Super Smash Bros. Brawl [11/05/2007: Fox's Misfortune/Fire Emblem Theme]

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number1337

#721 September 16, 2007, 11:11:42 pm

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I also think that Sonic and Mega Man should be in Brawl.

I mean, if Snake's a KONAMI character, it wouldn't be fair to not let other third-party characters join the fray.

And if by some miracle they do include Mega Man, it better be the classic version of him (and not that Battle Network bullshit).

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#722 September 16, 2007, 11:16:23 pm

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Quote from: RyanThunder on September 16, 2007, 11:11:42 pm

I mean, if Snake's a KONAMI character, it wouldn't be fair to not let other third-party characters join the fray.

Obviously you don't understand how these things work. It's not about "letting them in" it's more about "ok how much do we have to pay to gain the rights for this character in Smash." It's not like companies are lining up outside of Nintendo going "OH PLEEEEEASE LET OUR CHARACTER APPEAR IN SMASH BROS!"

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#723 September 16, 2007, 11:48:11 pm

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Quote from: NinjaPirate on September 16, 2007, 11:16:23 pm

It's not like companies are lining up outside of Nintendo going "OH PLEEEEEASE LET OUR CHARACTER APPEAR IN SMASH BROS!"

That's sort of funny, because that's actually how Snake got into the game.

Quote from: Joystiq

Kojima begged Sakurai to include Snake in the GameCube version of Smash Bros., but it was too late in the development cycle to add the character. When Brawl became a reality, Sakurai contacted Kojima and the decision was made to introduce Snake into the series. Solid Snake will use explosives ... and a cardboard box.

Snake is the only third party character confirmed for Brawl. Sakurai has confirmed that other third party characters are a definite possiblility. There was talk of Sonic...

Snake

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#724 September 17, 2007, 12:34:09 am

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Quote from: Grunthor on September 16, 2007, 11:48:11 pm

That's sort of funny, because that's actually how Snake got into the game.

Yea I know but I think that is an exception to the rule. Also Kojima is just a weird guy in the first place.

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#725 September 17, 2007, 12:42:53 am

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look no matter what ninjapirate is right ok

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#726 September 17, 2007, 12:44:16 am

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I think the point is that BEING in Brawl is a huge boost for any character, because of its popularity. Sonic's new Wii game would get 10x more sales if he's in Brawl. I doubt Nintendo's paying much if any to include Snake.

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#727 September 17, 2007, 12:50:26 am

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Quote from: TANG'D!!!!! on September 17, 2007, 12:42:53 am

look no matter what ninjapirate is right ok

Uhh dude that is basic copywrite law stuff right there. In the case of Kojima he probably viewed it as free advertising, and some other people probably do as well, but you can't just like take someone else's character and put them in your game.

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#728 September 17, 2007, 01:25:10 am

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No shit but that wasn't the point Jester was making at all dude.

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#729 September 17, 2007, 01:35:35 am

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NinjaPirate for admin 2007

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#730 September 17, 2007, 02:07:04 am

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Quote from: The Shadowy Guy on September 16, 2007, 04:02:08 pm

i'm just hoping they slow this game down a tad. a speed akin to the original would be much more desirable.

I heard that Sakurai was planning on slowing down the pace of combat a bit. They didn't want it as slow as SSB64 but not as fast as SSBM either. I believe it too, because if you look at the gameplay videos, it does appear somewhat slower than Melee.

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#731 September 17, 2007, 02:55:57 am

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Man, that reminds me, the first time I played Melee I did a four player with my siblings and it was NUTS. We couldn't tell what the hell was going on, and most of us picked the quicker characters (sheik, fox, etc).

But yeah w/e as long as we still have wavedashing.

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#732 September 17, 2007, 03:37:07 am

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Quote from: Rushing Zephyr on September 17, 2007, 02:55:57 am

But yeah w/e as long as we still have wavedashing.

My thoughts exactly.

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#733 September 17, 2007, 03:38:08 am

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Tonight's update: new item.

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#734 September 17, 2007, 04:29:28 am

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More time-wasting speculation on Sonic...

I kind of feel like Mario and Sonic at the Olympics actually hurt Sonic's chances in Brawl. The reason is that if Sonic was in Brawl, especially if Brawl comes out first (I'm not sure if it does - can't find release date for Olympics game) then the novelty of having Mario and Sonic in this Olympics game would severely diminish and lead to lower sales. Smash Bros Brawl is going to sell well if Sonic is in it or not, but without Mario and Sonic in this Olympics game, would you care about it at all? So maybe this is a good reason to keep Sonic out of Brawl. Or just a reason to not to greatly advertise it at this point.

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#735 September 17, 2007, 04:41:20 am

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Quote from: Dapper Swindler on September 17, 2007, 04:29:28 am

More time-wasting speculation on Sonic...

I kind of feel like Mario and Sonic at the Olympics actually hurt Sonic's chances in Brawl. The reason is that if Sonic was in Brawl, especially if Brawl comes out first (I'm not sure if it does - can't find release date for Olympics game) then the novelty of having Mario and Sonic in this Olympics game would severely diminish and lead to lower sales. Smash Bros Brawl is going to sell well if Sonic is in it or not, but without Mario and Sonic in this Olympics game, would you care about it at all? So maybe this is a good reason to keep Sonic out of Brawl. Or just a reason to not to greatly advertise it at this point.

I think the exact opposite is true. They added Roy to Melee hoping to increase awareness and sales of the FE game he was in (not sure of the name). If the addition of Roy actually boosted the sales of the FE title and if they wanted to help their sales with Mario and Sonic at the Olympics, I bet they'd do the exact same thing and add him to Brawl. Now the cost of adding Sonic vs. the boost in sales is something they'd have to take into consideration, but I'm sure they've already looked into that if they were actually considering adding him.

Either way, I do believe they'll add him. Megaman is an unlikely addition in my opinion, but Sonic is very probable. I mean, they were considering adding him in Melee too, and with all the attention he's been getting from the Smash fanatics and because of his high placement in the character polls, he's a very likely candidate.

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#736 September 17, 2007, 05:28:31 am

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Quote from: Sarhan on September 17, 2007, 04:41:20 am

Either way, I do believe they'll add him. Megaman is an unlikely addition in my opinion, but Sonic is very probable.

Supporting your analysis on Sonic, it would definitely be a good idea to put Mega Man in Brawl as well. His sales have been considerably low. I mean, when is the last time we've seen Mega Man on a console game? That was MMX8, and that was way back in 2003/2004. If I had to guess, I think his audience is getting a little smaller (with exception of his hardcore followers, like myself) and is finding a niche in the younger crowd with the Battle Network and Star Force franchises.

Actually, this article explains it all: http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3159950

I think putting Mega Man in Brawl would give Capcom some decent cash they can loan to Keiji Inafune (Mega Man's creator) so that he could make a Mega Man Legends 3, since he basically said in the article that he needs "someone to throw money at him" for a next-gen Mega Man to happen. He ALSO said that it doesn't necessarily have to be someone from Capcom that gives him that money.

So yeah.

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#737 September 17, 2007, 06:29:21 am

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Quote from: NinjaPirate on September 17, 2007, 12:50:26 am

Uhh dude that is basic copywrite law stuff right there. In the case of Kojima he probably viewed it as free advertising, and some other people probably do as well, but you can't just like take someone else's character and put them in your game.

I don't think this argument works well against Sonic, since Sega and Nintendo have already shown willingness to share characters for games, in the form of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. I'm not saying it's definite or anything, but there's no reason they couldn't have hammered out the two deals at the same time and for about the same price.

Plus, as has been pointed out, Sonic games have sucked lately, and could Sega could probably use the ego-boost of Sonic appearing in a good game. They're letting Bioware give it a go, after all.

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