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Aten

#81 January 06, 2008, 02:08:57 am

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Wow, I rather liked FFX-2. I have to play it again sometime soon.

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#82 January 06, 2008, 02:41:49 am

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I never played through FFX-2, but I watched the ending, so this is what I know based on the ending
The fayth inexplicably return and decide to make Tidus a real boy

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#83 January 06, 2008, 02:43:43 am

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Quote from: Aten on January 06, 2008, 02:08:57 am

Wow, I rather liked FFX-2. I have to play it again sometime soon.

It was terrible, the music was so bad... The only good part was the Garmet Grid, there was probably some other good parts but they totally killed blitzball.

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FFTA takes place in a fake Ivalice, one that doesn't exist.

Then what about the references?

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#84 January 06, 2008, 02:58:16 am

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Quote from: JohnnyCasil on January 06, 2008, 02:41:49 am

I never played through FFX-2, but I watched the ending, so this is what I know based on the ending
The fayth inexplicably return and decide to make Tidus a real boy

I'm slowly remembering... something about a Romeo and Juliet-esque romance between two characters that were supposedly Tidus and Yuna's ancestors. There was this cave that was the sight of a huge massacre and all the dead spirits that didn't get sent formed the image of the Tidus clone. Somehow he brought back the Fayth and by destroying him and getting 100% in the game Yuna communicates with them and wishes Tidus back into existence...

...or something. It wasn't a terrible game and I really liked what they did with the battle system but the story was so horribly convoluted and MISSION BASED RPG games aren't my cup of tea. I couldn't stand the all girl team; it was basically attack of the mary sues.

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Then what about the references?

FFTA does take place in Ivalice... except everything after the opening scene takes place in a fairy tale version of it.

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#85 January 06, 2008, 03:12:43 am

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I got to like chapter 3 of the game or something. Then when I beat it I missed like 0.1% for that chapter because the strategy guide was horrible. I have never played it since.

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#86 January 15, 2008, 11:01:25 pm

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To be honest, X-2 just looked like a potential trainwreck. Aside from the graphics, I had little faith in everything else, and since I hated X, I was definitely not going to buy its sequel. Based on X-2's reaction, looks I didn't miss much.

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#87 January 15, 2008, 11:06:41 pm

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Quote from: Yeaster on January 15, 2008, 11:01:25 pm

To be honest, X-2 just looked like a potential trainwreck. Aside from the graphics, I had little faith in everything else, and since I hated X, I was definitely not going to buy its sequel. Based on X-2's reaction, looks I didn't miss much.

I had a completely different opinion years ago, but in hindsight I think that FFX-2 is a brilliant and misunderstood work of art. It really is a parody of a Final Fantasy game, but I don't think that a lot of the people that talk about it on the internet realized that at the time.

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#88 January 15, 2008, 11:07:53 pm

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I liked X-2, the storyline was terrible, but I liked it because I found the battle system incredibly fun, with the fact you can change jobs during battle, that was a neat addition. It was like playing FF5, and that game is one of my top fav FF's. Next to 6. FF6 will always be my fav of all time!

There were plenty of sidequests in FFX-2 to keep you preoccupied from the terrible storyline... though it was stupid how you had to have 100% to get an endin' not many ppl cared about, ha ha!

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#89 January 15, 2008, 11:10:00 pm

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I had a completely different opinion years ago, but in hindsight I think that FFX-2 is a brilliant and misunderstood work of art. It really is a parody of a Final Fantasy game, but I don't think that a lot of the people that talk about it on the internet realized that at the time.

But is it an intentional, parody, though?

If not...well, at least it could be one of those entertainingly bad games. Unlike 12, which isn't really "bad"...but boring as hell.

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#90 January 15, 2008, 11:39:45 pm

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Once again... I liked FFX-2. It was fun and refreshing and quite a bit of change from FFX! The music was...i dunno... rock? metal? well, there was a lot of electric guitar action goin' on and I loved the entire soundtrack! The game was fast/fluid and the battle system rocked, so yeah! Who ever didnt play missed out and I guess they never heard the saying "Don't judge a book by it's cover".

FF12 on the other hand, had BORING music (put me to sleep) and amazingly BORING battles. It's like you did nothing, aside from set the gambits. I dont know WHAT they were thinking when they did that. Even in a MMO, you at least have to do stuff yourself.

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#91 January 16, 2008, 12:43:23 am

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Quote from: Aten on January 15, 2008, 11:39:45 pm

FF12 on the other hand, had BORING music (put me to sleep) and amazingly BORING battles. It's like you did nothing, aside from set the gambits. I dont know WHAT they were thinking when they did that. Even in a MMO, you at least have to do stuff yourself.

Yes, they should leave FF Games with FF styled battles, you walk around swoosh big noise crappy (sometimes cool) effect then a battle.
With Gambits it was too annoying, I left gambit for my teammates but the only gambit the person I was using had on was attack closest enemy. Otherwise they would waste mp on random shit that wasn't needed at the time...

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#92 January 16, 2008, 03:13:27 am

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I had a completely different opinion years ago, but in hindsight I think that FFX-2 is a brilliant and misunderstood work of art. It really is a parody of a Final Fantasy game, but I don't think that a lot of the people that talk about it on the internet realized that at the time.

I would have enjoyed it if I hadn't forced myself to get the perfect ending on a single playthrough for the promise of 10 bux (which I still never got).

That said, I still believe FFVII is the parody. Every time I play it, I can't help but think to myself "Cloud is wearing a purple body suit and is taking a bath with GAY MEN. Why the fuck did I think this was awesome 10 years ago???"

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#93 January 16, 2008, 03:29:50 am

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Quote from: angry black man on January 16, 2008, 03:13:27 am

"Cloud is wearing a purple body suit"

You know, FF7, by that time (1997) was considered be in the future, right? well, I always attributed that to the "this is what the future will be like for sure!" thing that was goin' on back then. I mean, remember this, at least he wasn't wearing A ONE PIECE SILVER ALUMINUM SUIT, that *everyone* in "future" movies wear.

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#94 January 16, 2008, 11:34:57 am

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yeah but notice how quickly square retconned the purple body suits? The standard soldier suit is blue... yet Cloud is the only one that wears purple. Also, in Crisis Core he wears the standard blue one even though in the FF7 flashbacks Cloud still wore purple. The purple he wore was a pretty terrible shade of purple as well... like, MAUVE purple.

anyways you cannot deny that he took a bath with a bunch of boxers. let's also not forget the whole CROSS DRESSING SCENE and doing squats with muscular men to win a wig and...

...fuck, how the fuck did i take that game seriously back then?

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#95 January 16, 2008, 04:27:13 pm

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Quote from: angry black man on January 16, 2008, 11:34:57 am

yeah but notice how quickly square retconned the purple body suits? The standard soldier suit is blue... yet Cloud is the only one that wears purple. Also, in Crisis Core he wears the standard blue one even though in the FF7 flashbacks Cloud still wore purple. The purple he wore was a pretty terrible shade of purple as well... like, MAUVE purple.

anyways you cannot deny that he took a bath with a bunch of boxers. let's also not forget the whole CROSS DRESSING SCENE and doing squats with muscular men to win a wig and...

...fuck, how the fuck did i take that game seriously back then?

The best thing about this post is how there are people that still take this game seriously.

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#96 January 16, 2008, 04:38:29 pm

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Quote from: EvilDemonCreature on January 16, 2008, 04:27:13 pm

The best thing about this post is how there are people that still take this game seriously.

All the more reason to laugh at those fan boys/girls about the game, the game in all was overhyped. Cool in the day, but when you look back, it was bleh. And now the game is now motivating terrorism, cross dressing, killing women, riding motorcycles, and I'm sure there's more.

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#97 January 16, 2008, 05:03:01 pm

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Yeah, FF7 was great back in the day, but it's aged pretty badly. Graphics aside, everything else seems dated, like one really long anime movie. I think it's one of the most important games ever, but certainly not the best. Even games that came out that following year were a lot better.

About FF12...the gambits don't bother me, I mean you can always just turn them off (I have mine on, but I still control my characters most of the time). In my opinion, the battles are the only thing that game has going for it (it's just that some of those bosses are insanely cheap >.<).

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#98 January 16, 2008, 08:52:52 pm

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Quote from: maladroithim on January 15, 2008, 11:06:41 pm

I had a completely different opinion years ago, but in hindsight I think that FFX-2 is a brilliant and misunderstood work of art. It really is a parody of a Final Fantasy game, but I don't think that a lot of the people that talk about it on the internet realized that at the time.

given the other games they develop these days, i very very very much doubt that anyone at square-enix still has enough vision to do something like this, or to even consider it.

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#99 January 16, 2008, 09:26:22 pm

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Quote from: Yeaster on January 15, 2008, 11:10:00 pm

But is it an intentional, parody, though?

If not...well, at least it could be one of those entertainingly bad games. Unlike 12, which isn't really "bad"...but boring as hell.

What does intent matter? It's all about how the audience interprets it. Ray Bradbury thinks that Farenheit 451 wasn't about censorship.

FFX-2 was pretty great. The battles were handled well and I liked the character customization fifty times more than the Sphere Grid. Only real problem I had with it was that the new designs on Rikku made her look too skanky. Yuna's was a little skanky, too, but I think that if Rikku had looked a little classier it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

But then, I'm not one of these people who has a problem going along with silly, campy performances.

I loved FF12, too. The complaints about the gambit system don't make much sense to me because I never felt like I was just sitting and watching--I was always watching the characters and changing their commands when needed (most times when they needed to use magic, for example, other than healing). It was basically the same as Neverwinter Nights or something--why should I have to keep selecting "attack" like in basically ever Final Fantasy that came before 12? Assuming I'm going to attack and letting me choose other options when I need to makes more sense anyway.

As for the story....who cares? Playing a game for the story is like eating chocolate for the health benefits.

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#100 January 16, 2008, 09:37:14 pm

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As for the story....who cares? Playing a game for the story is like eating chocolate for the health benefits.

dotdotdot (sorry even i didn't think you'd go and say something this stupid)

I care about stories in RPG's. And your comparison is horrible. Let me put it in a way so that you will understand. Would you watch anime just for animation (anime > animation, game > gameplay get it) or for story/setting/characters as well?

Yeah, both. It's not a great comparison but there shouldn't even be any need for comparisons. It's completely beyond my understanding how anyone can say something as dumb as you just did. Why it's so difficult to comperehend PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STORIES. Jesus christ, just because it's a game doesn't mean stories don't matter.

Also, I agree about FFX-2 with panda. I find it really hard to believe it is misunderstood work of art or parody.

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