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Ryan

#201 May 29, 2009, 06:00:35 am

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i (think i) know what they both are, i just thought they were slightly contradictory! i always thought of neoconservatism as direct WE GONNA CONQUER YOU imperialism, ie iraq, while neoliberalism was the more economic imperialism approach

socially though i think they're a bit different!

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dada

#202 May 29, 2009, 07:58:21 am

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Quote from: Coxswain on May 28, 2009, 11:30:54 pm

hey who is this steele guy? Is he of any significance at all?

He's one of those incompetent Republican big shots and currently the chairman of the RNC. He is characterized by his TV performances during which he tends to say incredibly awkward and sometimes downright stupid things. Remember "Drill Baby Drill"? That was coined by him.

EDIT: haha wow I was just peering over his Wikipedia page and found the following nugget by Steele on climate change: "We are cooling. We are not warming. The warming you see out there, the supposed warming, and I use my fingers as quotation marks, is part of the cooling process. Greenland, which is covered in ice, it was once called Greenland for a reason, right?"

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#203 May 29, 2009, 08:09:37 am

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Quote from: Bareback Alabama on May 29, 2009, 06:00:35 am

i (think i) know what they both are, i just thought they were slightly contradictory! i always thought of neoconservatism as direct WE GONNA CONQUER YOU imperialism, ie iraq, while neoliberalism was the more economic imperialism approach

socially though i think they're a bit different!

they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. Neoliberalism is basically the forcing open of markets using things like loans and trade agreements, neoconservatism is more of a general overarching agenda of pursuing global hegemony by just about any means possible, including imposing neoliberal reforms and the use of military force.

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#204 May 29, 2009, 01:23:24 pm

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steele also said he wants to bring hiphop to the Republicans, it was great. also yeah joe hit it, I remember being lost on that point too. neoliberalism is more applied to economic schools.

well depending on who you talk to.

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#205 May 29, 2009, 01:35:01 pm

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Quote from: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on May 29, 2009, 01:23:24 pm

steele also said he wants to bring hiphop to the Republicans, it was great.

How genuine is he? I love it when he does his thing because it looks and sounds so AWKWARD but still very sympathetic somehow.

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#206 June 14, 2009, 06:28:29 pm

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

I wonder if it'll work out.

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#207 June 14, 2009, 08:05:38 pm

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i think steele genuinely wants to reach out to young constituents and honestly doesn't seem nearly as bad as most of the rest of his party

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.

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Pasty

#208 June 14, 2009, 10:20:20 pm

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Quote from: stern_gupples on June 14, 2009, 08:05:38 pm

i think steele genuinely wants to reach out to young constituents and honestly doesn't seem nearly as bad as most of the rest of his party

what he said

his fumbling awkwardness and wandering off-message is kind of endearing, considering he's the (figure) head of the GOP

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#209 June 15, 2009, 02:41:20 am

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Quote from: Juris on June 14, 2009, 06:28:29 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

I wonder if it'll work out.

*endorses Palestinian independence but says it's ok to continue to illegally expand settlements on their land*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8099757.stm

He said they can have their own state if they don't have a military. That's dumb.

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#210 June 15, 2009, 04:17:38 am

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Yeah, without the fundamental right to defend your property you don't really own that land. However, I'd imagine that further negotiation would take place. It's clear that these terms won't be accepted, but its good to see SOME negotiation. Other than missile launches and military raids.

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Farren

#211 June 15, 2009, 04:46:30 am

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He's been saying no arms and we'll keep spreading since forever though. I remember reading that chomsky interview that opened this thread and he recited that they were saying that and they've BEEN saying that and won't change their positions on it because they know its unreasonable.

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Grunthor

#212 June 25, 2009, 01:22:59 am

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Anyone else following the story about South Carolina's governor? For those who don't know, Gov. Sanford disappeared on Friday without telling anyone where he was going. Then yesterday he claimed that he went hiking. The truth is though that he was in Argentina with his mistress. I just found out while watching Olbermann's show on MSNBC while he was reading this email from Sanford to his girlfriend:

Quote from: Sanford email

Two, mutual feelings .... You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty. I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night’s light - but hey, that would be going into sexual details...

Three and finally, while all the things above are all too true - at the same time we are in a hopelessly - or as you put it impossible - or how about combine and simply say hopelessly impossible situation of love. How in the world this lightening strike snuck up on us I am still not quite sure. As I have said to you before I certainly had a special feeling about you from the first time we met, but these feelings were contained and I genuinely enjoyed our special friendship and the comparing of all too many personal notes...

Lastly I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before - so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul.

So much for his bid for president in 2012.

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Farren

#213 June 25, 2009, 01:27:32 am

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haven't heard about that but I don't really see how it matters too much

Been hearing alot about clean coal being complete bullshit though and coal companies blowing off mountain tops in west Virginia and leaving shit in the water and silica in the air that is very dangerous to the outlying communities. Protesters are rising up all around the country to protest clean coal, think some green peace protesters got arrested the other day for boarding a ship carrying it and another group yesterday got arrested in west Virginia for "blocking roadways"

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#214 June 25, 2009, 06:10:55 am

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Quote from: Grunthor on June 25, 2009, 01:22:59 am

Anyone else following the story about South Carolina's governor? For those who don't know, Gov. Sanford disappeared on Friday without telling anyone where he was going. Then yesterday he claimed that he went hiking. The truth is though that he was in Argentina with his mistress. I just found out while watching Olbermann's show on MSNBC while he was reading this email from Sanford to his girlfriend:

Fun fact: when he gave his speech on that subject he was labeled (D) by Fox News.

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#215 June 25, 2009, 12:21:12 pm

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Quote from: Dada on June 25, 2009, 06:10:55 am

Fun fact: when he gave his speech on that subject he was labeled (D) by Fox News.

Yeah, I saw that. They did the same thing when Mark Foley was in trouble a few years ago for hitting on his male interns. Fox looks so damn pathetic (well more pathetic than usual anyway) when they resort to those tactics. I think this leaves only Pawlenty now as the one Republican that hasn't totally blown his chance at the nomination for 2012.

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dada

#216 June 25, 2009, 06:00:43 pm

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What does everybody think about Mike Huckabee's chances? I think he's going to try again. He's the only one of the Republican big-shots who's pacing himself rather than engaging in ridiculous 2012 tactics. He's charismatic, he's been around the block once, and he's absolutely insane. Just look at his debate with Jon Stewart: that's, I think, the kind of language you need to use to win over moderates. I think if he tries again he'll get very far.

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Teron

#217 June 25, 2009, 06:16:37 pm

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I don't know the Republican party is in such a weird place right now. I don't know if it's too useful to try and figure out where they are going to be in 2012, not yet anyway. But I would have to think that Huckabee is as good a guess as anyone.

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Farren

#218 June 25, 2009, 06:21:18 pm

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can someone post a link to that debate I can't find it on the youtubes

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#219 June 25, 2009, 06:21:35 pm

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Quote from: Coxswain on June 25, 2009, 01:27:32 am

Been hearing alot about clean coal being complete bullshit though

Man I don't know how the coal industries even got away with that name.

I guess its cuz people don't really know a whole lot about mining, but goddamn they deserve some kind of reward for successfully greenwashing one of the most filthy and environmentally degrading energy sources.

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Farren

#220 June 25, 2009, 06:29:46 pm

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I watched something about there actually being a way to purify it but the purifier or whatever costs a fuckload of money and they haven't even refined the technology it uses yet. There is like only one in the entire US or some bullshit and its not capable of processing all of the coal we're going to start mining.

And yeah the process of mining in itself is very dangerous and dirty as shit but I'm sure if we really wanted to we could find a way to extract it and maybe rebuild the mountains back up without blowing everything to hell.

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