if we get enough euro folks playing we should all play on the same server imho. but it better not be like wow where we all played together for like a week then everyone fucked off

Yeah, that'd be great. It probably won't happen for me anyway tho seeing as I have to convince a shitload of irl friends to play on that server too. ​(

This game fucking sucks.


Why did they have to make all the classes interesting so I want to play all 20 of them and can't pick a main.

a) yes you can. they've made sure to make PQ's and quests 30 minute or so affairs, and they give you a ton of rewards, so it's quite easy. Scenarios take roughly the same amount of time. You prolly can't go and SIEGE a capital city unless if you do it all in one day during a week, but yeah otherwise.

I mean, there's obviously going to be some stuff you won't be able to do or get very well in that time, like certain achievements, rare trophies, doing all the hard to find dungeons, maxing out your level SUPER ULTRA FAST (we'll not within the first couple weeks anyways), getting a max Renown Rank, or such, but you will progress a lot faster in this game than you would WoW at any rate in that amount of time, by quite a damn bit.

b) to be fair just because I play them doesn't necessarily mean I think they are good or BLINDED BY EM TO KNOW WHATS GOOD. We all enjoy stuff we think are bad some times, I'd like to think. I don't like World of Warcraft either, it's one of Blizzard's worst games next to Death and Return of Superman easily, in my book (this is compared to WC1-3, Diablo 1-2, Lost Vikings and StarCraft so it's pretty tough to top those anyways). Doesn't really stop me from playing it tho. It's easily their most unbalanced competitive game, and the competitive side is tacked on. The cooperative side holds everyones hands way too damn much and is pretty worthless up until raids which seem to just now be UBER HARD THEN NERF 3 MONTHS later ordeals. The only reason they even got into a competitive league or whatever is cause TEN MILLION PLAYERS = $$$ for the league. Everything else is just NORMAL MMO but with a bit of Blizzard polish and that is it. I can accept that it has done good stuff tho, like get more people into the genre, which is always good, but it just failed as a WarCraft game (capturing the war aspect, at least) and is just not truly innovative at all. The only reason I even play it is because of the lore and because sometimes I can't figure out what I want to do in some spare time and just load it up. I play a lot of Korean MMORPGs just to laugh at them (not so much anymore, haven't played one in months) because I enjoy seeing how much they suck (they always do). I guess this is like masochism in a way. The only MMORPGs (and 1's not even a real MMORPG) I've ever enjoyed and truly could go from start to finish and say "yeah I had a good time that was fun" each and every time I played, are Guild Wars, D&DO for the trial, and Dark Age of Camelot (mind you, I quit it before a lot of the expansions came out, but still.)

Warhammer Online even in its buggy state it was in during the PW was easily added to that list. Easily. Tho you'll prolly blow all what I just typed off cause of HEH YEA SURE or something, it's quite easily the most fun I've had in an online RPG in quite some time. (since Guild Wars came out.)

c) yea it's in the OP.

Well that's the thing with what I like about the game actually, like in WoW you basically have one option to get gear up to level 70, and that is to just do quests and shit because no one cares about the BG loot. At 70 you get like 2 options (ooo): grind through raids, or grind through playing Arenas. I mean this really depends on what you define grind I guess, but right from the start you can instantly queue for a scenario at level 1 and you'll get bolstered up to level 10ish with level 10 stats etc and just level up from that and get gear from that, and there's a ton of them.

Or you can do your quests.

or you can do PQ's (Public Quests, explained in the OP)

Or you can kill other players.

Or you can go look for dungeons / hidden areas.

Or you can go to the Open PvP zones and kill things there to get loot & bonuses

And that's all the main options you'll have (you can get stuff from the Tome of Knowledge and Influence too!), and then there's capturing keeps too, and once you get to Tier 4 that adds an option of capturing a capital city. I mean, if you're strictly a PVE ONLY PLAYER or a PVP ONLY PLAYER it's going to seem very grindy (a tad more so, anyways...less variation anyways) I would think because you get like 2 options for each really and you're missing out on the full experience. A hybrid player is going to not see much grind at all because you can do what I said in the OP: queue for a scenario, while you wait do quests, go into scenario, win/lose & get shit, requeue instantly, continue quests, etc. And kill players while waiting. You get gear kinda fast in this game, I mean if I had to say it YES it is fundamentally just doing stuff to replace your gear over and over again, but then I have to ask you, what RPG (not even talking MMORPG) isn't? But it gives you a lot of options (33 scenarios, tons of areas, a ton of PQ's, etc.) and choices on how you want to get that gear, and a lot of different looks so at the least you don't look the same as everyone else, and it doesn't take as long as WoW's level 70 content does to get maxed out, even at the higher levels. Gear also matters less than it does in WoW.

Really, a lot of the content seems to be for getting XP & Renown & Influence, less so gear, the gear is just icing on the cake. Skills & Masteries & Tactics and Skill itself is far more important than your gear, hell they have an award for completing PQ's naked!

Also you should be able to get to end-game I'd think, but really if DAOC is any indication, Mythic handles end game pretty damn well.

Nah leveling isn't a pain it's quite easy and there was a few times where I hadn't even noticed how close I was to leveling. I didn't even care, the XP bar might as well not be there, really. Also, it's pretty damn balanced considering it's a beta product still. People still need to get into the WAR mindset (people are calling -healing % debuffs mortal strike effects....uhg....) and remember what classes can all do what at perfect accuracy, but it's not like there's any glaring issues of one class completely blowing 1-2+ classes out of the water completely, or obviously bad game design decisions like say on the scale of paladin itemization in WoW. Hell, even the Squig Herder and White Lion were useful back then and their pet's AI was bugged (they would walk into whole other zones away from you.).

PQ = Public Quest (explained in OP)
PW = Preview Weekend (which was buggy but it's not buggy anymore really, they fixed a lot.)

ok so i just preordered this, its coming along with my new comp (18th september).

my hopes are high (if its shit, HL, i'm blaming you.)

fuck it. I just pre-orderered (UK/EU version) from Direct-2-Drive. You (europeans) are going down!

also whats the deal with mounts?  i see that theyre there, but are there level reqs/insanely high prices?  and what other types of transportation are there?

They are like level 20 or 30 or something I forgot, and they are pretty cheap.

And I don't know about other transportation actually!

and you know i just noticed this looks, uh... a lot like wow!  only the models don't look as good (i attribute this to them going for a less cartoony, more apparently dated aesthetic that doesnt age as well, though), and the animations all seem to blow.  i hope they fix this!  although as long as the system reqs are fairly low and it runs smoothly, i guess it's not a big deal.  i remember how for the first year of wow, you would just freeze up for 90 seconds any time you entered ironforge.

i'm assuming by looks like WoW you mean graphically cause the gameplay is nothing really like it at all, in which case it really isn't. WoW uses a less detailed look, that is cartoony, and so all the low detail sorta blends together and is pleasing to the eyes.

Warhammer uses high detail models, that are darker (since WH is a dark world). All of the videos on the OP are from the CB where the graphics options weren't sorted out (read: not in the game), and it looks a lot more darker & detailed in-game now.

Looks wise though they will look similar to a point, I mean WarCraft is based on/ripped off of (was originally meant to be a WH game...) Warhammer, there's tons of similarities in looks and such but they definitely have 2 different styles in-game once you get in there and aren't looking at compressed video (the High Quality one can sorta show it off, but again, it's missing lightning systems, and every graphics option there now is, so don't really hold that to it either.)

as far as classes go, idk.  the one that was like a rogue with a gun seemed okay, and so did the shadow hunter or w/e one that was like a rogue/hunter combined.  the mage that had to balance its combustion also seemed sorta cool, but i'm more of a melee guy i think.  i might be interested in some type of hunterish class, too, if they're good or intriguing at all.  the marauder also sounded like it might be cool but you didn't give a whole lot of info so i dunno.

Yea, I didn't give a lot of info cause I didn't play one much. Basically, they have to keep their left hand free at all times, and have like 2 mutations (well I only got 2 at my level), that when used transform the left hand into a claw/blade. They wind up able to do just a little less DPS than the Rogue type classes, but have more armor. I still don't know much else, but I plan on trying one out soon!

Okay I just got done downloading the Fileplanet beta client (ugh 100000 hours!!) and installing etc but it won't let me log into the patcher. I assume this is because the head start or whatever hasn't begun yet or something? That or I don't know which of the 30 accounts they want you to use (Seriously i had to make like, a master account, a game account, and email account, a beta center account! What the hell!?)

You have to wait til the Open Beta starts, and use your game account.

Preordered this shit off amazon.co.uk because direct2drive wouldn't accept any card I have. Can't play beta tho cause amazon.co.uk isn't a preorder partner (amazon.com is)

should arrive on 18th or 19th........... war is comin.....

Preordered this shit off amazon.co.uk because direct2drive wouldn't accept any card I have. Can't play beta tho cause amazon.co.uk isn't a preorder partner (amazon.com is)

should arrive on 18th or 19th........... war is comin.....

We cant be beta buddies :<

who wants to be my beta buddy??

Here's some pics of the armor sets, I think these are still in CB tho, but yea.

Preordered this shit off amazon.co.uk because direct2drive wouldn't accept any card I have. Can't play beta tho cause amazon.co.uk isn't a preorder partner (amazon.com is)

should arrive on 18th or 19th........... war is comin.....

Shoulda preordered from Play.com.

D2D wouldn't accept any of my cards, either. What a dorky site.

heh maybe mark should just cancel hispre-order from amazon (everyone else did) and do it on play.com. ;d

So who all has the US beta, besides me, NightBlade, and rajew. I want to play with more gws.

so spend 1$ to get into the beta at target and spend 50$ on a game 2-3 weeks from now when it comes out!

You know you want to...