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I made that post about the Canadian dollar.  Part of it was that the US economy was slipping, but the other side of the coin (ha!) was that the Canadian Dollar was gaining strength on the back of rising commodity prices, particularily oil, but also things like gold, uranium and potash.  The Canadian Dollar is tightly coupled with oil prices AND the US economy.

fyi, 1.00 CAD   =   1.00020 USD, so we are completely on par at the moment.  And it has been hovering around +/- 0.02 for some time now.

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Not to insult Canadians or anything, but it really shows that the US economy is slipping if we are on the same level as the Canadian dollar at the moment.
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Hillary Clinton is going negative in new Wisconsin TV ads

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Hillary Clinton is taking aim at Barack Obama in a new Wisconsin television ad for not agreeing to participate in a debate there.

"Both Democratic candidates have been invited to a televised Wisconsin debate," an announcer says in the new 30 second spot. "Hillary Clinton has said yes. Barack Obama hasn't. Maybe he'd prefer to give speeches than have to answer questions."
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what a douchebag!

edit: here's my commercial:

"Both Democratic candidates have been invited to a televised MSNBC debate," an announcer says in the new 30 second spot. "Barack Obama has said yes. Hillary Clinton refused. Maybe Chelsea could sound less fake on TV???"
Last Edit: February 13, 2008, 06:55:06 pm by ASE
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I don't really know much about economics, but I had heard before that America are like 3 Trillion dollars in debt and continuing to spend and borrow money, which will eventually have to pay back.
Every other country in the world has such a debt. Granted, America's is most likely the largest in the world, but this is somewhat proportional to its size. Yes, it should be paid back eventually, but until that becomes possible, the only way to pay the interest on that debt is to borrow more.

So, that in itself shouldn't suggest that anything is wrong.

You know what's funny? I've heard the phrase "Ron Paul supports a sound fiscal policy" more than once. That phrase, all by itself. They know nothing about how the economy works (note: neither do I) but still advocate his solution as though it's crystal clear that it will save the U.S. economy.
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Hillary Clinton is going negative in new Wisconsin TV ads

EDIT: correct link is http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/13/clinton-goes-negative-in-new-ad/ by the way.

You know, sometimes those negative campaigns work. But, while I'm not exactly an expert on the subject of political campaigning, I have the impression that they usually don't.

It didn't work when the Dutch government started a negative campaign on the subject of a unified European constitution which we were going to vote for (this is called a referendum). The Dutch people voted against the proposal, mainly as a result of the poor campaigning by the government, which was very much for a European constitution.

The government told people in its campaigns that if they were to vote against this proposal, we'd "fall behind" and get all kinds of problems with our ability to compete with the rest of Europe. The fact the government thought of the referendum as only a formality didn't sit very well with the Dutch public.

Hillary has had some bad results with negative campaigning before, hasn't she? (I don't actually know too much about what she says in her advertisements since I don't have that much access to them.) I hope she knows what she's doing!
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I don't know if it's been mentioned in this topic, or when it happened (i first heard about it today), but someone on MSNBC said it seemed like Hilary was pimping her daughter around because her daughter was calling up every important person she can to talk about how great her mom is.  Hilary pretty much demanded an apology and kept talking about how offensive it is.  Also she took it LITERALLY (like, she thought they were saying she prostituted her daughter).

Okay I have to say right now that I don't see how someone who is so upset about the word pimp and misunderstood it in the first place can run a whole country.  Grow a fucking backbone.  In fact, I read somewhere that her daughter said that since she was involve with the campaign, she knew she was a target for criticism.

She also says she's a "mother first, and candidate second", but fuck, I want you to be a CANDIDATE FIRST.  Yeah I'm glad you love your kids, but if you're running my country I want you to be pretty damn committed.
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Hilary pretty much demanded an apology and kept talking about how offensive it is.  Also she took it LITERALLY (like, she thought they were saying she prostituted her daughter).
Maybe she took it literally because she thought they found out that she really WAS prostituting her daughter for votes.
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I don't know if it's been mentioned in this topic, or when it happened (i first heard about it today), but someone on MSNBC said it seemed like Hilary was pimping her daughter around because her daughter was calling up every important person she can to talk about how great her mom is.  Hilary pretty much demanded an apology and kept talking about how offensive it is.  Also she took it LITERALLY (like, she thought they were saying she prostituted her daughter).

Okay I have to say right now that I don't see how someone who is so upset about the word pimp and misunderstood it in the first place can run a whole country.  Grow a fucking backbone.  In fact, I read somewhere that her daughter said that since she was involve with the campaign, she knew she was a target for criticism.

She also says she's a "mother first, and candidate second", but fuck, I want you to be a CANDIDATE FIRST.  Yeah I'm glad you love your kids, but if you're running my country I want you to be pretty damn committed.

uh...what?

the term pimp is a highly offensive term, despite what Pimp My Ride and Nelly say; if she didn't get highly offended by it, I would be disappointed. do you really think presidential candidates expect a level of discourse where they are compared to prostitutes and the people who deal in prostitutes?
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I don't really know much about economics, but I had heard before that America are like 3 Trillion dollars in debt and continuing to spend and borrow money, which will eventually have to pay back.
last time I checked it was 9 trillion dollars

I mean yeah the difference between 3 trillion and 9 trillion is pretty big differential but we should have to worry about this bullshit anyway (as in it'd be great if we werent over a trillion dollars in debt at all to begin with)
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Senator Obama, if a nigga try to play game on a nigga, should that nigga experience shame, and if so, to what degree?
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uh...what?

the term pimp is a highly offensive term, despite what Pimp My Ride and Nelly say; if she didn't get highly offended by it, I would be disappointed. do you really think presidential candidates expect a level of discourse where they are compared to prostitutes and the people who deal in prostitutes?

You see this is one thing I hate about words, people love to abuse them. Everyone and their grandmother knows that she wasn't calling her a "pimp" it is a word that has evolved and has a double meaning(triple meanings). She took it the wrong way on purpose in my opinion just to get attention.
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She also says she's a "mother first, and candidate second", but fuck, I want you to be a CANDIDATE FIRST.  Yeah I'm glad you love your kids, but if you're running my country I want you to be pretty damn committed.

yeah, saying this is a political mistake
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You see this is one thing I hate about words, people love to abuse them. Everyone and their grandmother knows that she wasn't calling her a "pimp" it is a word that has evolved and has a double meaning(triple meanings). She took it the wrong way on purpose in my opinion just to get attention.

no.

pimping someone out means you are making a direct comparison between a presidential candidate and a whoremonger.

this is not suitable for any kind of actual political discourse.
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"pimping someone out means you are making a direct comparison between a presidential candidate and a whoremonger."

no, not really.

"this is not suitable for any kind of actual political discourse."
 Yes, this is true because their exsist people who love taking things the wrong way so they can get more attention or push things in their favor. So a person in that position (political spokesman) shouldn't fall for such a simple trap.
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Shuster said on air Thursday, while talking about Chelsea Clinton placing phone calls to Democratic superdelegates on her mother’s behalf: “Doesn’t it seem as if Chelsea is sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?”

I don't see how so many people think that literally means PROSTITUTION, unless I'm the only person who has heard that phrase used the way he intended?  People have begun to use pimping out and whoring out to basically mean USING SOMEONE for any reason, and even though the comments are completely unfounded and the dude should have known better than to say that on the news, she should be strong enough to not make a big deal about it.

edit:  the part where it said chelsea is an obvious target if she is getting involved wasn't FROM chelsea, just about her, so i take that part back, but the rest stands.
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"pimping someone out means you are making a direct comparison between a presidential candidate and a whoremonger."

no, not really.

"this is not suitable for any kind of actual political discourse."
 Yes, this is true because their exsist people who love taking things the wrong so they can get more attention or push things in their favor. So a person in that position (political spokesman) shouldn't fall for such a simple trap.

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tell me what pimping someone means in this context.

TELL ME. if they are not directly comparing her to a whoremonger what is it? is it the style of dress? because I had no idea Hillary Clinton had a fascination with ridiculously long plumed hats and purple suits with leopard print.

this is incredibly offensive shit for a political commentator to say.

ps: did you know it's not a simple trap (are you fucking kidding me?) but that Hillary Clinton, who quite a few feminists like (NO REAL SCOTSMAN), has just taken a stance against the coopting of the word pimp to mean something good which would endear her to anyone even remotely feminist?

I don't see how so many people think that literally means PROSTITUTION, unless I'm the only person who has heard that phrase used the way he intended?  People have begun to use pimping out and whoring out to basically mean USING SOMEONE for any reason, and even though the comments are completely unfounded and the dude should have known better than to say that on the news, she should be strong enough to not make a big deal about it.

edit:  the part where it said chelsea is an obvious target if she is getting involved wasn't FROM chelsea, just about her, so i take that part back, but the rest stands.


it's a horrible term. you know, nigga isn't offensive, but I bet Russ Mitchell wouldn't address Barack Obama with "yo nigga, what's hood?" it's kind of offensive to ask a woman if she's whoring out her daughter for political reasons while using language that almost literally means whoring someone out, instead of asking a delicate question about delicate issues.

it has nothing to do with strength. it's an offensive comment and she has every right to be mad that she was compared to a pimp because her daughter called superdelegates. is she using her daughter, yes. can I say Hillary Clinton is pimping out her daughter? sure why not. should a member of the press be allowed to say that kind of shit? hell no. members of the press should not comment on presidential candidates with coopted slang. I do not want to hear that John McCain is ridin' dirty with PAC money, for fuck's sake. you and I are nobodies in political spheres, but I'd like to think in serious discourse people don't call each other faggots like I do every other day.

it's a bad accusation, phrased in a kind of gauche way. I don't see how she's overreacting by demanding an apology from a network that used a term with very modern origins in WHOREMONGERING while describing the relationship between a mother and daughter.
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they are not saying the same thing as whormongering at all

this is the definition he meant (straight from websters dictionary)

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transitive verb : to make use of often dishonorably for one's own gain or benefit

When your daughter calls every member of The View as well as important political figures to tell them how great you are, it is not out of place to think that you are probably putting her up to it.  If he had said "using" instead of "pimping", there wouldn't have been a problem, so yeah, he fucked up there, but I don't see ANY way that you can say he was trying to use it to mean the other meaning of pimping at all.  There is NO reason to think he meant that definition, and I don't see how so many people think he did unless they're unaware it can be used the other way.
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Velfarre pretty much summed it up.


crushed by a CaRRot CuSine, the word has many references to what a PIMP does, it was not a reference to a pimps whoremongering.

This is like a sport announcer commenting on a running back and saying "Whoa, he was like an animal in todays game." and him calling up and saying "I want an apology for you calling me a wild savage beast."
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