good job at choosing a server full of queues fyi

heh

I've played some more and got magus to rank 11 and renown 8. Things get a bit more funnier after level 10. One thing I noticed is the lack Public Quest doers after just the first two (in Chaos campaign). And the game world seems rather barren after the first two camps too. It feels like either everyone's doing the quests in orc and elf areas or they majority just hangs out in pvp scenarios all day long.

heh

I've played some more and got magus to rank 11 and renown 8. Things get a bit more funnier after level 10. One thing I noticed is the lack Public Quest doers after just the first two (in Chaos campaign). And the game world seems rather barren after the first two camps too. It feels like either everyone's doing the quests in orc and elf areas or they majority just hangs out in pvp scenarios all day long.

Also, most scenarios in tier 2 and above suck. Most are some form of capture the flag, and it is really dull. This is PVP, I want to run around killing people, not try to avoid people to win.
And in capture the flag Magus' in particular are very unimportant. They have poor crowd control (have to stand right next to the flag holder for it to work), and their burst damage sucks so they can't kill the flag holder :[

Also, most scenarios in tier 2 and above suck. Most are some form of capture the flag, and it is really dull. This is PVP, I want to run around killing people, not try to avoid people to win.
And in capture the flag Magus' in particular are very unimportant. They have poor crowd control (have to stand right next to the flag holder for it to work), and their burst damage sucks so they can't kill the flag holder :[

I gotta stop reading your posts in here you seem to hate everything good about pvp

No, the 30 scenarios in Tier 2 and up do not suck! Just because you don't like the couple CTF ones doesn't mean they all suck. Go to another area and play a non-CTF match and level there then. CTF maps are more unique in this because of knock backs & knock downs and such anyways.

Also your a Magus, you're not supposed to kill anything or have epic CC, so if you wanted to do either you really picked the wrong class. You're a defensive spell caster, so you come in handy during things where a defensive spell caster is handy.

I gotta stop reading your posts in here you seem to hate everything good about pvp

Nah, it's just in PVP (and any similar game, such as FPS games) I'm not too fond of things like capture the flag type games. I prefer  PVP games where the objective is to go around actually killing each other, not running away from someone.
Also, if you have ever tried a capture the flag game, you'd realise they are pretty much broken unless you have a class with a long ranged slow down/stun effect, otherwise it is impossible to catch upto the person holding the flag, and whoever gets the flag first wins.

Also your a Magus, you're not supposed to kill anything or have epic CC, so if you wanted to do either you really picked the wrong class. You're a defensive spell caster, so you come in handy during things where a defensive spell caster is handy.

Magus' are not defensive spellcasters.
Firstly, there is nothing in the game to defend. Secondly, they get no abilities to defend things with anyway (and we are just as squishy as a Bright Wizard), other than "pets", which by the way are useless for any sort of defence (we also cannot leave pets behind to defend things, because they just drop dead once we get to far away). Also, the vast majority of Magus spells are pure damage dealing spells (by level 40 they get like... 4-5 abilities out of 30 which don't deal damage).
Magus are ranged damage dealers, our job is to deal damage, which means our job is also to kill things. Magus are about as much a defensive spellcaster as a Bright Wizard is a tank (not at all). And infact a Bright Wizard would make a better defensive caster than a Magus would.
The major difference between a Magus and Bright Wizard is that a Bright Wizard is good at killing someone, a Magus on the other hand is good at damaging large groups of people (without actually killing them).

Also, to "defend" things, you actually do have to kill people. Just hitting them or stunning them or whatever does not stop them from taking an objective, as long as they stand near it and are alive they can take it.

Nah, it's just in PVP (and any similar game, such as FPS games) I'm not too fond of things like capture the flag type games. I prefer  PVP games where the objective is to go around actually killing each other, not running away from someone.

Kiting to a better position or running away lol if you like is part of the pvp not something getting in the way of pvp

Basically I think you should just go play tf2. NOT CTF_MAPS THOUGH!

Kiting to a better position or running away lol if you like is part of the pvp not something getting in the way of pvp

Basically I think you should just go play tf2. NOT CTF_MAPS THOUGH!

Kiting in this game is impossible against other players. Running away is really bugged too (enemies can hit you from like 50ft away when you are running with melee attacks, but my 30ft aoe crowd control spell does not hit them and stop them from chasing me?).

But yeah. Capture the flag in this game is really not fun at all. The first team to get the flag will win within minutes of getting it, this has always happened in the 10 or so matches I have been part of. If you are lucky one of two people will have been killed during the entire match, otherwise you spent basically 30 minutes waiting in a queue so you could run around a map for 3 minutes, doing more or less nothing but chasing after a person, or running away from them.
To make it even more fun, the "flag" on each map is rarely centered. It is not uncommon for one side to get to the flag way before the other side does (on the troll map the order can get to the flag and take it before destruction can even get to the flag). So basically if you play one map you'll more than likely always lose, but if you play the other you'll probably always win.

Just go and play a capture the flag scenario. You'll soon understand why I say they suck.

Another thing that sucks about PVP in this game is that once you reach a certain level the low level areas totally get cut off from you. This includes scenarios and RVR. Once you reach level 12 just try to go the a tier 1 RVR zone of scenario, you will be turned into a chicken (literally) and all your stats will drop to like 1%.
I can maybe understand this in RVR to stop high level players from ruining the fun, but what is wrong with making lower tier scenarios accessible for everyone? (People could just be grouped together by level range, so you don't end up with level 1 people against level 40 peoples and so on).

Magus' are not defensive spellcasters.

Character Select Screen.

Magus.

Role: Defensive Spellcaster.

sry

And yes there are tons of points to defend, cap points, flags, keeps.

Also if kiting is impossible for you to do, you're doing it wrong.

Character Select Screen.

Magus.

Role: Defensive Spellcaster.

sry

And yes there are tons of points to defend, cap points, flags, keeps.

Also if kiting is impossible for you to do, you're doing it wrong.

Go and read the descriptions of any class in the game. You will soon find that they are all pretty inaccurate to say the least.
Apparently Magus can set up the field for ambush or defense with their demons. Which they can summon only one, deals so low damage than natural Hp regeneration is higher than it and can be killed in 2 hits by a healer... Great ambush/defence if I ever saw it. Maybe if I could summon... 10-20 of them they would be useful, but I can't.
Also, the official description for a Magus says they are "defensive spellcaster who specializes in casting offensive magic"... Which pretty much says just how crappy the descriptions for these classes actually are.


But whatever, http://www.wardb.com/search.aspx?browse=6.1.16
Just list 5 of those abilities which help with defending a point, which are at least somewhat unique to a Magus.
If you notice only 9 out of those 39 abilities don't deal damage, and 3 of those (summons) are just indirect ways of dealing more damage (which is all a pet does). 2 are pet related and have very little use at all. And only 3 of them could even be considered defensive at all (even then, they are short duration self buffs). Only 2 of them are crowd control spells, but they both have short ranges and don't actually stop anyone from attacking or defend anything, just stop people from moving.
Of those 30 damage dealing spells maybe 4 of them have an additional effect that could be considered defensive (knock backs, slow down effects or interrupting a spell being cast).
Honestly, sounds like a "defensive" caster if I ever saw one.

Go and play as a Magus. I am level 16 and I know for a fact that they are in no way a defensive caster, you'll know the same by the time you reach that level. It is like I said, a Magus is good at softening up large groups of enemies with their variety of AOE DOTs, but they lack any real killing power.

Also, defending points requires killing people. You cannot defend a flag unless you kill whoever is trying to take it. A Magus only has good damage output against groups of people, but lacks any serious killing power. A Sorcerer on the other hand can kill people and kills them fast, and would make a much better "defensive caster" than a Magus would due to this (they also have better abilities for keeping people away from flags while they kill them).

As for kiting. Go and try it yourself. Firstly it is kind of hard to keep someone at distance and attack them when you have to stand still for a few seconds to even hit them and lack any abilities to keep them at a range. Secondly all but like... 2 melee attackers have ranged attacks anyway, so trying to keep a distance from them is pointless.
And due to there being a bug which I previously mentioned if anyone every gets close to you and attacks you they can keep doing so for a good 50 or so ft away from you (at least 30ft, because my crowd control ability with a 30ft radius does not hit people who are getting melee attacks on me while I am running away from them).

what server are the US players on here?

Did my first major keep siege last night, with 40+ players on either side. First round was Lords of the Dead attempting to retake the keep in Ostland, and Goon Squad defending. Later, a fresh army of several Order guilds showed up, and marched into the keep. We rushed to defend but they choked us in the downstairs room for awhile, we eventually broke through and pushed them out of the keep but the mounted counterattacks. Was definitely a TON of fun. I turned my settings to highest FPS to keep the game running at a playable level, and there was some bad lag, but our server already has huge queues and it was prime time on launch day so I guess it's to be expected. Mythic seems to be taking an interesting approach with this whole server "cloning" thing.

I took a couple of screenshots while on the ramparts:

that looks awesome.

i cant play atm cause my laptop is too crap, however my new computer is coming next week so i'll get going then (and play at max settings :-) )

The game runs great at max settings, except in situations like this. I mean, you give to give them some credit for making massive open world PVP possible. WoW cheated and made it's major PVP battles instanced.

Still haven't decided on a class to stick with, or even a faction

thats what she said.


ahahaha I laughed so hard at that. It wasn't even a good one or anything, it's just the idea of someone doing one of those while being surrounded in a keep is kinda funny to me.

Looks awesome! gj defending it.

Nice to see Lords of the Dead is still going fairly strong..

Shiiiittt. I just did my first keep defense and it was rockin.

Really digging this game

I got a level 7 Squiggy called Djibbik on Axe.. Bite.. whatever server. I'm finding more PQs that no one is doing, which sucks :/. Apart from that is nice so far. The lack of BIG CITIES is kinda weird, tho. Where am I supposed to bank and sell stuff!?

When you reach a flight master fly to the Inevitable City which is like undercity++++

it doesn't have a full compliment of high levels slash posing in front of the bank yet but then I guess neither does undercity ^^