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#41 January 02, 2008, 05:33:38 am

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Quote from: tomohawkjoe on January 02, 2008, 05:28:40 am

So is a character with 50 HP doing 1 damage, but I think most players nowadays don't like seeing low numbers.

this is very true.

in ffx there was an incredibly satisfying feeling about taking out like 20,000 hp in a hit.

probably why nippon ichi games sell so well

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#42 January 02, 2008, 05:41:30 am

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Quote from: Perpetual Moogle on January 02, 2008, 05:30:31 am

How is 9999 high enough when most attacks have the capability to break that point near the middle of the game? Especially when FFX worked perfectly without the damage cap?

Because you really don't need to see 1347285024 damage on the fucking screen, let alone do that much damage. Hell, most monster will be slaughtered mid game if you can do 9999 damage. Hell, even near the end of the game 9999 is still ridiculously high. If there was no limit, you would get this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RSLdB54R44

And if you really want to do over 9999 damage on FFXII, there are several methods to do this

A.) Dark Matter + Knots of Rust Farming (Doing enough of it can get Shemhazai to do 60,000 damage with her limit break or whatever the fuck its called.
B.) Zodiark = 50,000 damage.
C.) Balance + Bubble + 1 HP

you will fail

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#43 January 02, 2008, 05:50:14 am

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Quote from: tomohawkjoe on January 02, 2008, 05:41:30 am

Because you really don't need to see 1347285024 damage on the fucking screen, let alone do that much damage. Hell, most monster will be slaughtered mid game if you can do 9999 damage. Hell, even near the end of the game 9999 is still ridiculously high. If there was no limit, you would get this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RSLdB54R44

And if you really want to do over 9999 damage on FFXII, there are several methods to do this

A.) Dark Matter + Knots of Rust Farming (Doing enough of it can get Shemhazai to do 60,000 damage with her limit break or whatever the fuck its called.
B.) Zodiark = 50,000 damage.
C.) Balance + Bubble + 1 HP

Yeah, you're right, there isn't any need to do that much damage in FF12, but only because the game was so easy. One thing I loved about FFX were bosses that you had no hope of beating unless you could break the damage limit, and were so strong they broke the damage limit themselves when they hit you (doing almost 45,000 damage) and had HP in the few millions. I loved that, and I have no idea why they regressed to the "No damage limit, everything's easy and enemies (except for Yiazmat, I guess) are pussies".

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#44 January 02, 2008, 06:06:28 am

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Quote from: Perpetual Moogle on January 02, 2008, 05:50:14 am

Yeah, you're right, there isn't any need to do that much damage in FF12, but only because the game was so easy. One thing I loved about FFX were bosses that you had no hope of beating unless you could break the damage limit, and were so strong they broke the damage limit themselves when they hit you (doing almost 45,000 damage) and had HP in the few millions. I loved that, and I have no idea why they regressed to the "No damage limit, everything's easy and enemies (except for Yiazmat, I guess) are pussies".

There are several challenges to take up this problem (122333, Streaker Challenge, No Gambit, etc), I will admit that FFXII did have some of the easiest bosses I've ever fought. Granted the only enemy thats ever made me worry were the Abyssteels in Henne Mines (sp?), and not to mention, this game had so many ways of overpowering your character (chaining Dustia anyone?) that you could shit on most bosses without even lifting a finger. Which is why I guess they decided to include some semi-tough hunts. Hell, even Yiazmat can be beaten with relative ease. Also, pretty much every boss in FFX could be beaten without breaking the damage limit. Its been proven via no sphere grid challenge. Actually, you could pretty much beat any FF game with relative ease.

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#45 January 02, 2008, 06:08:14 am

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Actually, you could pretty much beat any FF game with relative ease.

Except for FFIV who's battle system was so stupidly broken that the only way TO WIN was to grind.

Odin couldn't even kill the standard moon enemies. What a fucking waste.

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#46 January 02, 2008, 06:15:59 am

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Quote from: tomohawkjoe on January 02, 2008, 06:06:28 am

There are several challenges to take up this problem (122333, Streaker Challenge, No Gambit, etc), I will admit that FFXII did have some of the easiest bosses I've ever fought. Granted the only enemy thats ever made me worry were the Abyssteels in Henne Mines (sp?), and not to mention, this game had so many ways of overpowering your character (chaining Dustia anyone?) that you could shit on most bosses without even lifting a finger. Which is why I guess they decided to include some semi-tough hunts. Hell, even Yiazmat can be beaten with relative ease. Also, pretty much every boss in FFX could be beaten without breaking the damage limit. Its been proven via no sphere grid challenge. Actually, you could pretty much beat any FF game with relative ease.

I see what you're saying, but I hate it when people tell me "Well, there are plenty of challenges to solve the difficulty problem". Why should I have to intentionally cripple myself to make the game challenging? I hate having to resort to that; I want games that provide a healthy challenge from the get go.

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#47 January 02, 2008, 06:21:33 am

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Quote from: Perpetual Moogle on January 02, 2008, 05:50:14 am

Yeah, you're right, there isn't any need to do that much damage in FF12, but only because the game was so easy. One thing I loved about FFX were bosses that you had no hope of beating unless you could break the damage limit, and were so strong they broke the damage limit themselves when they hit you (doing almost 45,000 damage) and had HP in the few millions. I loved that, and I have no idea why they regressed to the "No damage limit, everything's easy and enemies (except for Yiazmat, I guess) are pussies".

omega mk 12 was pretty fucking badass. he didn't have a lot of hp but his SUPER HASTE or whatever that cause him to constantly be attacking was pretty bad. I died against him several times before finally getting it.

which didn't help because the great crystal is quite possibly the WORST FUCKING DUNGEON EVER and when you lose... well.

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#48 January 02, 2008, 06:22:11 am

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Quote from: Perpetual Moogle on January 02, 2008, 06:15:59 am

I see what you're saying, but I hate it when people tell me "Well, there are plenty of challenges to solve the difficulty problem". Why should I have to intentionally cripple myself to make the game challenging? I hate having to resort to that; I want games that provide a healthy challenge from the get go.

Fucking right.

I hate the NSGBGVGWHATEVERTHEFUCKLETTERRRSSSSCCCCCCHALLENGE shit they do at like GameFAQs and crap.

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#49 January 02, 2008, 06:26:50 am

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Quote from: angry black man on January 02, 2008, 06:08:14 am

Except for FFIV who's battle system was so stupidly broken that the only way TO WIN was to grind.

Odin couldn't even kill the standard moon enemies. What a fucking waste.

I remember playing it on the SNES and found myself going "Oh FUCK ME" near the end of the game when I found out every time I ran, It added EXP to the amount I need to level up, making leveling up hard, but thats because I was stupid and ran away from most battles because I really didn't feel like fighting. The I played it again with minimal running and found myself needing much less EXP to level up.
I.E. First time I played it I need like a million EXP to get to Lv 40.
Second time I only needed like 60,000.
Don't know if it was a glitch or anything but it really fucking sucked.

Quote from: Myke on January 02, 2008, 06:21:33 am

omega mk 12 was pretty fucking badass. he didn't have a lot of hp but his SUPER HASTE or whatever that cause him to constantly be attacking was pretty bad. I died against him several times before finally getting it.

which didn't help because the great crystal is quite possibly the WORST FUCKING DUNGEON EVER and when you lose... well.

God I hated that Dungeon SOOO MUCH! Not to mention they crippled Omega Mk 12 in the US version, and hes still fucking hard as hell.

you will fail

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#50 January 02, 2008, 06:33:44 am

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Quote from: Myke on January 02, 2008, 06:21:33 am

omega mk 12 was pretty fucking badass. he didn't have a lot of hp but his SUPER HASTE or whatever that cause him to constantly be attacking was pretty bad. I died against him several times before finally getting it.

which didn't help because the great crystal is quite possibly the WORST FUCKING DUNGEON EVER and when you lose... well.

Oh yeah, forgot about Omega MK XII. Fuck that motherfucker and the Great Crystal. Fuck 'em both in the ass.

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#51 January 03, 2008, 01:54:30 am

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I'm not really going to bother reading much of this, but have one thing to say. FFXII was the worst, it wasn't event Final Fantasy... It was Final Politics. Uncool... Real uncool...

When will they stop going futuristic and go back to the Fantasy... Come on...

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#52 January 03, 2008, 02:12:52 am

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im pretty sure that ff12 wasnt very futuristic at all but okay!

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#53 January 03, 2008, 02:15:23 am

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Quote from: XxSylverxX on January 03, 2008, 02:12:52 am

im pretty sure that ff12 wasnt very futuristic at all but okay!

Really, you didn't find floating giant cities futuristic.

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#54 January 03, 2008, 02:19:16 am

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no i found that magical fantasy fairytale especially when it was powered by magic.

ps: i jsut noticed you have a quiz in your sig from both ff7 and 8 which are both infinitely more futuristic then ff12

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#55 January 03, 2008, 02:20:08 am

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Quote from: Lainge on January 03, 2008, 01:54:30 am

I'm not really going to bother reading much of this, but have one thing to say. FFXII was the worst, it wasn't event Final Fantasy... It was Final Politics. Uncool... Real uncool...

When will they stop going futuristic and go back to the Fantasy... Come on...

Just because it's different from the other FF games doesn't mean it sucks. Granted the story was presented kind of slow, it was still entertaining (to me at least). Final Fantasy Tactics was much more focused on politics than XII and it's one of the best FF games made.

Quote from: Lainge on January 03, 2008, 02:15:23 am

Really, you didn't find floating giant cities futuristic.

Dude...other FF games have had flying shit before. That doesn't mean they're futuristic. What about airships? Every FF game has those and they're futuristic. FF VII and VIII had cars. Those are futuristic. FFX was more futuristic than XII was.

The setting doesn't affect how good a game is.

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#56 January 03, 2008, 02:26:33 am

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This game looked good since it was released and now that's down to under £10 on January sales I might pick it up but how does this compare to FFXII: RW on the DS? I played nearly half way through that and I was just wondering if the story plot is the same.

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#57 January 03, 2008, 02:30:03 am

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Quote from: Sarhan on January 03, 2008, 02:20:08 am

The setting doesn't affect how good a game is.

Actually it kinda does, it's one of the reasons I liked games such as prince of persia but never loved them. It was a crap setting.

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Just because it's different from the other FF games doesn't mean it sucks. Granted the story was presented kind of slow, it was still entertaining (to me at least). Final Fantasy Tactics was much more focused on politics than XII and it's one of the best FF games made.

Well it definitely wasn't the worst. FF4 has that award hands down.

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Dude...other FF games have had flying shit before. That doesn't mean they're futuristic. What about airships? Every FF game has those and they're futuristic. FF VII and VIII had cars. Those are futuristic. FFX was more futuristic than XII was.

I never said they didn't but they just really need to tone it down if anything. At least in 10 they kinda destroyed a lot of the machines.

The one thing I did like about FFXII was the fact that it's strongest weapon was a spear. And it's total customising of the characters. But aside from those things it was mostly flawed.

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#58 January 03, 2008, 03:42:31 am

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Quote from: Lainge on January 03, 2008, 02:15:23 am

Really, you didn't find floating giant cities futuristic.

Sweet'ums, Final Fantasy 1 had the Giant Floating Cities. Like, Giant Technological Floating Cities. And an airship, powered by a magical stone. This is, if I'm remembering things correctly, the same thing that powers the airships and whatnot in Final Fantasy XII.

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#59 January 03, 2008, 03:01:26 pm

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Actually it kinda does, it's one of the reasons I liked games such as prince of persia but never loved them. It was a crap setting.

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The setting was perfect for the story. It was definitely a breath of fresh air to me.

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Well it definitely wasn't the worst. FF4 has that award hands down.

That is debatable

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I never said they didn't but they just really need to tone it down if anything. At least in 10 they kinda destroyed a lot of the machines.

Destroyed alot of the- What the fuck does that have to do with anything. FFX was definitely more futuristic than most FF games combined. The main Character jumper 1000 years into the future.

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The one thing I did like about FFXII was the fact that it's strongest weapon was a spear. And it's total customising of the characters. But aside from those things it was mostly flawed.

Actually, its a bow now. Apparently the International Version has change alot of things from the regular version.

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#60 January 03, 2008, 08:26:16 pm

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heh fuckin schooled that fool tomohawkjoe

oh and hey "lainge" (whatever) if you like medievil shit so much do you think ff9 is the bes ff of all time? cos if you do, then you opinion is void. that game was so gay is fucked it's uncle man. apart from trance kuja, but he was an exception he prolly belonged in ff7 i guess but then sephiroth just would've went "heh fuck u bitch" and struck him down like he struck down that cheap slut aeris who gave it away for free.

back to my point - don't like politics huh "lamge"? well guess what you probably live in a country with politics so that means your a fucken communiss.

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