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there is god and spirituality without religion, so if you believe in one doesn't mean you need the other. just remember that before you let mormons and mkkmypet try to convince you into religion. i know your too much of a smarty for them but im just sayin'.

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Mongoloid

#2806 April 28, 2009, 05:10:20 am

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this is exactly what happpened two weeks ago in house...

I haven't kept up with this topic but this page is filled with god silliness, and you have to realized spontaneous remission DOES exist, and there is proof of it, while god on the other hand...
I know you have cancer and it's got to be hard to not have answers to stuff like this, but it strikes me as ungrateful to throw away what sensibility you had before the cancer as if it were some sacrifice to whatever is fighting it. IIRC you were/are an atheist right? If there were a god that is fighting cancer for you, it would be because you can be converted, not because you were already faithful; it would be moronic to send an anonymous gift and expect a letter of thanks.

Really my opinion is if you want to maximize the damage cancer has done to your life, making an abrupt change like finding religion will definitely do the trick.

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Mongoloid

#2807 April 28, 2009, 05:14:01 am

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also, mmkmypet, was there a story about your sister in the news? I'd like to hear more about that!

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#2808 April 28, 2009, 05:15:43 am

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become less can;cr

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.

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Evangel

#2809 April 28, 2009, 05:44:49 am

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Quote from: Mongoloid on April 28, 2009, 05:10:20 am

Really my opinion is if you want to maximize the damage cancer has done to your life, making an abrupt change like finding religion will definitely do the trick.

This is a pretty shitty comment. Religion is a cookie-cutter organized form of faith that has little to do with this topic. People say believers are closed-minded, yet I've met a few atheists who are the most closed-minded people I know. Faith doesn't mean you blow all science and logic out of your head. I think it is a powerful thing that someone in a situation like this would might have new and profound thoughts on the nature of existence.

I am not a total believer of any said faith, but it is something I think about often. I am completely undecided. If I were in Steel's shoes, however, I would be rethinking a lot in my life.

keep posting...

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#2810 April 28, 2009, 02:57:46 pm

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here is the fact:

an atheist with no belief in prayer, out of
1. exasperation
2. mild curiousity
3. admittedly; the idea that when he did pray, his life was not nearly as chaotic as it was now

prayed a Hindu prayer, followed it with a "please help me", and felt his despair leave.

this is a fact, and it should not have happened. the second fact; every time I do it, I feel something, best described as peace, NOT serenity. I've never thought "aaaa i am ready for death" but rather "for the first time, I am not alone in this fight"

here are the other facts:

1. whatever it is does not define itself by any faith
2. it has demanded nothing
3. I have had a brain tumor
4. I have despaired. real despair. this makes suicide look painless. to help qualify; suicide is the knowledge that only death is an option. despair is knowing death is becoming the only option, regardless of what you do.

so can a neurological reaction of peace come from prayer you have no faith in when despair enters your heart that strongly? by all the thought in my head, it shouldn't. and yet...it HAS.

why?

the religious among you are throwing up your hands and saying IT'S GOD STUPID but this only raises more questions. does God only let people suffer as I have before taking it away? why did the prayers of no one else work, at granting serenity or if you believe in miracles, cure? doesn't that lend more creedence to the individual neurological reaction hypothesis (after all if it requires ME to pray it's in my head)?

and then the skeptical among you, you know if this was the opposite we'd be rolling our eyes. like we all know people who prayed and felt nothing; if you are an atheist I'm sure you've tried. but when it happens, being dismissive is just as insulting. we're SKEPTICAL, not religious, and as skeptics that means when something like this happens (a genuine spiritual reaction from me, someone so devotedly anti-spiritual you can probably find a dozen posts about FUCK GOD in the past year), we should think about why rather than say RELIGION WILL HURT YOU.

from a purely scientific perspective this is fascinating. the emotional value of prayer to someone who expects none.

it's also probably boring as shit to some of you, but I wish I could tell you the WEIGHT that's lifted. you have no idea. I mean I cried with joy at not FEELING like that.

something happened and even it's a stress reaction it's one I'm grateful for.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#2811 April 28, 2009, 03:00:41 pm

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also I have no interest in religion. I never have. as I did say, after this to claim HEH NO HINDUISM/CHRISTIAN EVER would be stupid if for example Jesus suddenly shows up and says "oy, faggot *spits in face* i aint helpin you till you join* well that would make me stupid as fuck, but whatever this is I think if anything RESENTS when I kind of ask SOOOO WHAT NOW. like it's not a presence but when I get to questioning, it doesn't...respond.

there's no relationship with this feeling. I have not made a real relationship with god. it's just a feeling though that I shouldn't have and I feel like if I acknowledge it and know it's there, it'll help me.

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esiann

#2812 April 28, 2009, 03:01:54 pm

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well you see your soul has just aligned itself with the great soul, creating harmony

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halibabica

#2813 April 28, 2009, 05:52:42 pm

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I don't know what to tell you, but I'll try not to fill you full of religious mumbo-jumbo. I'm not an athiest, but I'm not a devout religion-or-bust type, either. So, from what I've concluded on my own about religion...

"God" (don't know if that's really who/what it is, but that's what I'm calling it) doesn't seem to interfere with our mortal lives much. I'm sure there are people ready to rip my head off for this one, but from what I've seen, "God" isn't taking any noticeable measures to improve our world. I get the feeling that "God" is more like a silent observer that lets life play out before its eyes. It can help, but chooses not to, except in the subtlest ways (ie what recently happened to you).

This is totally unqualified bullshit depending on how credible you think I am, as I have nothing to base this on but my own experiences. There have been times in the past when I've prayed for strength to overcome something and found myself better able to do so (or feeling better about it) when the time finally came. God? Maaaaaaybe. Psychology? If you can find the proof you're looking for.

Whatever it was, I'm glad to hear you at least feel better about your situation. Good luck, Steel.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#2814 April 28, 2009, 07:55:16 pm

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man my oncologist owns. i dontk now what it is about him but every time i leave i just feel like HEH GONNA OWN THIS.

he's going to talk to dr. bosl hopefully. also my first cycle of etoposide ended yesterday so I'm on a week break.

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#2815 April 28, 2009, 08:13:13 pm

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Just stop denying him an let the healing light of our lord jesus christ into your heart

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Silhouette

#2816 April 28, 2009, 08:22:58 pm

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Quote from: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 28, 2009, 02:57:46 pm

the religious among you are throwing up your hands and saying IT'S GOD STUPID but this only raises more questions. does God only let people suffer as I have before taking it away? why did the prayers of no one else work, at granting serenity or if you believe in miracles, cure? doesn't that lend more creedence to the individual neurological reaction hypothesis (after all if it requires ME to pray it's in my head)?

and then the skeptical among you, you know if this was the opposite we'd be rolling our eyes. like we all know people who prayed and felt nothing; if you are an atheist I'm sure you've tried. but when it happens, being dismissive is just as insulting. we're SKEPTICAL, not religious, and as skeptics that means when something like this happens (a genuine spiritual reaction from me, someone so devotedly anti-spiritual you can probably find a dozen posts about FUCK GOD in the past year), we should think about why rather than say RELIGION WILL HURT YOU.

Yes, I believe in God. Yes, I'm even RELIGIOUS. So automatically people might discount whatever I say. But I know that God has a vested interest in everyone's happiness, because that is the purpose and end of our creation--to be happy.
He's not going to let you suffer alone when you're asking him for help with real intent of heart. He's going to do the thing that's best for you, for your growth in the eternal perspective. Whether it's to call you home, or to prolong your life so that you can fulfill your purpose here on the earth, he's going to make sure it happens.The trick is in realizing what it is that God wants, what's best for you, and to try to align your desires with his. And that's true happiness. The prayers of others are always good, but it's *your* prayers that he wants to hear. Just like any mortal father would want to hear of his son, not just indirectly from others, but straight from the source.

Again, this is what I know to be true. You may take it as you like it, or further ask any questions if you desire. And I still wish the best of luck for you, and pray in your behalf.

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#2817 April 28, 2009, 08:27:45 pm

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counterpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5dscqcNOGM

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Artis Leon Ivey Jr

#2818 April 28, 2009, 08:29:22 pm

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seriously dude i'm 23 and i fuckin own try this on baby's first thoughts on god.

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esiann

#2819 April 28, 2009, 08:33:01 pm

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if i were gonna make a race of men my aim would not be their happiness. it would be to see what happens

but i.. am not God

oh heavens i didn't watch that video the last time it was linked. that's chunky peanut butter and bananas.

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Silhouette

#2820 April 28, 2009, 08:40:02 pm

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Steel, I was trying to be serious. That cartoon is obviously biased against the Church and filled with untruths.

You wanted thoughts on spirituality and God. I am not trying to force Christianity or Mormonism on you, I am simply trying to respond to your questions in a way I thought might be meaningful and thought-provoking.

Please do not insult my religion or beliefs, and I will respect yours. Thank you.

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