are you guys serious? the japanese do some weird stuff with westerns. trigun and cowboy bebop are the only things i can think of (because i watched them) but i'm pretty sure there's a lot of even LIVE ACTION stuff that's heavily western influenced

I didn't mean it quite that way. That's still like REDRESSING the stereotypical format of a western, what I'm saying is I want to see this really dry documentary sort of film set in the old west with no shootouts or train robberies or whatever. Or if it is done it like completely subverts whatever camera stuff/acting/musical motifs people want to see in a scene like that. Like they walk however many paces they want and both characters have great terror and uncertainty in their eyes instead of badass GRITTINESS then suddenly this plays   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6S9mcik9S0&feature=player_embedded  also it does like extreme closeup of eyes but suddenly it is a basset hound or something and maybe  they don't even walk any paces they run in circles  sorry your universe is not as ordered as your crappy cowboy movies

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Idk if this is exactly the same sort of reasoning but this made me think of the Lady Oscar movie where the only thing the movie did that was actually brilliant and not just mediocre or terrible was that it was a movie that featured Marie Antoinette but she was entirely insignificant.  Like she was more a necessary piece of furniture and every now and then they'd pop in and be like "oh btw marie antoinette was here and this is what is going on in her life" but ultimately you really could have cut her out entirely.  She is not usually a background character in movies, she's either the entire focus or she's not really there at all but this movie just treated her as this completely unimportant sidenote and I found this fantastic.  I got a poster from this movie recently of a shot during a dance at Versailles and even in this poster she is just standing in the background looking uneasy and this is more or less her entire role in the film.  This would be like a western where there are cowboys and shootouts, but you don't really notice them you just like...see them through the window of a shop as two characters have some other conversation.

Yeah I was sort of veering off into something else but I think I get what you are saying about westerns.  The soap opera analogy is perfect, it's got to fit the soap opera or western archetype or else it cannot possibly exist.  How come nobody ever like...even as a comedy thing makes a bizarre soap opera?  Actually wasn't there some soap opera a few years ago that had witches or something in it all of a sudden?  Maybe I am just making this up and I just WANT this to exist idk.

Passions follows the various romantic and paranormal adventures of the residents of Harmony, a fictional New England hamlet. Storylines center around the interactions among members of its multi-racial core families — the African American Russells, Caucasian Cranes and Bennetts, and half-Mexican half-Irish Lopez-Fitzgeralds — as well as the supernatural including town witch Tabitha Lenox.

Westerns are really the weirdest shit ever they're like the same plot every single time and has anybody made some experimental movie like not COWBOYS IN THE FUTURE but like, somebody should make a Western that is in the correct time period and everything and it really is about THE OLD WEST etc. but it's filmed in such a non-stereotypical way that it doesn't give any of the warm comfortable fuzzy Western feelings it feels like weird cold unsaturated german art movie shit. Or just do a movie that's nothing but Chinese people working on railroads. Not SHANGHAI NOON where it becomes a cowboy movie


I think cowboy movies are like the FOREST THEME WIZARDS AND WARRIORS that Velfarre was talking about but is socially acceptable for normal non-geeky people to obsess over seriously this is all you need to sum up all Westerns ever made in movie history  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6BQKFs3-VM   the rpg forest theme of cowboy movies. But seriously I'm saying like nervous that I'm not even playing RPGs to play rpg's anymore it's just really a medium for accessing RPG forest themes that are something affirmative to my weak psyche

I wish people would stop talking in unbroken text paragraphs!