Politics U.S Presidential Primary Thread (Read 20603 times)

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Man, I was so confident in Obama winning the Democratic nomination, but after the last few days, I'm not so sure he could pull it off.

It's far too early to write him off.  I think when people sit back and digest the NH primary and all the shit that went on there they will be less likely to vote Hillary after her little crying episode.


Also, Richardson drops out.
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This is really interesting.
I could make a separate topic about it if anybody wants, in case they are in FEAR OF THE DERAIL.
But I find it pretty interesting how GW, which has no political premise at all, seems to have mostly atheist liberal members that are pretty much in favor of Obama. Why is this? Which factors made GW be that way? Is the structure of GW that in some way promotes this kind of member? Is it that the most relevant members happen to think that way, and by teaming up they just define the political tendency inside GW?
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Younger people tend to be more liberal than conservative.  Plus, those that like computers and gaming tend to also have an interest in science, which coincidentally corrolates with atheism.  It's like the deeper one's life is involved with science, the lower the religiosity.  Scientific investigation must adhere to the scientific method, a process for evaluating empirical knowledge that explains observable events in nature as results of natural causes, rejecting supernatural notions.  Such a worldview lends itself well to atheism and nontheism.

Of course, I'm generalizing here.

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there can only be one answer....


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i think it also might have a bit to do with youth thinking somethings honestly going to change by putting a black prez in


nothing will *shrugs*

i like obama cause he is an amazing speech giver, and i like what he stands for
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young people generally support Obama or Ron Paul. the stupid ones like paul
there can only be one answer....


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an hour ago I was going to post "now steel will come in here and claim it's all because of him" but apparently gw didn't want to let me do that

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This is really interesting.
I could make a separate topic about it if anybody wants, in case they are in FEAR OF THE DERAIL.
But I find it pretty interesting how GW, which has no political premise at all, seems to have mostly atheist liberal members that are pretty much in favor of Obama. Why is this? Which factors made GW be that way? Is the structure of GW that in some way promotes this kind of member? Is it that the most relevant members happen to think that way, and by teaming up they just define the political tendency inside GW?
it is interstins

My support for Barack Obama isn't necessarily because of ideology, it's mostly because of his character. The man has the ability to get support from people from both sides, and he is actually inspiring when he speaks. Hillary Clinton on the other hand is an incredibly divisive figure and tbh i don't think can beat a republican in a general election. Ideologically speaking, I can't really say I'm against Hillary. She is just way too controversial of a figure.

and yeah, as Wil said, it's probably just social desirability
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an hour ago I was going to post "now steel will come in here and claim it's all because of him" but apparently gw didn't want to let me do that

hahaha you're such a fucking child.

seriously get over it tex. saying that maybe someone who has
-coopted everything about me to the degree people thought he was my new account (I have never ever had this mistake with anyone else on these forums, not even the "bandwagoners" and I had it multiple times in your case)
-confused people so that they accused even his JOKE ACCOUNT of being my joke account
-in the past read both my LJ and GW posts which had focused on feminism and previously had no history of posting about feminism

maybe looked up a thing or two on feminism because I talked about it isn't some grave fucking insult and isn't indicative of anything other than a little bit of fetishism on your part that I called out. let it go. if you want to continue it, do it in PM. you threw your jab at me, I replied, we're even as far as I care, and no one other than panda wants to see this derail.

anyways yeah how is that an actual question Shep? conservatives tend to be older by vast numbers and liberals are younger. come on, a little bit of applied thinking results in like a hundred possible answers all of which are probably at least slightly valid.
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man, what a steel thing to say.  has it ever occurred to you that MAYBE, given the same general age range and sociopolitical leanings, his interest in feminism is inspired by the same thing that inspired it within you?  why do you think that simply because you posted about it on gw, at some point in time, anyone after that point with more than a passing interest in it must clearly have been vitally influenced by you in their thirst for knowledge that thousands of others have been interested in before you were even at the point of being able to understand that someone doesn't stop existing when they move out of your line of sight?

we've already covered these bases before; they should be familiar ground for you by now.  gw, at its very core, is an exceedingly homogeneous community.  so much time spent around so select a group of people leads to, surprise, the lines of peoples NETDENTITIES (heh) gradually fading until one person is barely distinguishable from the rest.  was a conscious desire to be like someone else cited when i sounded like you who sounded like turkpimp?  no, because it is unconscious, and a problem (if you could even call it that) that can be traced back to a person's simple PRESENCE on gw, their very interaction with anyone here.

there is, of course, one thing of yours he didn't coopt.  and that is your giant, uncontrollable ego that seems to color everything you see in some sort of STEEL BRUSHED HAZE.  perhaps he is like you, in a loose sense, but he probably wouldn't make the mistake of saying that a person must surely be basing their own identify off of someone else because of shared interests in superficial subjects, and a general similarity in posting tone that also exists throughout a large amount of the active posters at gw.
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man, what a steel thing to say.  has it ever occurred to you that MAYBE, given the same general age range and sociopolitical leanings, his interest in feminism is inspired by the same thing that inspired it within you?  why do you think that simply because you posted about it on gw, at some point in time, anyone after that point with more than a passing interest in it must clearly have been vitally influenced by you in their thirst for knowledge that thousands of others have been interested in before you were even at the point of being able to understand that someone doesn't stop existing when they move out of your line of sight?

we've already covered these bases before; they should be familiar ground for you by now.  gw, at its very core, is an exceedingly homogeneous community.  so much time spent around so select a group of people leads to, surprise, the lines of peoples NETDENTITIES (heh) gradually fading until one person is barely distinguishable from the rest.  was a conscious desire to be like someone else cited when i sounded like you who sounded like turkpimp?  no, because it is unconscious, and a problem (if you could even call it that) that can be traced back to a person's simple PRESENCE on gw, their very interaction with anyone here.

there is, of course, one thing of yours he didn't coopt.  and that is your giant, uncontrollable ego that seems to color everything you see in some sort of STEEL BRUSHED HAZE.  perhaps he is like you, in a loose sense, but he probably wouldn't make the mistake of saying that a person must surely be basing their own identify off of someone else because of shared interests in superficial subjects, and a general similarity in posting tone that also exists throughout a large amount of the active posters at gw.

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yeah haha this shit has been all over the news today. i'm glad paul isn't sliding through the election with this unnoticed.
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anyways yeah how is that an actual question Shep? conservatives tend to be older by vast numbers and liberals are younger. come on, a little bit of applied thinking results in like a hundred possible answers all of which are probably at least slightly valid.
Because if political belief were to be defined by age then I wouldn't be asking this question

But yeah that previous post was just a moment of ingenious insight
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It's AMAZING how people are still saying that these newsletter articles were published "just to discredit Ron Paul".

Guess what: you're correct! Of course we want to discredit the person who's published racist articles for 20 years. Just as we would try to discredit any other racist who has the nerve to run for president.

It is WHOLLY IMPOSSIBLE for him to have not been involved in this or known what was going on. These articles were published for 20 YEARS!

Do you honestly believe an article with his name bannered right above it containing strong and racist remarks could have gone unnoticed for 20 years? You made fools out of yourselves for supporting him in the first place and ignoring all the evidence you saw that said he's not a person worth supporting. You said that everything was "just a big conspiracy" by his opponents, ignoring the fact that nobody would want to exert such effort for a person who's not a serious candidate for presidency. And even now, you're saying that the articles might be forged by his opponents. Why would anyone do this for 20 years, starting at a time when Ron Paul wasn't even a notable person?

You know, these people are probably still supporting Ron Paul because they feel they can't make a 180 degree turn, because that will reveal how incredibly ignorant they were before.
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it's a principle called cognitive dissonance.

basically, a science experiment was done where these people had to take this terrible fucking test where you rotated pegs. it was so boring. so they had three groups. to one group they said nothing. this group was most likely to go outside and say nothing and even tell the next person in line "this was so boring god". the other group was paid five dollars to tell the person outside it was good. the last group was paid 20 bucks.

interestingly, when a followup survey was conducted a few weeks later, the group paid 20 dollars were LESS likely to look favorably on the experiment. the group paid 5 almost always said WOW IT WAS SO FUN AND GOOD. and so the principle of cognitive dissonance is formed: when two dissonant or competing thoughts occur, the person will convince themselves that one of the thoughts falls in line with the other. the people paid 20 bucks felt that they were paid enough for their boredom and so were able to accurately call the survey shit. the ones paid 5 had to justify their waste of time for five bucks that they used to justify it to someone else, and so ACTUALLY BELIEVED the survey was good.

this principle gets applied to UFO cults and political fanatics as well. the smaller Paulsies will be dissuaded by Ron Paul's terrible fucking statements, but the ones who have been completely convinced cannot take the thought of Paul being BAD anymore. they wasted so much time and money on him that he HAS to be the Messiah, he just HAS to, because they have invested their lives into him.
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kucinich is calling for a new hampshire recount.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/11/kucinich-calls-for-new-hampshire-recount/
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Slate did an article about explanations for the hugely inaccurate polls before NH: http://www.slate.com/id/2181849/
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