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I didn't know you could overdose with vitamins? I thought vitamins went pretty much straight through you and weren't accumulated at all. Like, if you have a vitamin intake, and its not used, your body gets rid of it immediately, no?

(which is why "taking more vitamins" wont really make you "healthier", you just have problems if you don't have enough of them. (IT PREVENTS STATUS AILMENTS, IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU BONUSES TO STR. AND CON.))
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Holistic medicine is a double-edged sword.

The problem is it is NOT FDA approved, so you really don't know what is in a supplement.

However, if you have a blood test done and you know you are deficient in say Vit C (Yes, proper diet and vitamins DO help prevent disease and cancer. It's all about immune buffing.), then a Vit C tab is good.  Usually, I'd prefer just to drink OJ.  But self-perscribing can be dangerous because you can overdose on a Vitamin as well.

I decided to eat healthy (lots of spinach and stuff), and I ended up with a goiter (It's horrible)!  My physicians were like 'duh, there is nothing wrong with eating that much spinach' (so IMO, regular docs can be just as "quacky"), but after reading that too many veggies and soy (especially dark leafy stuff) can cause goiters in some people.  Once I stopped, and started eating animal products/salt products again, the goiter cleared right up.  It took awhile for the hormones to straighten back up, but I'm healthy has a horse (as far as I can tell) again. My point is mix the evil with the good.

Too Health-nut "Goods" = Goiter aka Thyroid Problems

Too Much (Smoking, drinking, Fatty Foods, etc.) "Evils" = Most likely cancer.

Basically how much you abuse either side hastens the rate.  (I got it pretty fast eating 2 bowls of spinach a day and a subway club with lots of veggies)

It's a horrible balancing act.



You need Iodine for proper thyroid health.  There is little to no Iodine in spinach.  Try taking kelp granules (sprinkle it on salads or whatever it has a salty taste) as 1/2 tsp has 100%DV of Iodine.  You don't get thyroid problems from eating too much vegetables...it's either a deficiency (iodine) or eating foods that upset it (lots of soy...etc).

Also it's possible to overdose on some vitamins/minerals because some of them are toxic at high doses but these are usually pretty high and this really only happens when people take too many supplements.  Unless you eat like 3 full bags of spinach a day then you shouldn't be worried (even I eat a lot of greens in my smoothies).
Last Edit: July 10, 2008, 03:14:04 pm by Doktormartini
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Yes, some vitamins can become too much.  I think it was polar bear liver that has so much Vitamin A in it, you'd die from eating it...
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Fat soluble Vitamins you can overdose, because unlike water soluble Vitamins they stay put until needed.
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Also as a general rule there are very few vitamins that are harmful if you have too many of them in your body.  Minerals, however, are almost universally dangerous if you take too many.
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Steel, I found two songs while digging through my old files that might cheer you up...

http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/37686/kazesong.mp3
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You need Iodine for proper thyroid health.  There is little to no Iodine in spinach.  Try taking kelp granules (sprinkle it on salads or whatever it has a salty taste) as 1/2 tsp has 100%DV of Iodine.  You don't get thyroid problems from eating too much vegetables...it's either a deficiency (iodine) or eating foods that upset it (lots of soy...etc).

Also it's possible to overdose on some vitamins/minerals because some of them are toxic at high doses but these are usually pretty high and this really only happens when people take too many supplements.  Unless you eat like 3 full bags of spinach a day then you shouldn't be worried (even I eat a lot of greens in my smoothies).

Well, one theory with spinach is since it has become iodine deprived from soils is that it does leech iodine throughout your body.

However, you have to realize it's a calcium vs. magnesium ratio (about 2 to 1).  And too much magnesium disrupts the active hormone T3 uptake.

According to the second statement, yea you can eat lots of veggies, as long as you get enough calcium (which I wasn't).  However if spinach really DOES leech iodine from the body, you can only eat so much of it.

Plus, not all salt is iodized anymore........
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cancercured at yahoo groups maybe a good support group to join.

It's somewhat holistic (and I only recommend, but highly recommend, with a really GOOD ND).

However they had a lot of success.......w/o side effects of chemo.  I self-treated my thyroid problem (no goiter woot!) because I know doctors are protocol idiots (and I have a lot of personal relations whom are physicians who confess----And even a stepmom who is a cancer doctor that KNOWS she has a thyroid problem just sitting there waiting for her TSH numbers to go up so the docs would finally treat her.....if ever).

I love to laugh at my physician when he was like "how did you lose 25 lb's in 3 weeks?" and I reply "I went back to eating meat, salt and carbs :P" And he just glazes back at me in confusion......BOOYA!!!
PWNED~!

Likewise, you can PWN cancer as well man.  Just be smart and remember, docs HAVE TO follow protocol.  I thought I was going to die and I fell asleep with a 91.8 temp (and temporary blindess plus all the symptoms in the world from my hypothyroid), but with lots of research I figured out how to fix it.....was a miracle.  For good or for worse, it is you to decide what is best as the patient.

I'm no hippie, or a stupid rep.  Just use your wisdom......

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Last Edit: July 11, 2008, 05:01:39 am by maestroanth
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Haha gl maes I recommended checking out an ND and I got shit on.
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anyway, steel, anything on the white blood cell/knee thing? are the doctors even looking further into it or are they writing it off as WHITE BLOOD CELL INJECTIONS
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Haha gl maes I recommended checking out an ND and I got shit on.

I know......

It's the ignorance in society that plagues us.

There are quacks everywhere, and it's usually the stupid, desperate, or poor that trusts them.

ND, MD, chiropracter etc. etc.,  you have to find the best of the best especially in alternatives to get results....but they work.  Not some garage door freak on quackbusters.

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today's the last day of my five day chemo for this cycle. can't wait, this whole thing is pretty boring and somehow tiring as well, probably in the drugs.

gonna nap I guess but man this is miserable!

still don't know what caused the foot/knee pain, which is a little concerning. I hope it's just TUMOR DEATH. as I said we have a CAT scan at the end of this, so that will clarify I guess.
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I didn't know you could overdose with vitamins? I thought vitamins went pretty much straight through you and weren't accumulated at all. Like, if you have a vitamin intake, and its not used, your body gets rid of it immediately, no?

A polar bear's liver is poisonous to humans because it contains so much vitamin A. You can die from it. You can  eat a polar bear's liver and it can kill you.
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it depends on the solubility of the vitamin. If it is water soluble then excess amounts will get flushed through urine or w/e, but fat soluble vitamins will accumulate in your... fat and could kill you.
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Steel, what is your home address and what is your livejournal.

Hope all is well.
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I really hope you pull through, best of luck!
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Steel, what is your home address and what is your livejournal.

Hope all is well.

I'd rather not post my home address since I am actually AT HOME meaning mom's house sooooo. as for livejournal thanks to this hand tingling I never update it, and honestly it's best to keep up with this thread.

anyways, after the five day chemo I was down on Saturday. I mean, fuck. I slept the entire fucking day. part of this is because I take an anti-anxiety med before chemo and doing it five days in a row really fucked with my head I think, I still got a bit of wooziness.

other than that, it's been okay. I have the awful taste in my mouth, there's a pinched nerve in my right shoulder that has tingling all in my right pinky and ring finger, some nausea, tiredness, but I've been all right. there's a bleomycin chemo tomorrow, but like I said that's like two hours max so. after two weeks I go in for a CAT scan. basically here's what we're looking at possibilitywise with the CAT.

1. The tumor is gone- pretty unlikely, but my god wouldn't that be great? TWO CHEMOS AND HEY IT'S GONE. too bad I could feel it this morning when I lay on my side.

2. The tumor has shrank- most certainly. I haven't had breathing problems really, no swelling, the markers all appear to be on course, chemo is having an effect almost certainly. hopefully the tumor has shrank A LOT, but we won't know

3. The tumor has remained the same- unlikely, but it's possible. this would be a bad outcome, because it means chemo is just holding it in place, not killing it. it's doubtful but that's when we really start to worry.

4. The tumor has grown- incredibly unlikely, and also scary. if this has happened, we're looking at the other side of that 50% square in the face. but there's been no real sign; the effects I've had have been chemo related, other than this pinched nerve which while worrying probably is stress related.

anyways, yeah, another chemo tomorrow, then another in a week, plus a CAT scan!

as for vitamins I'm just taking a Centrum Silver, mostly because I do eat kind of weird sometimes and it's best to stay healthy as possible through these things. I wish I wasn't so physically weak from the chemo though; I get winded going up the steps.
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