feeling better tho I only have 4 prescription acid-reducers left and I'm still not entirely without symptoms. probably gonna have to start hunting for a real doctor againwe shall see. though I am talking more about the human side
und sie sehen meinen lumpen und dies lumpige hotel! yeah, it's places like this where all the theory and reasoning gets pretty hideous and inhuman. not to mention these guys were working with an extremely dated understanding of human behavior and human life. thinking of humans solely in terms of their relationship to capital and whether or not they'll aid one's revolution is pretty gross to begin with anyway, but....the noble savage. how to explain?? mocking some sort of understood/implied purity and superiority of the 'working class'. it's everywhere, really. from your criticism of me "hating working class people" to the countless things marx and engels wrote about people and their classes to the horrible ways this shit was implemented in places like Russia. the lumpenproletariat, literally SHITTY LOW-CLASS PEOPLE (separate from the valuable low-class proto-revolutionaries). there are no good guys and bad guys? on which theoretical level I have yet to see???
as a reaction to communism, rand's objectivism is actually pretty similar to it despite trying to be its opposite. I was specifically speaking about the attention to work, labor, and productivity, as part of my qeuestion as to why WORK is so emphasized. I really can't see it as anything other than an attempt to elevate the faultless, productive "working people" from other low-class citizens and unfortunate people (who were no doubt taboo, undesirable and unmarketable even in this sort of primitive economy-based discussion of bettering human existence) and from the criminal bourgeoisie
You're reading it wrong. "lumpenproletariat" is not a derogatory term, it's a category describing people in the same position as the proletariat in terms of relationship to the means of production but are not properly fulfilling their 'role' in the productive labor process so they're not experiencing capitalist exploitation(another term with specific meaning in this context). I think you're looking at things in terms of personalization and character judgments whereas marxism is looking at the terms in which individuals in society relate to each other. Work is emphasized because it's where value is created, it's where exploitation occurs, it occupies most of our day/lives, it's required for producing the necessities of life etc. It's certainly not glorified either, a consistent demand throughout the workers movement(russia/china disasters excluded) has been to shorten the working day so I still don't really see where you're coming from with the Rand comparison in terms of method or conclusions.
also criminality is completely beside the point. the whole reason why marx's critique of capital is so powerful is because he assumes equal exchange, legality, and critiques it on its own terms assuming functioning markets. Like I said, there's no goodguys and badguys here, it's a 'structural' analysis and critique and the categories are not character judgments. I'd really suggest reading more marx, he's a great writer.
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