You know, most reasonable jobs provide decent insurance so it's almost next-to-nothing to pay for that kind of thing.  And you know, those benefits extend to the family pretty easily.  Now, let's just, for a second, read my other post about trying to make education better and cheaper, then I think more people would have access to decent jobs, and thus be able to take care of their families better.  However, if you decide that for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable to be a grocery store manager or something else that doesn't extend benefits, then maybe you should try to aspire towards something better.  Even better, marry someone who does.

And actually, as I recall, a friend of mine works for a grocery store as a manager and he gets reasonable benefits.

So because a few people have issues accessing health care, everyone else should get screwed over.  Especially when it's going to get a bunch of good doctors to quit because they won't get the type of money they deserve.

--Terin

A $1,000 deductible?  For what?  For something like a surgery?  That's pretty standard.  If I have to have some crazy tumor removed for $50,000 and I pay $1,000, that's a good deal still.

I've actually taken care of myself with and without insurance.  So I've had to deal with expensive procedures that drained me.  And I've had to deal with the same procedures WITH insurance.  It's a fact of life.

Now, fine, if you want to complain that everyone has issues with insurance, then fine.  I can understand that and you have a point.

My real question is, would you be willing to screw over the quality of our health care for the sake of giving health care to everyone?  Would you rather save most people (85% of people let's say) or try to save everyone and only 40%-50% are saved?

--Terin

--Terin

A $1,000 deductible?  For what?  For something like a surgery?  That's pretty standard.  If I have to have some crazy tumor removed for $50,000 and I pay $1,000, that's a good deal still.

I've actually taken care of myself with and without insurance.  So I've had to deal with expensive procedures that drained me.  And I've had to deal with the same procedures WITH insurance.  It's a fact of life.

Now, fine, if you want to complain that everyone has issues with insurance, then fine.  I can understand that and you have a point.

My real question is, would you be willing to screw over the quality of our health care for the sake of giving health care to everyone?  Would you rather save most people (85% of people let's say) or try to save everyone and only 40%-50% are saved?

--Terin

--Terin

So because a few people have issues accessing health care, everyone else should get screwed over.  Especially when it's going to get a bunch of good doctors to quit because they won't get the type of money they deserve.

AHAHHA I love it when white folks try to say I TOO HAVE DEALT WITH POVERTY ONCE I SLEPT ON MY BROTHERS COUCH its the funniest thing in th eworld.

directed to terin who is saying HEH I KNOW WHAT POOR IS I ONCE PAID FOR A SURGERY.

And FYI Ryan, there are different kinds of deductibles.  I pay $10 for doctor visits and $1,000 for actual medical procedures.  Two different deductibles.  I believe my new benefits are that medicine is also $10 as well.

Now, if somehow insurance companies got phased out, we got the same type of coverage with no additional taxes and everyone got coverage and paid less or nothing (or even if my premium rates only went up slightly -- like to $20 for visits to doctors/medicine, $1500 for surgery), that'd be reasonable.  I'd be in support if I got the health care I have now, but extended to everyone, and paid nothing (or little) else.  But the question that it boils down to is the *quality* and the *cost* in the long term.

AHAHHA I love it when white folks try to say I TOO HAVE DEALT WITH POVERTY ONCE I SLEPT ON MY BROTHERS COUCH its the funniest thing in th eworld.

i had to do this once. it was horrible.

this seems a little ridiculous, man.  who's the insurance provider for your mom's company?  i can understand large deductibles, but generally there ARE differences in prices for different levels of treatment (i.e. the deductible isn't the same for a checkup as it is for major surgery).  plus, is a routine checkup even classified as a medical procedure?  a checkup is just that; they're not treating you while you're there beyond perhaps prescribing you some type of medicine, so i think there might be some sort of differentiation between it and an actual procedure like a colonoscopy or something.  anyway, i don't know much about insurance, but since the deductibles for my parents' insurance, for visits to the doctor, are like $10-15 too, i think even if it really is a $1,000 deductible across the board, you might just have really, really terrible insurance, because i feel like that's pretty atypical, even with all the other obvious problems with the health care system.  in my experience, most insurance, if you can actually get it, is at least somewhat useful, and yours is more or less totally worthless barring the need for serious medical treatment (incredibly unlikely).