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I try not to say "thats retarded" and things like that as much as I used too, like many people here said before. it makes you feel like a huge dick if someone is around,who is actually handicapped, or someone that knows someone who is, and so on
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Seriously though, this sort of rejection of this type of thing because UGH PC is pretty batshit.  People have this aversion to political correctness' increasing role in our culture because idk, I guess they're too dumb to understand why what they're saying is bad, or maybe they just don't give a shit, or maybe it's a PERSONAL LIBERTY issue who the fuck knows, but it's totally unnecessary.  The entire point of things like this is to be more sensitive to what these words mean to other people, and how they affect them when you say it.  That's really it; so many people just do not understand or empathize with people around them and I think everyone's lives would be a lot better if people at least made an effort instead of callously dismissing these things.  So yeah the answer is that if you ignore things like this then it makes you an insensitive asshole and that's probably part of the reason people don't like you Catslacks!

Also, Stadsport's post is pretty bad because it assumes that you can just take words that have long historic meanings and connotations, and evoke a myriad of emotions from the people who hear them as a result, and just completely redefine their meaning.  Oh okay, nigger isn't a racial slur for black people, it just means you're dumb and lazy, REGARDLESS of race.  Nevermind the fact that it originated as being specifically intended for blacks, or that the word itself has centuries of vitriol and hate attached to it, the meaning of the word just suddenly changed.  I guess all the people who dislike hearing it because of what it means to them and because of the era it brings to mind should just put it all out of their mind, because Stadsport says it doesn't mean that anymore.  Thanks, Stadsport!  Thank you for enlightening us, for... cluing us in.

Hey, you know what, when I say cunt, I don't mean it as a sexist pejorative term for women, I just mean it as in women who nag too much, and not even just women, either!  You know, if a dude's nagging too much, he's a cunt too.  It's important to note that this isn't incredibly naive or insensitive at all, even though to anyone with an inkling of intelligence, it seems like it clearly is.

So yeah that's an awful argument.  Faggot isn't as bad as nigger in this respect, but it's not GOOD, either.  There're still a few decades of fairly intense prejudice attached to the word; you can't just erase all that on a whim.
Last Edit: May 27, 2008, 03:56:31 pm by headphonics
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No no no no word filters are retarded (heh sorry if you have downs syndrome...)
If you think these terms are dumb, just don't use them. Don't force others not to use them by some WORD POLICE, thats so fucking stupid. Or if you do place a filter, replace the term by something gay(HEH) like "THE N-WORD NO ONE SHALL SPEAK" so everyone knows GW members are too fucking dumb to understand why some words are more sensitive than others without rules banning their use.
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No no no no word filters are retarded (heh sorry if you have downs syndrome...)

hey my little brother has down syndrome and yeah it pretty much makes me very sad when people make thoughtless jokes about it. this isn't the worst one i've seen by far but just here is an example of a person who doesn't like that word at all.
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well I did say I was sorry, so it was far from thoughtless!

Well that is, it WAS thoughtless for any person who could be offended by the term "retarded" who had a condition that was NOT Downs syndrome, because it seems to imply I am only sorry for people who suffer of DOWNS and not of all the thousands of other conditions out there.
(and also I should have added a part about the sicknesses and ailments we do not know about yet, just in case someone reads this in a few years and a new brain illness is discovered until then...)

(heh heh Im like, making a point about the fact we would have to draw a line between the kinds of people that are okay to insult and the kinds that arnt, which makes these word filters dumb)

(heh heh my point again is, we have to make our own decisions about what we choose to use and not place some sort of system to make that choice for us)
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what? you're missing the entire point and saying stupid shit. i barely even understand you. guass your the refard lmao!!!

the reasons words like faggot and retard would be acceptable to put in a word filter is because these words have no defensible reason to exist. just because you use them in some other context does not dissolve the kind of hurt they carry for many people, or the awfulness of their original and STILL WIDELY ACCEPTED definition (outside of stupid fuckers on forums). you don't want people edging in on what is "acceptable" to say? well how about this isn't about you or your shitty jokes. it's about the people who can't help whatever it is the words were invented for. an decent person wouldn't have some kind of problem with these words being filtered out on discussion forums. the reason we have moderation is to keep discussions you know, somewhat civilised and fair. i'm not saying okay faggot is filtered out that word will never be a problem again! but it would remove some ugliness from the forums and i dunno it would just make me feel better to come to a place where people don't say faggot because it is a juvenile and pathetic word.
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I got it covered guys, I am filtering every bad word on the forums. I'll have it done soon.
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Yeah I'm just going to go on record as saying I think filtering every insensitive word people might be inclined to use here is a bad idea!
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i'm not trying to demand it, i just mean to say i can't think of any good arguments against it and i already said a couple which seem justified to me.
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I say cocksucker more than I would fag or faggot, because it's just so much more satisfying to say, but I still make an effort to tone it down when there's a chance people will misinterpret it... Still, I think that some swearwords just fit a situation so well that it kind of overrides whatever stigma they have. I mean, a word like 'pussy' might be misogynist but sometimes it's just the exact right word to use when describing a specific person. So while I won't just use it indiscriminantly regardless of context, I won't just completely throw it away either.
So yeah, I guess people just have to find their own balance between being a rabidly anti-PC insensitive asshole and becoming one of those people who say darn or sugar when they want to say shit or fuck.
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lets try to defend the existence of the following words: "fuck", "crap", "shit", "dung", "mathematics", "orthopedic", "blubbering".
I say we ban these fuckers. We replace them with "heh".
Also ban the letter z. Who the fuck uses that one.

I don't know about you, but I cut out these words from all of the dictionaries I have at home. I also entirely ignore people who use them. I know, I could just not use them myself because I think they're fucking stupid words, but I thought of going that extra mile and also force everyone around me to do the same thing. Heh... thats how I roll....
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I have a housemate who has a "homophobia is gay" badge :)
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anti-PC insensitive asshole and becoming one of those people who say darn or sugar when they want to say shit or fuck.

i guess i should point out i'm not one of the latter group obviously. words like shit fuck dick pussy asshole prick etc are good words i say. see now i feel a little silly cos i never imagined feeling like i would be on that side of the argument i just can't think of any place words like faggot, retard or nigger have on discussion forums which are aiming for anything higher than the youtube comments page.
Last Edit: May 27, 2008, 04:59:28 pm by real_jamicus
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Well, I think the thing is, you can't compare normal obscenities to slurs.  Obscenities may offend some people, but they're generally pretty accepted and I don't think there's a language in existence that doesn't have them so that's just kind of part of language as a whole.  Racial slurs are actually insensitive to entire groups of people and are almost guaranteed to offend.  There's a huge difference between a word that originated as a way to express strong emotion or whatever and a word that originated as a way to subjugate and hurt people.  So yeah I don't really think you can just draw parallels between words like shit and fuck and words like faggot and nigger.

To be fair, pussy and cunt are borderline, especially the latter, but things like dick, prick, asshole, et al are fairly incomparable to legitimate slurs, I would say.
Last Edit: May 27, 2008, 05:04:15 pm by headphonics
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was that is response to me? cos i don't disagree with any of that
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No, it was a response to Pyschoskull and maybe catamites since he mentioned traditional swearing as well.
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I wasn't actually trying to say that 'nigger' is in any way equivalent to 'fuck', I was just using it as an example of the two extremes: on one hand you've got saying what you want regardless of how insensitive it is, and on the other you have avoiding any possibility of offending people at all no matter how slight the odds of it might be. The latter was mainly based on this article (http://hugoboy.typepad.com/hugo_schwyzer/2004/09/words_words_wor.html) where the guy says words like 'asshole' and 'sucks' are anti-gay.
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My idea that people should simply not use them by their own accord rather than have a system that prevents their use in the first place still stands, regardless of what the words are.
Some subject matters are also very sensitive for some people too. Like rape. Should we place a forum-wide ban on topics talking about rape in the news or in general? A lot of people get raped you know, and I'm sure that the word "rape" or even "sex" could have a much worse effect on them than the word "nigger" or "faggot" on blacks and homosexuals. Also, are we allowed to talk about racism itself? Would topics about racism be filled with "THE N-WORD" when someone quotes Mel Gibson?
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the point is a word such as rape or WHATEVER has many different uses, and it's a word which will be necessary in order for a discussion to continue without difficultly. the words i have been talking about have one use and only one, and i don't think anyone's arguing that using those slurs is something you can defend successfull. frankie, your logic here is pathetic. apart from this one point:

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Would topics about racism be filled with "THE N-WORD" when someone quotes Mel Gibson?

this is where it might get silly, and it's why i'm not saying i believe a word filter should be put in place now! it might also get a little silly when people type these words into their messages and it comes up chocobo or whatever and everyone knows what they are saying but suddenly find it really awkward to argue against them.

so i guess a system of context warns for uses of these slurs would be the best idea, you know, allowing for absolutely necessary uses of the word so that people know what is being talked about. and i think that is what happens now, right? great job, then!

so i guess now i've thought this word filter thing through and i guess it's not such a hot idea after all. this is nothing to do with you though, frankie, you have said nothing which isn't wrong, offensive or irrelevant in this topic.
Last Edit: May 27, 2008, 05:22:59 pm by real_jamicus