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Hempknight

#341 January 09, 2008, 08:28:25 am

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Quote from: Sarhan on January 09, 2008, 08:07:05 am

I don't know why Edwards is running. It should be pretty obvious to him that he really doesn't have much of a chance going against Obama and Hillary. I'd just drop out and stop wasting my own (and other people's) money. I'm sure he supports Obama more than Hillary. Dropping out would be good for him both personally and...non...personally...

Whoever wins will probably offer him VP though.

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dada

#342 January 09, 2008, 10:34:25 am

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Quote from: The Truth on January 09, 2008, 08:02:26 am

One theory right now is that since the polls were so 15 POINT LEAD f*CK YEAH GUYS that a bunch of Independents figured Barack had NH in the bag and voted for Mccain/Paul (Although with Paul i guess it's not true because NINE PERCENT and whatnot).

I hope that this is the case, and that Obama supporters are now awake and realize that they really need to get out and vote if they want him to win. But you know, this explanation still seems slightly unlikely to me, as I'd reckon that people are more willing to vote if they're certain that they're not supporting someone who's not going to win anyway.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#343 January 09, 2008, 04:35:22 pm

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guess which presidential candidate has not aged well at all.

-1996!!!

also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 05:53:30 pm by dangerousned

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#344 January 09, 2008, 06:31:43 pm

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u....ug....oh........oh my

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Shepperd

#345 January 09, 2008, 06:35:48 pm

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wow at the bradley effect. Jesus christ americans are so fucking stupid

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Ryan

#346 January 09, 2008, 06:44:18 pm

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i don't think it was the bradley effect. i think it had more to do with women siding more with hillary and edwards splitting the "change" vote. also mccain drew in a lot of the independents.

this is not really THAT big of a surprise. hillary has led the NH polls up until like TWO WEEKS ago. it's not like this came out of nowhere

edit: also obama's speech last night was amazing. it was just as good or better as his iowa victory speech. damn this man is one of the most talented orators i've ever seen.

edit2: also hillary was pretty hot back in the day. i'd tap it

Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 06:49:23 pm by Ryan

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#347 January 09, 2008, 06:52:16 pm

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noooooo uh actually late polls had Obama winning by more than he won Iowa. I didn't see a single poll with Hillary wining till election night!

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Ryan

#348 January 09, 2008, 06:59:12 pm

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i know. i'm saying he wasn't ahead in the polls until recently.

http://www.pollster.com/NHTopzDems.php

i actually think an early loss may have been the best outcome for obama. (besides not losing) if he had suffered a loss such as this one closer to super tuesday it could have been the end for him. things are looking good, though. he's up in south carolina and got a union endorsement in nevada today, and is expected to get the culinary union endorsement as well.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#349 January 09, 2008, 07:01:07 pm

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oh shit, he actually got the union endorsement? rumor was he wasn't going to get it.

that is good news. hopefully if he takes SC that'll give him momentum into Super Tuesday.

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Ryan

#350 January 09, 2008, 07:03:29 pm

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Quote from: politico.com

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Presidential hopeful Barack Obama has won an endorsement from the Nevada chapter of the Service Employees International Union, boosting his prospects against rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) in Nevada's upcoming Democratic caucuses.

The influential union claims to represent 17,500 health care and county workers in Nevada. Its executive board approved the decision in a conference call late Tuesday, shortly after the Illinois senator finished a close second behind Clinton in the New Hampshire primary.

The announcement came as Obama was expecting to get another boost from labor in Nevada. The 60,000-member Culinary Workers Union, Local 226 was scheduled to announce its endorsement Wednesday.

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Saleop

#351 January 09, 2008, 07:33:48 pm

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Quote from: dangerousned on January 09, 2008, 06:51:46 am

btw Obama still is winning via delegates, which is what matters

Obama: 25
Clinton: 24
Edwards: 18

just a little fyi.

Yeah

I think it's important to note that Hillary and Obama TIED in the number of delegates won in New Hampshire.

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Mama Luigi

#352 January 09, 2008, 08:10:16 pm

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Oh my god guys. Look at this shitfest of an e-mail I received from my incredibly conservative mom. I don't... I don't even know where to begin... I definitely need to e-mail all the people she forwarded this to and clear up some of the LIES and IGNORANCE found in this e-mail:

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Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah.
It's the Trinity Church of Christ. It's not like any Church of Christ
I've ever heard of. I found this very interesting.

Obama's church:
Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there.
It may be very alarming.
Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S.
If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation
has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned.

Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join
Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!!
Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?)
Muslim upbringing.

Are you aware that Obama's middle name is Mohammed?

Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get?
Is he a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church!
Is he possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today.

This guy desires to be in charge of over America
while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!
I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers.

You may want to pass this message along to all of your family & friends.

To think that Obama has even the slightest
chance in the run for the presidency, is really scary to me.
Click on the link below:
This is the web page for the church Barack Obama belongs to:
www.tucc.org/about.htm

That's right... they actually think his middle name is Mohammed.

I did a little research and guess where I found the original article (or maybe it isn't the original, just a repost). Here.

Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 08:12:55 pm by Mr Epic Hero

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#353 January 09, 2008, 08:17:07 pm

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Quote from: Saleop on January 09, 2008, 07:33:48 pm

Yeah

I think it's important to note that Hillary and Obama TIED in the number of delegates won in New Hampshire.

i actually was misleading; the delegates dont really matter too much since it's all about momentum now and Obama lost a bunch of it big time.

NEVADA WHATS HOOD.

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dada

#354 January 09, 2008, 08:36:11 pm

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Maybe the most interesting thing about that e-mail is the fact that his middle name is not, in fact, Mohammed. It's Hussein.

EDIT: oh, I see you... already mentioned that.

Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 08:39:34 pm by Dada

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#355 January 09, 2008, 08:56:41 pm

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meanwhile, Chris Matthews has fucked himself:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/01/09/hillary_nh/
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712180005

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jamie

#356 January 09, 2008, 09:34:48 pm

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this recent stuff with clinton is fucking appalling. i'm far removed from all of it really, and i only know what i decide to look up, but i didn't think the fact she is a woman was actually that important. i knew there would be stupid shit about her looks, and i remember seeing something on fox news where they spent like 10 minutes discussing her make-up but it's worse than i expected. it seems like there is a lot of male angst over her being considered a front runner, aggressive with her campaigning etc. that chris matthews guy, i've never heard of him before, he's a total prick. it is embarassing.

also i might be taking it a bit far but it only just occurred to me that everyone is on a first name basis with hillary clinton while we remain professionally distant with obama, mccain, huckabee. maybe it's just cos she's much more known but it seems a bit familiar for my tastes.

someone said a bit of drama from candidates before new hampshire is common, but does it always get this kind of attention? the fact that she got choked up (i actually haven't seen this footage yet)?

you've always seen people talking about how "likeable" she is, or that she seems remote and emotionless. people are very concerned with this when it comes to clinton, much more so than the other candidates. this, i really don't like. it is all pretty insidious.

Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 09:36:35 pm by real_jamicus

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Wil

#357 January 09, 2008, 09:39:28 pm

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About the Obama chain letter, unfortunately I know a lot of people who use this kind of reasoning to smear Obama. Things like "Obama doesn't do the pledge, Obama is a Muslim, Obama hates America, Osama Obama terrorist, blahblahblah" is what I hear constantly when I run into someone who doesn't know too much about ... well, anything at all.

I do agree that Obama's church is pretty weird, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as the racket that is Romney's Mormonism.

Quote from: dangerousned on January 09, 2008, 07:08:44 am

helpful stuff

Hey thanks !!
edit, for the record i've already been rebutted with that ugly V FOR VENDETTA type stuff woo RONPAUL08!!!!

Last Edit: January 09, 2008, 09:47:23 pm by Wil

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#358 January 09, 2008, 09:53:46 pm

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the obama pledge thing is on snopes as untrue btw.

i mean, you should know it is anyways but yeah.

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Wil

#359 January 09, 2008, 11:22:31 pm

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"Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me"
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html
Then why did he vote yes for the Patriot act in 2006? Does it matter? I have a lot of friends who go nuts over his voting record behind the Patriot Act.

Quote from: dangerousned on January 09, 2008, 09:53:46 pm

the obama pledge thing is on snopes as untrue btw.

Well it is true that he didn't PUT HIS HAND OVER HIS HEART (instead he stood in respectful observance, and uses his hand many other times anyways), but a lot of people try to convolute that as some sort of statement about his SACRED PATRIOTISM.

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Saleop

#360 January 10, 2008, 01:29:50 am

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Richardson has dropped out.

Maybe his supporters will go to Obama?

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