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ThugTears666

#41 February 04, 2008, 10:05:15 pm

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The stuff I heard wasn't really the Punk I was referring to when I said Punk I mean more Punk Rock which is boring boring boring.
I'd describe this stuff more as math rock or experimental but genres are a mess so whatever.

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#42 February 04, 2008, 10:47:20 pm

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man this is a musical genre that I know literally nothing about

someone want to inform me what makes a band noisepunk?

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#43 February 04, 2008, 11:15:00 pm

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noise punk is a band that plays noise with a punk attitude.

Shellac is one of the punker bands out there, but I never classified them as noise. Big Black is noisier.
I still insist the best combination of noise and punk is Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music. The 4 tracks of the album is pure noise, and the concept of the album is as punk as can be.

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#44 February 04, 2008, 11:58:34 pm

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Quote from: DJ Soup on February 04, 2008, 11:15:00 pm

I still insist the best combination of noise and punk is Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music. The 4 tracks of the album is pure noise, and the concept of the album is as punk as can be.

I feel vaguely ashamed to say this, but I never actually listened to that album... I might pick it up later in the week, though...

Quote from: Afura on February 04, 2008, 10:05:15 pm

The stuff I heard wasn't really the Punk I was referring to when I said Punk I mean more Punk Rock which is boring boring boring.
I'd describe this stuff more as math rock or experimental but genres are a mess so whatever.

This kinda depends on what you mean by punk... If you think that punk refers to that obnoxious frat-boy-rock bullshit hawked by NOFX and Sum 41 and all those other mohicanned shitheads, you'd be right in saying it's boring... But punk actually just refers to music that values stuff like energy and innovation and a DIY mentality over stuff like technical skill, etc...

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ThugTears666

#45 February 05, 2008, 12:12:14 am

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Quote from: thecatamites on February 04, 2008, 11:58:34 pm

This kinda depends on what you mean by punk... If you think that punk refers to that obnoxious frat-boy-rock bullshit hawked by NOFX and Sum 41 and all those other mohicanned shitheads, you'd be right in saying it's boring... But punk actually just refers to music that values stuff like energy and innovation and a DIY mentality over stuff like technical skill, etc...

I get the DIY motivation and the energy and stuff like that but I'd prefer people who are good at instruments rather than someone who has a good "message".
Music is about music, if you want to spread a message and happen to be a shitty musician then go make a private club or something. However if they incorporate both message and musicianship then I am all for it.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#46 February 05, 2008, 12:14:32 am

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hahhahahaha wow.

ps they are good at their instruments.

they are not fucking VIRTUOSOS but do you really want to go there with me because I will crush you like a carrot cuisine.

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#47 February 05, 2008, 12:22:27 am

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i like my dream theater over your shitty punk... heh

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ThugTears666

#48 February 05, 2008, 12:25:49 am

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Quote from: crushed by a CaRRot CuSine on February 05, 2008, 12:14:32 am

hahhahahaha wow.

ps they are good at their instruments.

they are not fucking VIRTUOSOS

im aware of this thanks!, im saying i dont like shitty punk bands who ARE NOT good at their instruments.

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#49 February 05, 2008, 12:47:07 am

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Quote from: Afura on February 05, 2008, 12:12:14 am

I'd prefer people who are good at instruments rather than someone who has a good "message".

that's such a snob's cliched phrase

Music is not about BEING GOOD WITH THE INSTRUMENTS, but rather about making a composition of sounds that you'll find appealing. Messages are part of artistic expression, usually it is what motivate many musicians when the aim is not mostly financial gain.
Personally I don't give a damn about instrumental talent at all. All I care for is stuff that sound nice, sounds that are interestingly arranged, that seem to emit a feeling or message or whatever.
Being good at instruments is the last thing going on in my mind

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#50 February 05, 2008, 12:59:10 am

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Quote from: DJ Soup on February 05, 2008, 12:47:07 am

that's such a snob's cliched phrase

Music is not about BEING GOOD WITH THE INSTRUMENTS, but rather about making a composition of sounds that you'll find appealing. Messages are part of artistic expression, usually it is what motivate many musicians when the aim is not mostly financial gain.

Im also aware of this, I dont listen to stuff for technicality either. All I'm saying is, I dont like Punk Rock which is shitty recording, shitty playing but cool message.

I don't like music which sounds bad because the artist SUCKS. It's a pretty simple opinion.

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#51 February 05, 2008, 12:59:41 am

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Quote from: Afura on February 05, 2008, 12:25:49 am

im aware of this thanks!, im saying i dont like shitty punk bands who ARE NOT good at their instruments.

what about people with messages that REJECT melody?

anarchopunk and Lou Reed come to mind!

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ThugTears666

#52 February 05, 2008, 01:06:58 am

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Quote from: crushed by a CaRRot CuSine on February 05, 2008, 12:59:41 am

what about people with messages that REJECT melody?

anarchopunk and Lou Reed come to mind!

but im sure they have some talent

im saying i dont like people who cant play music and are talentless
whats the big deal haha

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#53 February 05, 2008, 01:07:55 am

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these people were not being discussed in the topic and were dismissed already as Blink 182 shit and you came into the topic to troll about how metal is better

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#54 February 05, 2008, 01:12:14 am

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Quote from: crushed by a CaRRot CuSine on February 05, 2008, 01:07:55 am

these people were not being discussed in the topic and were dismissed already as Blink 182 shit and you came into the topic to troll about how metal is better

And then I revised my opinion in the second post. (oops and my third post at the top of the page). So I was no longer referring to the bands he was talking about as I stated.

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#55 February 05, 2008, 01:33:16 am

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Quote from: DJ Soup on February 05, 2008, 12:47:07 am

that's such a snob's cliched phrase

Music is not about BEING GOOD WITH THE INSTRUMENTS, but rather about making a composition of sounds that you'll find appealing. Messages are part of artistic expression, usually it is what motivate many musicians when the aim is not mostly financial gain.
Personally I don't give a damn about instrumental talent at all. All I care for is stuff that sound nice, sounds that are interestingly arranged, that seem to emit a feeling or message or whatever.

well people that arent good at their instruments frequently struggle to create stuff that sounds nice, is interestingly arranged and seem to emit a feeling or message

cause I can play guitar with all the feeling in the fucking world but you wouldnt want to listen to it becuase I cant play guitar for half a damn

also: "noise punk is a band that plays noise with a punk attitude. " this doesnt help me much

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#56 February 05, 2008, 02:38:10 am

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uh i dunno what to tell you because there's not more to it. it is as simple as i described. maybe listening to the bands help

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#57 February 05, 2008, 02:44:50 am

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lol Wolf Eyes.

The Gerogerigegege are awesome, I'm reasonably sure that they're relatively similar to this "noise-punk" you speak of. They're definitely a band that all of you I-ONLY-APPRECIATE-TECHNICAL-GREATNESS-HOW-CAN-YOU-LISTEN-TO-THAT-ALL-IT-IS-IS-RANDOM-NOISES folks can all safely skip over.

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#58 February 05, 2008, 02:59:04 am

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man shep you are really acting like a snob/pretentious person. its prolly just the way you write but giving something like Metal Machine Music artistic value and defending it on the basis of punk attitude and message is pretty much the definition of pretentious, which really makes sense knowing that you like Zappa (and Beefheart perhaps?) however, to not sound like a total dick, i admire your musical knowledge and opinions and taste. the way you describe punk seems to easily convey that this is your genre of choice along with bands like AMT. You are a rebel and freespirited and like defying conventional notions in most of life's aspects.

In conclusion, I have an extemely open mind about music, but I also have a pretty good idea of what "is" and what critics/fans "say is". I would enjoy having a debate with you.

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ThugTears666

#59 February 05, 2008, 03:23:00 am

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Quote from: Shru on February 05, 2008, 02:44:50 am

They're definitely a band that all of you I-ONLY-APPRECIATE-TECHNICAL-GREATNESS-HOW-CAN-YOU-LISTEN-TO-THAT-ALL-IT-IS-IS-RANDOM-NOISES folks can all safely skip over.

Who said this?

I listen many songwriters who arent technical.

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#60 February 05, 2008, 03:29:54 am

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Is Polysics noise punk

Because I kinda like them

http://djsaint-hubert.bandcamp.com/

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