I'm getting this shit.

yea i'm totally gonna buy this and then play it for five hours and then never again


edit:  PUUUUUUMPED

yea i'm totally gonna buy this and then play it for five hours and then never again


edit:  PUUUUUUMPED

man I don't understand this

I always get addicted to the gta games, and I've probably invested like 120 hours into both gta3 and vice city (ive beat the storylines many many times, got 100% on different saves etc) and about 40 or so in san andreas (san andreas really went downhill after a while imo)

gta is so addictive i dont get how you can spend only 5 hrs on one

because the missions are generally pretty uninteresting and repetitive and i get tired of FINDING VINNY AND GETTING THE MONEY HE OWES and once you get past that it's really only fun to drive around and kill people for a few minutes before that, too, gets old.

IGN's video review was... wow. I had no idea the game looks that good. And it seems like they really improved the gameplay which is nice.

Can't wait.

The multiplayer thing looks awesome but I never take IGN's reviews seriously.

with that said i get tired of half-life 2 because you shoot things with guns and sometime solve derivitive puzzles which revolve around picking up thing and placing it on thing.

The appeal of the GTA games doesn't boil around missions or killing shit (although that certainly appeals to some gamers) but the fact that they're actually designed well.  It's not quite a racing game but there are racing missions and the engine is advanced enough to handle dozens of cars and make them feel different.  It's not an action game but there's still plenty of action and shit to do.  It's not a RPG or adventure game but the plot lines are generally more interesting and well written than 90% of everything else available.

GTA is basically a combination of several GOOD THINGS into one game.  You can pick apart any product to its bare bones and say "this game sucks because i press "x" a dozen times a minute and kill monster A constantly" but what seperates the GOOD games from the BAD games is the effort the developers put in their products.  When you play GTA you can tell that Rockstar put some thought into its design and that rubs off on the gameplay.

It's a shame you get bored giving vinny his money but I can't think of a single game on the market past or present that wasn't "ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL... A HUNDRED TIMES" until the very end.  Maybe one day an avante garde developer will make a game about doing nothing in as long as time possible-- oh wait, they already have a game like that

the difference is that while hl2 and most other games force you to do SOMETHING over and over, it doesn't really seem to get old.  i don't think you can compare HAVING TO SHOOT THINGS in an fps with doing too-similar missions in a game like gta or uh... spider-man 2 when it came out which was the same 5 missions over and over.  what's more, i never thought the plotlines were especially well done, and i thought the action was limited by the fact that the controls were poor and if you judged it AS AN ACTION GAME then it wouldn't be a very good one because there was a complete lack of things like combos or anything else of that nature that modern action games depend upon to be interesting.

but yeah you are really reaching here, bakusan.  well... in mario bros. you have to jump over and over so therefore the extreme repetition that takes place in other games.  i never understood why you guys got boners over GO THERE AND DO THIS MISSION, THEN COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER SIMILAR MISSION, REPEAT.  actually, no, that's not true.  i get it; you like the setting and the story and the repetition is justified by progression of the narrative.  but i just never thought the stories in any of the gta games were any good beyond being vague mafia movie rip-offs.  oh also the settings always felt incredibly lifeless to me, which killed the immersion factor.  this was in part due to the subpar graphics and also to the fact that they had like 8 character models that they just reused to populate the entire city.  i understand that this was a hardware limitation, and hopefully gta 4 will do much better in this respect, but it was a pretty big problem with the game in my eyes.  it didn't even feel like a real city to me.  also the ai blew so that didn't help the population feel like real people, either.

Yes I CAN compare it to having to shoot things because the entire basis of video games is doing the same repetitive tasks over and over again until completion.  I'm not reaching for fuck shit here I am telling you exactly to the letter what a video game IS. 

You're the only one who's reaching here because every GTA mission isn't the same.  They may be made up of the same basic goals such as escaping from an enemy, alluding the cops, or assassinating the targets (which boils down to RUN AWAY, DRIVE REALLY FAST, and SHOOTING STUFF in that order) but every video game in existence (notice the bold because that is important) is designed around a single basic idea that you do until completion.

Just reading your comments for the past 6 months already drills in my head that you hate video games which is fine.  I don't care.  I just find it stupidly hilarious that you complain about the lack of length in modern games but when a game comes out that is actually LONG (and the length isn't artificial by forcing you to sit through 20 hours of cutscenes) you instantly complain because it gets boring really really fast. 

The problem isn't the games it's YOU.  You don't know what you want as a gamer which is understandable because everyone sits down and questions what they're spending their money on but I'm not naive and nihilistic enough to claim that everything released is a waste of time and totally arbitrary because it doesn't specifically appeal to me (notice how I also put that bold).

fuck

ahaha it's funny because i actually said i think most games over 40 or 50 hours overstay their welcome, so it's not like i'm sitting here being like "this one's too short ​(( (ten hours is nuts btw)" and then "this one's too long ​((" but yeah you're really looking at things in a ridiculous way and i think this is obvious from the fact that if i used your logic, no game would ever be able to be criticized for being repetitive, ever.

the problem here is definitely gta.  you're right in saying that i might not know what i want entirely (although, a lot of the time i do!), but i very much know what i do not want.

do you know why comparing gta to EVERY GAME EVER is dumb, marcus?  it's because there's a difference between repetition of content, and repetition of action.  you take a game like ratchet and clank or some other platformer where you basically throw your wrench around the entire game.  this is forgivable and usually not looked upon as HIGHLY REPETITIVE in a bad way because the focus isn't on throwing your wrench to begin with.  the focus is on level navigation, solving puzzles, countering/evading different enemies.  there's repetition in all games, this is true, but most GOOD games temper it with a variation in the content.  you get new weapons to use that there's actually a practical difference between, you encounter enemies that there are actually practical differences between, the locations are varied, and so are the puzzles (read: varied, not difficult.  they actually require the use of different TOOLS IN YOUR ARSENAL or whatever).  yes, you walk around swinging a wrench, but this is not the crux of the gameplay, and what COULD be viewed as the crux of the gameplay mixes it up enough to make up for this.

gta doesn't do this.  in gta, it's not just the actions that are repetitive (firing a gun, MOVING WITH THE DIRECTIONAL PAD, etc), it's the content, and the locales.  because of the graphical limitations, most of the various locales in the city feel identical to one another, in addition to being lifeless.  the settings and environment don't really vary all that much compared to other good games.  but beyond that, the content is the big issue.  i can forgive a platformer making me PRESS A TO JUMP over and over again (is this seriously your justification for all repetition in games marcus?  jesus christ i can't even believe we're having this conversation) because that's just an action; it's what you have to do to get through the content, but it's much more difficult to forgive repetition content in gta because THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE THERE TO DO.  i don't understand how you do not differentiate between the repetition inherent in firing a gun over and over while you go through content, and the repetition inherent in said content that's actually the reason you're playing a game, while you do basically the same missions over and over again.  one is way way worse and it's really not fair at all to compare action to content.