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and okay i felt it a bit but there's no nerves in the skull or brain so i felt it in the same way you feel a sonicare toothbrush.

and you know, it's your head.
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Yeah I'd probably be thinking shit like "oh god this is the noise head trauma victims hear before they die CRACK and that's it!"

Good lord that's intense. Mad props dogg... mad props

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what the fuck dude. that's horrible malpractice.

That’s right, you have the young gaming with the old(er), white people gaming with black people, men and women, Asian countries gaming with the EU, North Americans gaming with South Americans. Much like world sporting events like the Wolrd Cup, or the Olympics will bring together different nations in friendly competition, (note the recent Asian Cup; Iraq vs. Saudi Arabia, no violence there) we come together. The differences being, we are not divided by our nationalities and we do it 24-7, and on a personal level.

We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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no its not. they tried to get it, but couldnt, pathology said they weren't getting good samples, they had to drill again.

what is annoying is I swear they said they'd use MAC anesthesia. I'm gonna ask when the doc shows up but I could swear I should have been IN AND OUT instead of just almost entirely coherent. I mean I had discussions about EMINEM and heard them talking about stuff and made jokes.
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No, not the second drilling. Wasn't that anesthesia supposed to put you out for the drilling in general? People sue for millions of dollars over improper surgical anesthetic!

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We are a community without borders and without colours, the spirit and diversity of the gaming community is one that should be looked up to, a spirit and diversity other groups should strive toward.
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to hell with 4000 dollars how does 4 million strike you?
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i'll look into it. maybe my concept of MAC anesthesia was wrong. but you guys can google it too and I swear I've done it before to get my portocath put in and I was high as fuck during and afterwards.

painkillers wore off an hour ago btw which was miserable for a bit but tylenol got it.
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Conscious sedation and monitored anesthesia care (MAC) refer to an awareness somewhere in the middle of the spectrum depending on the degree to which a patient is sedated. It is important to note that awareness/wakefulness is not necessarily correlated with pain or discomfort. The aim of conscious sedation or minimal anesthetic care is to provide a safe and comfortable anesthetic while maintaining the patient's ability to follow commands.
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i forgot to ask because bad news: it looks like it's more cancer. he can't say 100% as this isn't final pathology but the first biopsy seemed to bring up a brain met. we can probably irradiate it but...

sucks!

anyways, new york tomorrow.
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Fuck man that sucks :( I hope New York goes well and that they put you on something that will actually cure you.
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Have a good time in New York. Maybe you could irradiate your cancer in the warm glow of Times Square.
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wait so... how many times have you had cancer? like, how many times have you thought that it was gone and then it came back. because it seems like cancer is being a total jerk to you (though i guess it's a jerk to everyone), and i am wondering how many times this stupid thing has come back.
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its all the same cancer but we don't really know the time line. i think this brain tumor is a new thing though as the tumor markers were dropping but who knows. this is at least the second time.

just fyi this was really horrible in a lot of ways. like idk if you thought like i did and were like HEH NEAT AWAKE DURING A SURGERY but after the first drill it was like okay stop the ride im getting off. it's not cool at all, it just fucking sucks. the vice grip actually hurts a lot after they release you and the pain killers wear off and they've made my head lumpy a bit. also maybe this could invalidate me from other clinical trials, including the reason i'm going to new york!!! goddam.

the idea i think is stereotactic radiation again but at a higher dose.

edit: like i wouldn't wish chemo on anyone but as a singular experience HEARING YOUR SKULL GETTING DRILLED INTO is really up there with horrible shit like pulits getting shot etc. it is the worst experience.

like being kissed by raine dog...
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once again I'd like a small favor; one of my radiologists has suggested whole brain radiation. however some older studies with older patients have shown high incidence of, to put it in layman's terms, RETARDATION, with this. my neurosurgeon said nah those are not accurate but I wouldn't do it anyways.

anyone want to back this up one way or the other?
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This is taken from a cancer message board and it is in response to a question pertaining to whole brain radiation. I didn't read all of it, but it looks like there are a wealth of facts. Of course, I would probably double check some of the information, as one can not be too sure about what a random person posts on a message board.

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Whole Brain Radiation and Brain Metastasis


The initial approach to using radiation postoperatively to treat brain metastases, used to be whole brain radiation, but this was abandoned because of the substantial neurological deficits that resulted, sometimes appearing a considerable time after treatment. Whole brain radiation was routinely administered to patients after craniotomy for excision of a cerebral metastasis in an attempt to destroy any residual cancer cells at the surgical site. However, the deleterious effects of whole brain radiation, such as dementia and other irreversible neurotoxicities, became evident.


This raised the question as to whether elective postoperative whole brain radiation should be administered to patients after excision of a solitary brain metastasis. Current clinical practice, at a number of leading cancer centers, use a more focused radiation field (Radiotherapy) that includes only 2-3cm beyond the periphery of the tumor site. This begins as soon as the surgical incision has healed.


Many metastatic brain lesions are now being treated with stereotactic radiosurgery. In fact, some feel radiosurgery is the treatment of choice for most brain metastases. There are a number of radiation treatments for therapy (Stereotatic, Gamma-Knife, Cyber-Knife, Brachyradiation and IMRT to name a few). These treatments are focal and not diffuse. Unlike surgery, few lesions are inaccessible to radiosurgical treatment because of their location in the brain. Also, their generally small size and relative lack of invasion into adjacent brain tissue make brain metastases ideal candidates for radiosurgery. Multiple lesions may be treated as long as they are small.


The risk of neurotoxicity from whole brain radiation is not insignificant and this approach is not indicated in patients with a solitary brain metastasis. Observation or focal radiation is a better choice in solitary metastasis patients. Whole brain radiation can induce neurological deterioration, dementia or both. Those at increased risk for long-term radiation effects are adults over 50 years of age. However, whole brain radiation therapy has been recognized to cause considerable permanent side effects mainly in patients over 60 years of age. The side effects from whole brain radiation therapy affect up to 90% of patients in this age group. Focal radiation to the local tumor bed has been applied to patients to avoid these complications.


Aggressive treatment like surgical resection and focal radiation to the local tumor bed in patients with limited or no systemic disease can yield long-term survival. In such patients, delayed deleterious side effects of whole brain radiation therapy are particularly tragic. Within 6 months to 2 years patients can develop progressive dementia, ataxia and urinary incontinence, causing severe disability and in some, death. Delayed radiation injuries result in increased tissue pressure from edema, vascular injury leading to infarction, damage to endothelial cells and fibrinoid necrosis of small arteries and arterioles.


Even the studies performed by Dr. Roy Patchell, et al, in the early and late 90's have been recognized incorrectly, sometimes, in the radiation oncology profession. The studies were thought to have been the difference between surgical excision of brain tumor alone vs. surgical excision & whole brain radiation. It was a study of whole brain radiation of a brain tumor alone vs. whole brain radiation & surgical excision. The increased success had been the surgery. And they measured "tumor recurrence", not "long-term survival". Patients experiencing any survival could have been dying from radiation necrosis, starting within two years of whole brain radiation treatment and documented as "complications of cancer" not "complications of treatment". There may have been less "tumor recurrence" but not more "long-term survival".


Patchell's studies convincingly showed there was no survival benefit or prolonged independence in patients who received postoperative whole brain radiation therapy. The efficacy of postoperative radiotherapy after complete surgical resection had not been established. It never mentioned the incidence of dementia, alopecia, nausea, fatigue or any other numerous side effects associated with whole brain radiation. The most interesting part of this study were the patients who lived the longest. Patients in the observation group who avoided neurologic deaths had an improvement in survival, justifying the recommendation that whole brain radiation therapy is not indicated following surgical resection of a solitary brain metastasis.


An editorial to Patchell's studies by Drs. Arlan Pinzer Mintz and J. Gregory Cairncross (JAMA 1998;280:1527-1529) described the morbidity associated with whole brain radiation and emphasized the importance of individualized treatment decisions and quality-of-life outcomes. The morbidity associated with whole brain radiation does not indicate whole brain radiation therapy following surgical resection of a solitary brain metastasis. Patients who avoided the neurologic side effects of whole brain radiation had an improvement in survival. His studies convincingly showed there was no survival benefit or prolonged independence in patients who received postoperative whole brain radiation therapy. There may have been some less tumor recurrence but not more long-term survival.


Had fatigue, memory loss and other adverse effects of whole brain radiation been considered, and had quality of life been measured, it might be less clear that whole brain radiation is the right choice for all patients. These patients do not remain functionally independent longer, nor do they live longer than those that have surgery alone, said researchers in a report in an issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association. Patchell's standard for proving the value (improving overall survival) of whole brain radiation fell short of this criteria.


The UCLA Metastatic Brain Tumor Program treats metastatic disease focally so as to spare normal brain tissue and function. Focal treatment allows retreatment of local and new recurrences (whole brain radiation is once and done, cannot be used again). UCLA is equipped with X-knife and Novalis to treat tumors of all sizes and shapes. For patients with a large number of small brain metastases (more than 5), they offer whole brain radiotherapy.


http://neurosurgery.ucla.edu/Programs/BrainTumor/Metastatic_


As reported in MD Anderson's OncoLog, in the past the only treatment for multiple metastases was whole brain radiation, which on its own had little effect on survival. There are now a variety of effective treatment modalities for people who have fewer than four tumors. Dr. Jeffrey Weinberg at the Department of Neurosurgery at MD Anderson has said "with a small, finite number of tumors, it may be better to treat the individual brain tumors themselves rather than the whole brain." Anderson is equipped with Linac Linear Accelerator. The critical idea is to focally treat all tumors.


http://www2.mdanderson.org/depts/oncolog/articles/05/1-jan/1


The results of a study at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine reported that treating four or more brain tumors in a single radiosurgery session resulted in improved survival compared to whole brain radiation therapy alone. Patients underwent Gamma-Knife radiosurgery and the results indicate that treating four or more brain tumors with radiosurgery is safe and effective and translates into a survival benefit for patients.


http://newsbureau.upmc.com/UPCI/GammaKnifeStudy2005.htm


Sometimes, symptoms of brain damage appear many months or years after radiation therapy, a condition called late-delayed radiation damage (radiation necrosis or radiation encephalopathy). Radiation necrosis may result from the death of tumor cells and associated reaction in surrounding normal brain or may result from the necrosis of normal brain tissue surrounding the previously treated metastatic brain tumor. Such reactions tend to occur more frequently in larger lesions (either primary brain tumors or metastatic tumors). Radiation necrosis has been estimated to occur in 20% to 25% of patients treated for these tumors. Some studies say it can develop in at least 40% of patients irradiated for neoplasms following large volume or whole brain radiation and possibly 3% to 9% of patients irradiated focally for brain tumors that developed clinically detectable focal radiation necrosis. In the production of radiation necrosis, the dose and time over which it is given is important, however, the exact amounts that produce such damage cannot be stated.


Late effects of whole brain radiation can include abnormalities of cognition (thinking ability) as well as abnormalities of hormone production. The hypothalamus is the part of the brain that controls pituitary function. The pituitary makes hormones that control production of sex hormones, thyroid hormone, cortisol. Both the pituitary and the hypothalamus will be irradiated if whole brain radiation occurs. Damage to these structures can cause disturbances of personality, libido, thirst, appetite, sleep and other symptoms as well. Psychiatric symptoms can be a prominent part of the clinical picture presented when radiation necrosis occurs.


Again, whole brain radiation is the most damaging of all types of radiation treatments and causes the most severe side effects in the long run to patients. In the past, patients who were candidates for whole brain radiation were selected because they were thought to have limited survival times of less than 1-2 years and other technology did not exist. Today, many physicians question the use of whole brain radiation in most cases as one-session radiosurgery treatment can be repeated for original tumors or used for additional tumors with little or no side effects from radiation to healthy tissues. Increasingly, major studies and research have shown that the benefits of radiosurgery can be as effective as whole brain radiation without the side effects.
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HEARING YOUR SKULL GETTING DRILLED INTO is really up there with horrible shit like pulits getting shot etc. it is the worst experience.

like being kissed by raine dog...

im confused, you don't drill raine dog in the skull

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well so the bad news is that the brain met means i'm not eligible but the good news is if i do some radiation stuff and then a different chemo to which there's a cure rate attached i'm good???

also if the brain mets stay away for six months but cancer in general stays i'm eligible for the high dose as well.

kind of confusing and chef's on his way over so let me sort this thing out and i guess i'll make a better post later when i know more.
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brain mets?  heh, i guess that's why you're so excited about going to the moma instead of the met


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I hope all turns out well, man.