'll be able to recover, so how is raping worse than killing in any way? (Even if the brutality of the crime plays a role, it doesn't make it worse on its own)
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as far as the criminal punishment system goes I'm pretty not in line with the currently dominant (or rather ohio's) system of criminal punishments and such

60 years is pretty harsh, and the way to deal with juvenile criminals is not to thrust them into the adult prison system, no matter how serious the crime. REHABILITATE THEM. We can at least try to help him (hello carl rogers), but yeah if therapy and counselling doesn't help his situation by the time he is.. say 25, then fuck it let him rot in prison. Though letting him out at really any age is gonna screw him over and he'll end up working at a gas station somewhere because he'll have no job skills other than the menial labor like making license plates that inmates have. Hopefully whatever state that he is in doesnt treat him like they do people twice his age and at least try to help him out a little (also there will be appeals to the sentence I hope... 60 years is fucking ridiculous and no self-respecting lawyer would let that stand unchallenged) (glad I said something that has been said before like.. probably 5+ times oh well)
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Man I'm done with this topic.
Look, all of this is moot anyways. They're going to file an appeal on the grounds that the sentence is excessive and maybe on some other stuff, and this kid'll be out in like 20 years or less.

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how does this bit make any difference, out of interest?
It's a factor used to determine how harshly the criminal will be punished just like any other.

Confusion and being baffled is an emotion that's clearly visible, especially if it comes off as a huge and unprepared shock like in this case. Being emotioneless means having absolute no reaction, visually when you hear that. I know my eyes would nearly pop out from my sockets and my mouth would fall to floor.
Have you ever been sentenced to 60 years in prison?

You think you know how you would react, don't you? But in reality, you really can't know how you will react because of two things: it's really difficult to grasp the prospect of being in jail for 60 years, and even if you do, you'll become emotional, your adrenaline level will start to rise, and by then it'll be practically impossible to tell what you're going to do.

I'm not going to debate with you whether the girl is traumatized or whether she's going to be messed up for the rest of her life, because neither of us are psychologists, but my original point still stands: that despite crimes committed, a human being is still a human being, and deserves to be treated fairly. This is the cornerstone of civilization. Retribution shouldn't be the heaviest factor in determining a punishment.

That said, I don't disagree that this kid did something horrible. He does deserve serious jail time. He just doesn't deserve to be put away in a box until his life is practically over.
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Also, for all of you saying he won't survive in prison; he's 15. I am pretty sure even HARDENED CRIMINALS wouldn't kill a 15 year old in prison, even if what he did was so terrible. Most criminals are pretty normal beyond making some really bad decisions, and a lot of them even have morals and other such things that will likely make them debate the same things we're all debating. I mean... not a loud, or anything. But some of them will definitely realise HEY HE WAS THIRTEEN.

But then it only takes one dude to kill someone so... if there's anyone like half of you who think he should be STRUNG UP AND BEATEN or blasted to the sun, he should probably watch his back.
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yeah i think this is a ridiculously hard sentence on this kid. i think it's possible for a 13 year old to be rehabilitated, without knowing anything else about the person. i guess i'm just not a fan of the idea of sentencing someone based on how much you hate them. at thirteen some people are still pulling the legs from toads, so i'm saying that while this atrocity needs to be dealt with very seriously, i don't think it's right to say to a 15 year old - who was 13 at the time - okay, well, you don't get to have a life anymore.

i'm definitely not saying he should get anything other than locked up, clearly someone who does this is really dangerous. what i'm saying is let's say in 10 years when he is a fully grown man who may legitimately hate that awful thing he done and has developed some sense of morality, he is just to be left there for another 50 years because the thing he done was so disgusting? it's not likely he'll ever be well enough to be allowed out, or maybe into some kind of facility, but it's possible, i think.

i think that, like a lot of people in this topic, the judge just couldn't get over his hate of this boy in order to realise how insanely excessive and misguided this punishment is.

as for the girl, i don't know what to say. what could i know about what it's like for her, and for her family.
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i think that, like a lot of people in this topic, the judge just couldn't get over his hate of this boy in order to realise how insanely excessive and misguided this punishment is.
The problem is a lot of the time the judge will give an excessive sentence, as a combination of their own emotions and as an (poor) attempt to appease the people's need for closure; ie MULTIPLE LIFE SNETENCES BACK TO BACK (just in case the person lives to the age of 200 people need to know the guy will still be in prison i guess!)
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jail is not the proper method of dealing with someone this young. he should be rehabilitated, not put into an institution that will most certainly make him completely insane or make a complete criminal out of him. not saying i sympathize with him, it was a pretty horrific thing to do, but this will only make matters worse!
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I don't really care how long he gets.

I wont lose any sleep over him, yknow, what with the nature of what he's done.
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We all missed the point. Look at why he got 60 years.

20 years for assault...
10 years for Sodomy...
10 years for attempted rape even though they counted a rape charge... (which I assume is what they meant by Sodomy, because I can't believe they would charge someone 10 years for the act itself)

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Which is why any half decent lawyer will be able to get the bulk of the sentence overturned on appeal.

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