has anyone here read machiaveli? I keep seeing quotes and a guy I work with thats ex marine core was telling me to read the art of war. I really don't want to though unless theres anything to it, machiaveli seems like a crock of shit. Like an angry dude that thought varying degrees of violence were an only alternative to conflict. The key is to use the least amount of violence, still killing massive amounts of people but not as massive as you could or could be necessary.
Yeah, Machiavelli is pretty interesting. I wouldn't describe it as a 'crock of shit' though hehe, not all 'The Prince' is about physical conflict by any means. It's about being a successful leader, from becoming to ending, and the concepts of different types of state. It isn't really a guide to fucking with your enemies in any concrete sense, unless you can use the examples as metaphors that apply to you and the guy you don't like at the water cooler.
Don't just read 'The Prince' though - like even my dad has read that, and he hates books that aren't about maths or templar knights, so there's a good chance most of the dudes you don't like have read it too. Try Machiavelli's Discourses in addition to this if you want some subversive Renaissance thinking.
I mean anything by the dude is mostly useful in contrast to dominant theories of Western/Northern Kingship during the period - the ideas of divine mandate and rightful rulers. Renaissance Italian thinking on the topic shows leadership as something that can be won and taken, and the "rightful" leader being the one who is able to lead. Fuck, if this topic interests anyone then pretty much all of Shakespeare's History plays, Richard II - Henry VI (inclusive to king's reign chronology, not when they were written) at any rate, are about this topic. WHO IS THE RIGHTFUL LEADER AND HOW IS THEY MAINTAIN IT!?