we've got, in basic historical order:

NEW ORLEANS

the original jazz. they used tubas in the bass section (not ever used again a great amount). almost 100% of the songs are blues.

SWING

swing is the loose jazz equivalent of today's radio hip hop. there are some damn good ones, of course. it just depends on if you like the style.

BE-BOP

jazz began to get on heroin during the late 40's. it began from swing musicians just jamming all night. the most notable player was Charlie Parker. it's fast tempo, and the improv is all over the place.

COOL JAZZ

it's laid back, chamber jazz. a reaction to be-bop.

MODAL

most songs were using only 2 or 3 chords. this is commonly where you will see jazz stereotypes.

AVANT GARDE (FREE JAZZ)

there were no pre-written chords. have fun.

FUSION

just like it says. it uses rock, jazz, funk, latin, etc. the first pioneers weren't exactly accepted mainstream, but whatever.

ACID JAZZ

dj's cuttin up jazz samples and throwing in some things. honestly, they don't always use jazz samples. as far as improv, well i suppose the arrangement is always different and there's scratching or cutting involved. a good place to start is dj shadow.

so i'm looking for some great funk groups.

i already know about

parliament/funkadellic
bootsy collins
rhcp
sly
james brown
meters
awb
war
curtis mayfield
tower of power
earth wind & fire


any suggestions?

no country for old men

alot of people hated the ending but fuck em.

that must be a cry of joy for whatever hes doin. if i had his..."frame", i wouldn't be upset.

ramadan shopping at walmart?

HELLZ YEA!!!

did that opera bitch say something about philosophy? i couldn't make it out. hopefully the first serious opera rapper will rap more distinguishably.

nin drummer selling shroom time, eh?
hey, you've gotta make money somehow.

sorry bud but im gonna go ahead and guess that most of the "rock" you think of when reminiscing about those GOOD OL ROCKNROLLIN DAYS wasn't that great anyway!

oasisfan?
not sure where you got the idea that i'm some rock-worshiping geezer,

if you're talkin about old 70's shit or that i'm some kinda neo-hippy who wants to bring back the dead, then uhh.....

and headphonics, i see what you mean about some guys doing new things doing new stuff outside of the spotlight. i guess i'm mostly talking about rock falling out of the mainstream's favor.

The Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, told Brazil's TV Globo that the law of God was above any human law.

ok, so if that's true, why do these people need the church?

go ahead Brazil, marinate on that for a minute 

hard rock? like more "traditional"? don't have one of those

but for whatever rock, it would be faith no more

whats ur favorite hard rock band

lol

rock and roll is dead because it sucks. brb im gonna plug in a guitar and be famous ! that rock cliche you talked about with hannah montana? its the same shit you think is the 'real deal' oasisfan

oasisfan?

well, the gallagher bros. were pretty funny.

i don't have standards or think of a 'real deal' with rock, btw.

oh, and i never said anybody in rock is any more 'real deal' than montanna. i'm using her as an example of the type of cliche rock is now. i don't worship any "real deal"s out there.

all i wanted was to see what you people thought, not some a bash-fest. not sure where you got the idea that i'm some rock-worshiping geezer, im9today

get over it.

i never said i had a problem with it.

not trying to prove anything. i'm just pointing some things out. just some stuff that comes to mind now and then.

so everyone's gonna argue it to the end of everything unholy, but do many people see the decline in mainstream rock? even underground rock?

i know rock has always seemed to come in waves in America, which inevitably means there are dry periods such as the stagnant period between rockabilly's downfall and psychadelic's rise or the slow death of hair metal into the rise of grunge, but i seriously am starting to see some signs.

1) MEDIA OVERKILL

not to say that they're not doing it to hip-hop or any other popular genre, but due to mtv, myspace, and every other place on the internet, you can pretty much know what Chris Cornell had for breakfast.

2) GUITAR HERO/ROCK BAND

enough said

3) ROCK AS A NOVELTY

#2 partially goes with this one. most of us here have been raised by people who grew up with rock or at least lived in a rock-influenced culture. marketers and industries have finally become successful in selling rebellion. you see somebody like hannah montanna going for the rock cliche which is so generalized today that anyone with an electric guitar can look the part.

4) MUSICIANS

ok, there have always been those artists that have borrowed an older style. but there have been more and more bands that don't just take a page, but a whole chapter from hair metal, jangle pop, or glam rock these days. 80's have especially made a comeback. with bands like wolfmother, white stripes, the hives, hinder, buckcherry, franz ferdinand, the minus 5, the strokes, etc. there's no need to make anything new if people are eating it. this contributes to rock becoming a novelty (#3)



ok, so commercially, when most people think of jazz, what do they hear in their minds? usually so cool west coast, or swing blues standard, which was, basically, the most commercially successful form of jazz. it captured the idea of what most people thought jazz was the best and therefore whenever it's portrayed in modern pop culture, you're more likely to hear benny goodman (chips ahoy!) then charles mingus (what a shame, too).

i'm starting to see rock go the same way.

do i think it's a shame? hell no cuz i don't listen to the radio, but...

anyway, my whole point is BOW DOWN TO YUNG JEEZY N00BZ LOLOLOLOLORZ!!!!!!

but seriously? what do you guys think? is something like this hard to believe?

so has anybody heard of kgb?

http://www.kgb.com/kgb/about.html

anybody seen a commercial for these guys? you can text them and they'll answer any (ha) question you have about anything.

i just want to know how these people stay afloat. wheres the money coming from.

then again, i don't know much about this stuff, but either way the concept just seems ridiculous in the day we live in.

what do y'all think?

well no i get the analogy is trying to be but it just seems like he's saying "Korn rules and hed PE sucks" when really the analogy doesn't work if you think about it. The Monkees is to the Beatles as Silly is to Artistic or whatever but korn and hed pe seem exactly the same to me as they both seem to be trying to take themselves kinda seriously.

actually, i was just making a quick statement that i didn't expect to be analyzed so damn much

what i really meant was that both latter bands were using similar musical formulas that their counterparts had already gained success through only to reach lesser recognition and credibility. that's all.

try madlib/quasimoto/madvillain. they're all his projects and he uses a sloppy style.

even if it doesn't help, listen to this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPVAyoJc91k. drums are pretty sick here.

also, try "enter the wu-tang", their first album. the beats are simple, but they were a blueprint for alot of hip hoppers.

alright, for those of you who listen to underground hip hop or whatever they're puttin out these days:

which label do you prefer?

here's a quick rundown:

Def Jux:

-aesop rock
-(formerly) rjd2
-cage
-mr. lif
-del tha funkee homosapien
-el-p
-hangar 18
-rob sonic
-the perceptionists

Stones Throw:

-oh no
-madlib
-(formerly) j dilla
-madvillain
-lootpack
-quasimoto
-james pants


some of these guys might have left by now, i'm not sure. anyway. VOTE

reminds me of shrooms.

ahaha someone come quick guy just compared korn to the beatles.

when did i say that?