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no it has been going on since the late 1800's not thousands of years.

The fight for Jerusalem and Palestine/Israel has been going on for thousands of years.
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Wow, and I thought Saudi Arabia was ruled exclusively by religious extremist fucknuts. Way to go Israel, way to go.
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I think we should westernize their culture.

That culture is the source of all their problems. As someone here said before, they've had this feud for thousands of years, pure and simple. This feud is perpetuated by their violent culture and constant conflict. If they were less responsive to the culture, then they will be less inclined to fight. Just imagine if each one of them was a fatass, ideologically apathetic American. No grand values to fight for there. Nothing to die for. Because Western culture tends to destroy other countries' traditions, if we were to destroy theirs, less people would die. This is the PERFECT SOLUTION!

I propose that we translate Ayn Rand to Hebrew, and drop copies of "Atlas Shrugged" and the "Fountainhead" over Israel and Gaza. That'll teach 'em.

EDIT: That was a jokepost by the way, don't ban me.

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i bet us military commanders wish they could get away with killing civilians like the israelis do
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7803711.stm
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320 - Official Gaza toll (source: UN)
62 civilians in Gaza (source: UN)
2 civilians in Israel (source: Israel police)

Not a single civilian death is justifyable, so guys, continue to argue about how Israel are in the right.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7803711.stm
Not a single civilian death is justifyable, so guys, continue to argue about how Israel are in the right.
the only people arguing that seem to be a massive troll and two zionists.
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shut up dude they aren't zionists. lack of knowledge or some dumb equivalency EVERYONE IS BAD argument does not mean arguing the opposite side!

seriously though truth maybe stop being horrified by everything so people on GW will stop reacting negatively even when you're in the right.
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no it has been going on since the late 1800's not thousands of years.

This is a pretty stupid thing to say just because you imagine you are somehow championing a cause by blaming the British for the situation in the Middle East. Yeah, they exacerbated everything, but the fucking Romans complained about how hopeless the situation in the Middle East was when they first arrived (and later left).

Pretty much since the Hebrews escaped from Egypt they have been fighting for a homeland in the Middle East. Most of that fighting stemmed from the fact that they (at a time when pretty much every town had its own religion and didn't really care what the next down over worshipped) went around telling everyone else they were wrong and their various religions sucked and that they'd burn in hell for being pagan idolaters. That's not a great way to fit in! Seriously, there was (in the ancient world) pretty much a different ethnic group every couple of feet in the Middle East and they all got along reasonably well (considering!) with each other. You don't think maybe the anomaly is to blame, not everyone else?

Sure, it didn't help when Islam pretty much bowled everyone over and amalgamated every people from the Atlantic to the Hindu Kush (except the Hebrews of course!) but you've got to fogethmm when a single people have managed to be at war with their neighbours for literally their entire 3000 year plus existence.

The state of Israel was created and supported mostly because their were a lot of influential, wealthy, brilliant Jewish people in the right place at the right time, starting with Disraeli but reach far beyond. It's not that hard to understand. Without the support of other nations, modern logistics and weapons would have pretty much sealed the fate of the Middle East (maybe for the better, maybe not!). I'm not saying that dem tricky jews are secretly working to defeat all comers, but they've historically (for a long, long time) been extremely belligerant and people who write off the Middle Eastern conflict as a result solely of meddling European powers are dumb.

Also, yeah Palestinians attack Israel but it is a fight between kids with rocks and really angry soldiers with guns and lots and lot of bullets. Like, every metaphor you can think of for a mismatched fight applies to Palestine v. Israel. I don't know what kind of rockets they fired, but rockets can pretty much be anything from a bottle filled with gas to, like, the Triton II. Bear in mind that the Palestinians at best have access to antiquated ex-Soviet ex-Jordanian (or likewise pseudo-friendly neighbour) equipment. Equipment so bad third world countries don't think it's worth keeping. Again, these Korean-war era (if they're lucky) weapons versus a country that has the atomic bomb.
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kaempfer doktormartini literally gets his opinions from youtube videos. wouldn't take what he says too seriously!
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there are some intelligent people on youtube, but he gets his from KK4 kind of people.
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shut up dude they aren't zionists. lack of knowledge or some dumb equivalency EVERYONE IS BAD argument does not mean arguing the opposite side!

seriously though truth maybe stop being horrified by everything so people on GW will stop reacting negatively even when you're in the right.

There were a few people in here arguing the ISRAEL IS A SOVERIGN NATION WITH A RIGHT TO ALL LAND TO THE JUDEA BLAH BLAH BLAH shit weren't there? HAMAS NEEDS TO SHUT UP THIS IS ISRAEL'S LAND
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Sure, it didn't help when Islam pretty much bowled everyone over and amalgamated every people from the Atlantic to the Hindu Kush (except the Hebrews of course!) but you've got to fogethmm when a single people have managed to be at war with their neighbours for literally their entire 3000 year plus existence.

I dont really know what you mean by bowled and amalgated everyone, out of all abrahamic traditions,
the muslims were the only people who didn't force the people of the countries they conquered into becoming muslim:

Spain was a muslim country for 500 years, but once the christians invaded it was either become christian or die.
To this date the Hasidic Jews and Christians have their people intact in muslim countries,
in fact it's commonly known that the jews during the crusades had a prayer urging the muslims rather than the christians to conquer, since they would not be forced to convert.
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I meant that the Muslims pretty much controlled the entire Southern and Eastern coasts of the Mediterranean in like three hundred years. They didn't do it all through force of arms, nor did they force conversion, but there is no doubt that the leadership suddenly found themselves facing Mecca a couple times a day!

edit: also, a huge number of polytheistic religions were stamped out completely when the Muslims took over, so forced conversion was not exactly unheard of!
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spain wasn't a solely muslim country, there was a like north(xtian) south(muslim) divide.

While Islam didn't force conversion it did persecute against non-islamics with taxes and such during the crusades period, so many did convert to that but also converted because it was a much more peaceful religion than thuoght, and society/culture was was so much more advanced than the christian. Also yeah the christian's were kinda weird in that while they faught againt the arabs they were far more civil to them than they were the jews. They were treated as sub-humans, while the christians and arabs got along fine during the truces(well not 100% fine, but it was pretty stable).
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spain wasn't a solely muslim country, there was a like north(xtian) south(muslim) divide.

While Islam didn't force conversion it did persecute against non-islamics with taxes and such during the crusades period, so many did convert to that but also converted because it was a much more peaceful religion than thuoght, and society/culture was was so much more advanced than the christian. Also yeah the christian's were kinda weird in that while they faught againt the arabs they were far more civil to them than they were the jews. They were treated as sub-humans, while the christians and arabs got along fine during the truces(well not 100% fine, but it was pretty stable).

True enough, but that 'persecution' had a righteous cause that was well understood at the time, by both parts:
The only reason for the taxes were for welfare reasons, because muslims by religion are obliged to pay Zakat, that is a certain percentage of their annual wealth to the poor, other traditions/religions didnt have that aspect and so to maintain that part of the welfare economy, they imposed that on people of other religions.
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While it is nice to see people that actually care about medieval history, (outside of Europe) the roots of the current conflict do not go back that far, and it requires a vast oversimplification to come to the conclusion that they do.  Furthermore, going back thousands of years the region has experienced its fair share of long periods of peace and of war, not particularly exemplary when compared to regions of a similar background.  The people involved may use history to support the present situation and attempt to create a future, but even that historical view is a fairly modern construct. 
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There were a few people in here arguing the ISRAEL IS A SOVERIGN NATION WITH A RIGHT TO ALL LAND TO THE JUDEA BLAH BLAH BLAH shit weren't there? HAMAS NEEDS TO SHUT UP THIS IS ISRAEL'S LAND

other than gnomey no one said this.
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other than gnomey no one said this.

so then the only problem was me saying two instead of one? gotcha
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i wish i was on when flower power posted. seriously i hate that one guy that comes in and is like UHH GUYS CAN YOU PLZ EXPLAIN>?/? when this is one of the easiest conflicts to understand and find information on.

and Israel's absorption of palestinian territories is basically completely inevitable ....... western support along with a shortage of powerful allies for palestine is basically going to end them! it's really sad imo :(

also the atomic shield obama has offered is really worrying. it is so sad everyone is SUPER PSYCHED about this guy and in reality he is totally for supporting america's wretched foreign policy :(
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