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and so Ryan is the first mod to warn someone with cancer.

how will you sleep at night...
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get well soon  :cool:
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hey i gave you a real one when you had cancer

don't... don't take this away from me
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I think I'm kinda late but

wait-shit-wha? *triple take* Steel has cancer?

Fucking. Oblivious.

Get better, goddammit. Who the hell else will make fun of my posts?

Okay no, but seriously, on a humane level -- I hope you get through all this shit. When I turn 21, I will go to the next GW meet (wherever the hell that may be) and I will share my first beer with you, man.
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in other bizarre news my hair has stopped falling out.

it will again when the chemo starts up in a week but it's kind of funny!
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what about nipple hair?
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chest hair seems to be sticking around. I think it's too slow growing to be affected by chemo.

they did shave my right side though to put in the portocath, so it looks kind of weird.

in other news, I'll take pics of me having chemo when it does, but do you guys want a vid of them putting it in? it would be needles which is gross but maybe you guys are curious since most people dont seem to get what it is.

also example on why I don't blog, my right hand is really really tingly right now and I can't type more.
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I'm sure you're good at typing with one hand *wink*

Also yes, video. I used to think chemo was like some sort of ultraviolet treatment or something. It'll be an edumacational experience.
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Just found an interesting article...  Makes me a little upset about my uncle though, who just passed from cancer a few nights ago (and don't go getting your spirit low -- he was a lifetime smoker and basically woke up one day with tumors pretty much everywhere in him and chemo/surgery did not help him because he was just too old to fight it -- leads me to think younger/healthy people are *really* a lot better at fighting it)

http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/06/29/1453241.shtml
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TaeKwonDood tips us to news that a new cancer resistance treatment is going into clinical trials after being quite successful at eradicating cancer in mice. Researchers discovered that certain white blood cells called granulocytes from cancer-immune mice were able to cure cancer in other mice. Now, doctors are putting out the call for healthy granulocyte donors in order to test how well it works on humans. The article quotes lead researcher Zheng Cui saying, "In mice, we've been able to eradicate even highly aggressive forms of malignancy with extremely large tumors. Hopefully, we will see the same results in humans. Our laboratory studies indicate that this cancer-fighting ability is even stronger in healthy humans."

Sounds weird.  Almost like how the smallpox vaccine, etc was developed.

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chemo is taking away my pubes!

it's not as bad as with the hair but yeah when I wash down there, more hairs than usually come up. it's weird because I think my beard is still growing.

Have you been touching your face after you wash your pubes.

That might explain it.
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yeah I read about this in the paper today. it's amazing how much cancer research has advanced.

also yeah I know about the bad stuff. my own dad didn't do followups so by the time they caught it, he had a zero chance of being cured. rather than go through chemo he just took morphine and spent the rest of his days with family. we aren't looking at anything like this (hopefully ever) but I'm sorry to hear about your uncle.

also goddammit my left hand is spasming and my right is tingly, this kind of sucks.

Have you been touching your face after you wash your pubes.

That might explain it.

i shaved the beard.
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That should make it easier to find the pubes on your face then...

Seriously though hang in there bud, I hope for the best for your next round.
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anyways doktormatini please answer the following questions which occured to me last night.

1. Earlier in this topic, valerian root was suggested as a sleep aid. My doctor immediately said not to take it. Which of the following was your understanding of the situation?

A. The doctor doesn't know about alternative medicine and is a bad doctor.  I don't think he is a bad doctor.
I said a lot of regular doctors don't know about herbology because they aren't required to study it or think it is bullshite.  I didn't say your doctor is a bad doctor.

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B. Chemotherapy is the act of poisoning the human body. BEC, or the type of treatment for my cancer, is relatively new having been found in the late eighties, early nineties. Thanks to the Lance Armstrong cause celebre, it's one of the more well researched chemotherapies. The C in BEC stands for cisplatin, which includes large levels of platinum. While BEC is better known, effects from unregulated substances the patient hasn't been taking might be risky, considering you are filling them with platinum and other chemicals. As a result, it's better for the patient to take something like Benadryl, researched as being safe with chemo, for a sleeping aid then something that might adversely react with his new blood stream.
It's true.  A lot of regular medications are researched more than alternative ones.   Herbs and alternative medicines are gaining in popularity, thus the research for them is going up as well.  There is quite a bit of research in China done on herbs (because their whole medical system involves them).  The research is increasing in the US as well.
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4. In addition, no naturopath has ever cured cancer. Ever. You have found several highly suspect studies of potential tumor reduction from eating algae. You have not, and will not barring a real scientist in the coming months potentially extracting something from an algae, find a single scientific study proving any of these curing cancer. TREG suggested a clinic that at worst, will give me the same odds of curing, 50%. You conversely suggested I seek an alternative course of action proven to have a 0% cure rate and a 100% death rate.
I'm not saying EAT THIS ALGAE AND BE CURED!  I'm saying try eating this algae along with whatever you are doing because it seems to have positive effects.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/mistletoe/patient/31.cdr#Section_31 (An extract in mistletoe can actually kill cancer cells).

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In further addition, numerous naturopaths have killed patients by convincing them to delay actual treatment and their cancers going from benign to malignant as a result. This means the naturopathy side has a negative cure rate when it comes to cancer; every person who chooses naturopathy over a doctor will DIE because naturopathy has never cured cancer. In order to illustrate this, it would be the same as if every oncologist in the world not only never ever could cure cancer, but a large number of which would make their patient worse. Why on earth would you suggest I kill myself?
http://www.forcesofnature.ca/NaturopathicSuccessStories.htm
http://www.lifepositive.com/Body/body-holistic/cancer-cure/cancer-drugs.asp
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if you do not answer these questions to my admittedly arbitrary satisfaction, I'm going to report every post you make in this topic next because while I'm not sure it's against the rules, I think we can rule of thumb stretch the fact that you suggested a course of action that will kill me and have refused to back it up since into "attempted murder of a gw member" which is hopefully a warnable offense???
I don't care.  I'm sorry for being concerned and suggesting something that may be of help.  I'M SORRY FOR CARING.  I did not suggest to stop going to your doctor and see a naturopath fuck doctors they suck no.  I said why not try seeing a naturopath ALONG with your other doctor just to see what the ND says?  I know of plenty of people who have a regular doctor and also visit a Naturopath.  It's true, naturpathy doesn't have all the answers, regular doctors don't either.  That is why it is good to get both, if one can't do something maybe the other can??


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earlier in this topic I ripped into Mog for being insensitive and suggesting I need to be a "better person" after this. compared to his comment, yours is infinitely worse. you don't seem to realize that you seriously suggested I seek a second opinion that would kill me if I took it, and continue to claim it wasn't at best maliciously fucking stupid and at worst straight up evil to do so. so answer the questions above (mostly because I've got a week off chemo and you're a funny motherfucker when you babble incoherently about shit you don't know) or don't post again.
It wouldn't KILL YOU.  Also, I never said take it I said check it out.  You don't have to do it, just see what it is about.
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i'll give him credit

this time he actually cited some reputable sources. (webmd, cancer.org).

But Dok, an ND is stupid, and there is a big reason why a lot of alternative medicines are laughed at: most of them simply do not do jack shit or hurt you.. If anything, he should get another MD just in case to get a second opinion from someone who actually knows something.
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this time he actually cited some reputable sources. (webmd, cancer.org).
And forcesofnature.ca, and lifepositive.com...
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http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3x_Astragalus.asp
website itself says:

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However, available scientific evidence does not support claims that astragalus can prevent cancer, cure cancer, or reduce side effects of mainstream cancer treatment in humans. There is some suggestion that it may enhance the effects of certain chemotherapy (cancer treatment) drugs, but more testing is needed.

http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20060728/birch-bark-prostate-cancer-treatment
This one doesnt involve EATING BARK OR SOMETHING
it involves extract something from the tree, and deriving a medicine from it(hello aspirin(i dont eat willow trees or something for a headache)) this is not some ND shit here, they use science

http://www.springerlink.com/content/wt94um4gha92ru75/
what the fuck is 10mg of ukrain

im so confused by this article

http://proukrain.com/infophys.html

oh i read this
then from the previous link
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Conclusions. Our data demonstrate that Ukrain improves quality of life in patients suffering from advanced pancreatic cancer and significantly prolongs survival time in these patients.
they still die right?
I think morphine is cooler to use if im going to die

on top of that, I searched everywhere I could, and that proukrain.com shit is the only site about the crap
I can't find it anywhere else
fake drugs are cool i guess???

actually on top of that the site with information is called proukrain
thats not going to be biased at all


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T8D-4G7NSY5-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=be50e0132181589af927ebc781a5dada

the hell does this one have to do with cancer, it is like, for auto-immune diseases if anything, do you even read your sources?



http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/mistletoe/HealthProfessional/page3
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/mistletoe/patient/31.cdr#Section_31
http://thorax.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/44/12/1047 (did you honestly use this to try and look smart, honestly)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10851520

I grouped these because they aren't even approved by the FDA at all, like, hey lets use this fake medicine with real medicine and hope it doesn't conflict in any way!


i love you doktormartini, really

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i'll give him credit

this time he actually cited some reputable sources. (webmd, cancer.org).

But Dok, an ND is stupid, and there is a big reason why a lot of alternative medicines are laughed at: most of them simply do not do jack shit or hurt you.. If anything, he should get another MD just in case to get a second opinion from someone who actually knows something.

he isn't allowed to have credit

edit2: i answered my own question
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do you even read your sources?
I don't know velfarre I really didn't read the site I posted the link without reading it that is my fault.  I don't know how good of a site it is (it looks kinda dumb).
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Man the thing I don't get dok, is that most MEDS and shit that a doctor would prescribe are carefully put together from natural sources anyway. Like EATING MOULD might help a throat infection but it would never be as effective as just taking some prescribed penicillin. You either have some kind of fear/aversion of doctors and MODERN MEDICINE that you haven't told us about or you are just really fucked up and believe that all this natural shit is more effective? I haven't read any of the studies or links that have been posted other than WOMANS FACE FALLS OFF (Holy fuck) but whatever NATURAL COURSE OF LICKING TOADS you think alleviates the pain of athletes foot, it's nothing near to how effective the medicine will be that probably uses the exact same chemicals produced by the toad, in either a more concentrated form, or as some concoction of other chemicals.

Fuck I'm not a doctor, I can't explain this well at all but Scientists and doctors aren't just MAGICKING NEW EXISTENCE. Everything they put into their meds will have at some point come from the earth, whether it is concentrated or mixed with something else that's where it will have come from. So whatever affects these WEEDS EATING WEEDS CURES CANCER are having, will only be a fraction of what is proven  to be effective by doctors.

PS I burnt a HOLE in my stomach and bled stomach acid into my bloodstream and vice versa, started digesting blood. What NATURAL WEEDS would you recommend I go out and pick to fix this when I was dying and had like MAYBE A DAY to live? Because in that situation if I was being rushed into the emergency room and some guy stopped me to say "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT MEDICINE? MAYBE YOU WOULD RATHER DRINK THIS POND WATER AND SEE IF IT CLEARS UP FIRST?" I would have had to find the energy to floor him.
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I don't care.  I'm sorry for being concerned and suggesting something that may be of help.  I'M SORRY FOR CARING.  I did not suggest to stop going to your doctor and see a naturopath fuck doctors they suck no.  I said why not try seeing a naturopath ALONG with your other doctor just to see what the ND says?  I know of plenty of people who have a regular doctor and also visit a Naturopath.  It's true, naturpathy doesn't have all the answers, regular doctors don't either.  That is why it is good to get both, if one can't do something maybe the other can??

because one of them can do nothing. you've provided zero evidence of a single ND curing cancer. NDs cannot cure cancer. they will KILL ME. you suggested I take the advice of someone who will give me a ZERO CURE RATE. ZERO. CURE. RATE. you suggested I seek the help of someone who will kill me. how do you not get this?

the links you provided to dissuade this were a single letter written about a cancer that went into remission. did you know this happens anyways? yeah! cancers do go into remission naturally ALL THE FUCKING TIME. my own did! remember the throat thing? it swole up during my trip with Chef but went down again JUST BECAUSE. a week later it swole up again. is it Chef? did Chef cure my cancer? maybe that's the natural cure, hanging out with Chef!

your other link is broken, w00t, good job.

basically you are just so stupid guy, it's amazing. I can't believe someone like you exists!

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It wouldn't KILL YOU.

no, but listening to them over an MD would. you also glazed over the part where taking mysterious non-regulated extracts into a body literally filled with new poisons and chemicals can actually cause harm to a patient and could potentially stop my heart or weaken my bone marrow or anything.
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no its ok ND's study basically all the stuff of regular doctors (plus a bit more ^_^) so it would be fine.
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