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also doktormartini, I know you won't read this (by which I mean understand it), but you really should.

http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/harmquack.html

Ok I didn't read all of that (yet) but what about all the people that have similar horrible experiences with regular doctors?
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Ok I didn't read all of that (yet) but what about all the people that have similar horrible experiences with regular doctors?

i knew you would say this.

that's probably compensated for by the high percentage of people who are helped by regular doctors as opposed to the zero patients who are helped by quacks, hence them being called quacks.

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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Ok I didn't read all of that (yet) but what about all the people that have similar horrible experiences with regular doctors?
compare them to those who were cured by visiting regular doctors.

or

that's probably compensated for by the high percentage of people who are helped by regular doctors as opposed to the zero patients who are helped by NDs.

doktormartini find me cases of people being cured of cancer by an ND. more than fifteen.
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also i'm pretty sure regular doctors don't tend to say cancer is like a crab and melt people's faces off.

and if they do they lose their license to practice medicine, but whatever!
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Hahahaha holy shit I just realized that's from astrology

Cancer is the sign of the crab

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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you've chosen a wise path for your life, doktormartini.
yes coulombs are "germaine", did you learn that word at talk like a dick school?
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the path of the elders....
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I'm not saying GO TO A NATUROPATH AND GET CURED but it will help!

I guess this really doesn't anything but:
http://www.cancure.org/naturopaths.htm
http://www.naturopathic.org/viewbulletin.php?id=53
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I really can't believe you sometimes man. absolutely no evidence at all naturopathy will cure cancer or even make it better (did you read your stupid links) and you seriously suggested it.

my uncle is gonna contact johns hopkins and the UNC system later this week, and I'll be contacting a few more cancer centers.
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all those links tell me is AVOID THESE

Quote from: that first link
Technically, traditional naturopaths are not legal in any state in the US – except Minnesota, in which they can practice legally as long as they:  1) refrain from medical practices (such as surgery, prescribing pharmaceutical drugs, etc) 2) follow ethical guidelines and, 3) provide disclosure to the consumer about their training, background, and scope of practice.

In practice, most states do not challenge traditional naturopaths legally, unless they interfere with the practice of medicine (e.g. prescribe a pharmaceutical drug or take someone off a pharmaceutical drug), present themselves as a primary care practitioner (e.g., in the place of an MD), misrepresent themselves or their products, or make false claims about their ability to cure illness.

basically you want steel to go to an ILLEGAL DOCTOR
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I really can't believe you sometimes man. absolutely no evidence at all naturopathy will cure cancer or even make it better (did you read your stupid links) and you seriously suggested it.

my uncle is gonna contact johns hopkins and the UNC system later this week, and I'll be contacting a few more cancer centers.
omg taking Spirulina and Chlorella supllements is considered alternative medicine and Spirulina has been proven to inhibit tumor growth and chlorella has been proven to detoxify the body of Dioxin (but it's not real).

Also velfarre:
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Jurisdictions that currently regulate naturopathic medicine include:

    * U.S. jurisdictions with full licensure: Alaska, Arizona, California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, Vermont, New Hampshire, Oregon, U.S. Virgin Islands, Utah, Washington.[11]
    * Utah licensed N.D.s can only prescribe medications listed from the Naturopathic Physician Formulary. [2]
    * U.S. state with registration for naturopathic physicians: Kansas[12]
    * U.S. jurisdictions with two-tier licensure: Puerto Rico[citation needed]
    * U.S. states with legal basis for practice: Rhode Island[citation needed]
    * U.S. states which specifically prohibit the practice of naturopathy: South Carolina, Tennessee
You can legally practice Naturopathic Medicine in these states.
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Then why does the site that YOU CITED say exactly the opposite?
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Guys I don't wanna derail this topic anymore so post your shit about me in that topic in Crap Shack.

I don't know velfarre I really didn't read the site I posted the link without reading it that is my fault.  I don't know how good of a site it is (it looks kinda dumb).
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I keep reading Naturopathy as Narutopathy.
Doktormartini is trying to get you to see an anime doctor.
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but steel wants us to derail this topic and I like how they repeatedly insult your intelligence
DEUCE: MEETING THE URINE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL AND REALIZING IT'S JUST LIKE ME AND MY PREJUDICES  THIS WHOLE TIME WERE COMPLETELY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF PTTTTHTHTHH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE<br />DEUCE: FUCK THIS TASTES LIKE PISS<br />PANTS: WHERE IT SHOULD TASTE LIKE COTTON CANDY OR PICKLES<br />DEUCE: OR AT LEAST LIKE URINE NOT PISS
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yeah steel you had mentioned hopkins as a better place so i had been wondering why you werent getting your chemo done there. are you waiting until your next round of treatment or something?

also PM me your address and i'll send you some shit.
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anyways posting because I have the answer to the question you all want to ask

chemo is taking away my pubes!
i didn't wanna ask this and i didn't wanna know the answer!  :goose:

I keep reading Naturopathy as Narutopathy.
Doktormartini is trying to get you to see an anime doctor.
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i got no suggestions or anything otherwise, but any time you mention that you've had a good day or are feeling better i am relieved.
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so did they look at the cancer cells yet? Are they all dying off or what?

Or do you not find that out until the treatment is finished?
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so did they look at the cancer cells yet? Are they all dying off or what?

Or do you not find that out until the treatment is finished?

well physically my neck is better and I've had no breathing problems since starting chemo. they won't really know how down it is till later in the treatment cycle though, buttttt from just like WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, the tumor is responding to the chemo. we don't know though.

yeah steel you had mentioned hopkins as a better place so i had been wondering why you werent getting your chemo done there. are you waiting until your next round of treatment or something?

well I'm in North Carolina, and Hopkins is a bit north. I'm going to call them and chances are they will say BEC is the best treatment, which is what I'm on, but who knows.

anyways doktormatini please answer the following questions which occured to me last night.

1. Earlier in this topic, valerian root was suggested as a sleep aid. My doctor immediately said not to take it. Which of the following was your understanding of the situation?

A. The doctor doesn't know about alternative medicine and is a bad doctor.
B. Chemotherapy is the act of poisoning the human body. BEC, or the type of treatment for my cancer, is relatively new having been found in the late eighties, early nineties. Thanks to the Lance Armstrong cause celebre, it's one of the more well researched chemotherapies. The C in BEC stands for cisplatin, which includes large levels of platinum. While BEC is better known, effects from unregulated substances the patient hasn't been taking might be risky, considering you are filling them with platinum and other chemicals. As a result, it's better for the patient to take something like Benadryl, researched as being safe with chemo, for a sleeping aid then something that might adversely react with his new blood stream.

2. Do you realize how incredibly stupid A is when you think about B at all?

3. You mentioned doctors that had MDs that did not cure, or harmed, their patients. Are you aware that if we were to increase the number of doctors that were guilty of medical malfeasance up to 50%, they would still have a higher cure rate than all the naturopaths in the world put together? Are you aware we'd have to increase this number to above 90% for all diseases and every doctor ever before examples like Hundley's kelp and other naturopath cures would become statistically significant enough to outweigh the doctors that were bad? Do you realize most naturopathy cures do not, in fact, work, and there's a reason the ones that do are limited to many conditions that tend to alleviate themselves? Like, that this is a fact?

4. In addition, no naturopath has ever cured cancer. Ever. You have found several highly suspect studies of potential tumor reduction from eating algae. You have not, and will not barring a real scientist in the coming months potentially extracting something from an algae, find a single scientific study proving any of these curing cancer. TREG suggested a clinic that at worst, will give me the same odds of curing, 50%. You conversely suggested I seek an alternative course of action proven to have a 0% cure rate and a 100% death rate.

In further addition, numerous naturopaths have killed patients by convincing them to delay actual treatment and their cancers going from benign to malignant as a result. This means the naturopathy side has a negative cure rate when it comes to cancer; every person who chooses naturopathy over a doctor will DIE because naturopathy has never cured cancer. In order to illustrate this, it would be the same as if every oncologist in the world not only never ever could cure cancer, but a large number of which would make their patient worse. Why on earth would you suggest I kill myself?

5. Why not faith healing or Peter Popoff miracle water, both of which have better cure rates than naturopathy?

if you do not answer these questions to my admittedly arbitrary satisfaction, I'm going to report every post you make in this topic next because while I'm not sure it's against the rules, I think we can rule of thumb stretch the fact that you suggested a course of action that will kill me and have refused to back it up since into "attempted murder of a gw member" which is hopefully a warnable offense???

earlier in this topic I ripped into Mog for being insensitive and suggesting I need to be a "better person" after this. compared to his comment, yours is infinitely worse. you don't seem to realize that you seriously suggested I seek a second opinion that would kill me if I took it, and continue to claim it wasn't at best maliciously fucking stupid and at worst straight up evil to do so. so answer the questions above (mostly because I've got a week off chemo and you're a funny motherfucker when you babble incoherently about shit you don't know) or don't post again.
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maliciously fucking stupid

this should seriously be your username or group or member title.
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