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Hey I'm looking at various externals to get, but I'm not sure what drive is the best. Basically, I just need one that will chill on my desk and hold my stuff without crashing ever, which is for some reason what externals are known to do...although, is there a difference between a large drive which stays on your desk and one which is "passport" sized that you carry around? Both seem to hold the same amount, but is one more prone to crashing or more expensive? All I really need to know is which is a good brand, but also some tips and experiences concerning externals would be great.
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I'm planning on buying high end headphones (by high end I mean about $200...if necessary, basically I want these to be last pair I'll need to own for the next 10 years), and I'd like some buyer tips. I'm thinking around ear would be the best, since that would offer the best noise isolation, right? (What are pros and cons of around ear, on ear, and in ear?) Also, I'm considering getting one with noise isolation so I can listen to my music comfortably in a car, or more likely, in a crowded room. How does one differenciate between noise isolation providers (or do you?)?

And I don't want headphones that end up amplifying the bass sound unproportionally, because that drowns out the other sounds, especially with metal or bassheavy music. Also, they should be decent when listening to audiobooks.

And what are headphone amps? I read that they should be used if you're listening with your ipod or CD player or from your computer. How much do they help and what's a good one of these?
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chinese democracy will never come out bwa...bwahahaha.

Well, apparently its coming out in less than a month. And I know there's absolutely zero GnR fans at GW, but them's the breaks.

Axl Rose has been promising the imminent release of Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy ever since he looked like this (pictured). So most fans become properly skeptical whenever Billboard publishes an article like this one, claiming that Chinese Democracy will finally (no, really!) be released on Nov. 23. This time, though, there's some indication that the news is for real.

I'm downloading this the day it leaks, assuming its not a fake due date again. I don't expect another Appetite for Destruction, but I expect it to be about as good as the Use Your Illusion albums if you take away November Rain.
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Lately I've become very interested in music that features the drums/percussion as an integral part of the music. I'm having a hard time knowing where to go for more. I got really interested in it while listening to stuff like magma and especially Indian Bhangra music. Not that I'm looking for stuff that's similar to those two things, but it couldn't hurt if I got more of the same, but really I'm just looking for music that's very rhythm heavy. And I doubt hip-hop/r&b/rap would be the way to go as the beats are too simple, but if there's exceptions I'd love to hear them!
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For this installment of the award winning Topic of the WeekTOTW series you will be answering this question:

What influences your taste in music?


Actually, scratch that. It's a bit too broad. I'll answer it for you: 1) your current environment, 2) your upbringing, and 3) your own personal taste. These are the three major variables that influence musical taste. (This is not necessarily limited to just music however; it applies to pretty much all psychology, sociology, and philosophy.) Here is an explanation of each, accompanied of course with pictures found on google image search:



1) Your current environment concerns where you live. For purposes of this topic, it influences the music you listen to primarily through other people's tastes (peer pressure!), but also through what, if any, type of music is promoted in that area through other means. Example, you live in an area where people your age mostly listen to the Jonas Brothers, or your personal group of friends all listen to the most obscure crap you can find because its rebelling against all the dumb kids who like the JB. Either way, your taste in music will be influenced because you either listen to the same thing as the people around you, or you rebel against it and avoid that type of music.


As for the second part, what type of music is promoted in your area, its basically the same thing as the first, the only thing different is the source. The source in this case is something like the local radio stations, any concerts booked in your area, what traditionally became part of your area's musical culture, etc. Again, you can either accept it or reject it (not 100% in either direction of course!), but either way it is an influence on your taste.


2) Your upbringing is as important as your environment because it deals with what you listened to in the past. For example, when I was younger (like 8-11 years old), I listened mainly to classical music like Beethoven and the sort. Now therefore I have a natural tendancy to steer away from that genre because I no longer find interest in it. It can also work the other way around, say your parents are Polish and they played alot of polish pop around the house when you were younger; you may find yourself interested in hearing more of that sort of music now that you are at the age of comprehending what you are actually listening to.


Basically, what experiences in the past affect what you listen to now?

3) And finally, Your personal taste, which is not so much a separate category from the other two but rather a result of them. As you grow your taste in music will change naturally, helped along by the above two influences. You may say that personal taste supercedes the above two, and you are probably right, however that personal taste is still a result of the way your taste has been influenced. I include this category as a topic for discussion because while it is a large part of your decision on what to listen to, it is not always present. Take for example you are in the car with one of your friends, when she puts on a song that you've never heard before from a station you don't listen to. You end up enjoying the song, despite it not being (what you originally thought to be) part of your style. That's an example of your environment bypassing your personal taste.


What personal taste does govern is what type of music you enjoy listening to and actively searching out on your own. Example: you like jazz and you look up all sorts of underground clubs in the city that play jazz.


Very sorry for the long read, and if you are still with me up to this point, I guess you can reply in two ways: first, describe the things which influence your taste according to the categories given (environment, upbringing, personal taste); or second, argue with my appointed categories and perhaps add/subtract any from your response.

One last thing: This is NOT a thread to talk about what kind of music you like, we have enough of those. This is to do some introspection and figure out WHY you like that kind of music.
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Until recently, perhaps 30 years ago, homosexuality was seen as a mental disorder. Now? Obviously not. If anyone says different, everyone, fucking EVERYONE jumps on them and says, "no its not he's just a sinner he's completely normal!" Now, however, pedophilia is seen as being what homosexuality was. Quote wikipedia: "As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children and has engaged or may engage in child sexual abuse;" Myself, being an ignorant teenager with an opinion on things, thinks that this is just stupid.

There was actually a thread here a couple months ago in which pedophilia was discussed, and I "defended" it by saying, no its not a disorder. Of course, I got jumped on by a couple of people, but since that thread didn't exchange facts, rather only blows, I didn't learn anything. The purpose of this thread is not to incite, bait, or upset; rather this is a serious attempt to learn. My problem with classifying pedophilia as a disorder is that I don't see any cause for it other than people viewing it as distasteful and wanting to sweep it under the rug (same with gays until recently amirite).

Potential arguments you guys may have:
-How DARE you compare homosexuality and pedophilia!
Why not? Its the closest comparison I think humanity has. Both are/were seen as unsavory differences in our society and thus had "treatment centers" opened for them. There's (usually) christian led gay camps trying to turn people straight. And "[a]lthough pedophilia has no cure at this time, various treatments are available that are aimed at reducing or preventing the expression of pedophilic behavior, reducing the prevalence of child sexual abuse. Treatment of pedophilia often requires collaboration between law enforcement and health care professionals. A number of proposed treatment techniques for pedophilia have been developed, though the success rate of these therapies has been very low." (wikipedia) So please, give me a reason to not compare them while staying your anger.

-Pedophilia is a disgusting act which takes advantage of innocent children! How can you possibly support it?
I don't.

-Pedophilia is a disorder because pedophiles can not function in society.
This may be true, I don't know because I haven't had any information on this statement's validity. A possible counterargument would be that pedophiles are not ALL going to rape a child given the chance. Its more likely to happen than not perhaps because our society has placed such a stigma against this act that they have no other possible release. Also, is rape of an adult different? Is the rapist a fully functioning member of society? I think not. Something I'm not sure of however is whether this form of rape is seen as a mental disorder (not likely) or is it just viewed as an isolated crime which must be punished because rape is rape and there's no reason to look into the deeper psychological aspects as to why this person raped someone but say they did it for lust and a feeling of power? (this option)

To close, I suppose my view is the same as that of pro-pedophilia activist Frits Bernard: the "acceptance of pedophilia as a sexual orientation rather than a psychological disorder." ...ew I have the same opinion as a pedo!
edit: I've been proven wrong, Lets call it a fetish instead.
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So my grandpa is very into their music, but when he showed me some music videos I didn't really see anything interesting. But tell me, what do you think of them? Do you like them? Are they worth listening to? Should I check them out?
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Progressive Rock:
French Zeuhl


The second in a series of highly successful articles on prog will focus on the movement known as Zeuhl, which sounded very similar to jazz fusion during its origins, and still does, but is also catagorized by extremely prominent bass, complex drumming, and chanting. The genre was developed by the French band Magma in the 70s, and later spread to Japan in the 90s. The Japanese vision of Zeuhl is much more hectic, chaotic, and avant-garde. This article will focus on the Progressive Fusion movement in France, which I will from now on refer to as French Zeuhl.


Hey, what does "Zeuhl" mean anyway?

It is a word in the Kobaian language that means "celestial". Its origins come from this band:


Magma


Zeuhl was developed by the band Magma, whose albums are all related in that they chronicle the mythology of the planet Kobaia. This is not important in understanding their music however, as the lyrics are sung in Kobaian, a language created by Christian Vander, drummer, leader, and only constant force behind the band during its existance.


While the statement sounds radical, Magma was French Zeuhl's ONLY real band during the 70s. Any others were offshoots in which one or more former members of Magma participated. The 80s brought unique bands with them, and I shall discuss some of them here as well.


Kobaia (1970)1001° Centigrades (1971)Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh (1973)Köhntarkösz (1974)Wurdah Ïtah (1974)Üdü Wüdü (1976)K.A. (2004)


As this is the most important band in Zeuhl, the majority of their albums can be considered essential listening. Their most famous is Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh (shortened to MDK for sanity). It should definately be on your playlist if you like Zeuhl. There is an alternate version on their "live" album Retrospektiw I-II released in 1981 (claimed to be live but actually recorded in studio and overdubbed with crowd noise) which I also recommend. MDK has very prominent brass and choir sections, making for a majestic experience, though these additions sometimes interfere with the dynamics and subtleties. The version on Retrospektiw I-II does not have a brass section. Also, this is technically all one song.


The albums I would recommend first however are Udu Wudu and Kobaia (their two disc debut). Udu Wudu I consider their most accessible along with Attahk (1978), the latter unfortunately having a good to weak track ratio of about 1:1. Their debut is good for fusion fans who would prefer a more subtle and jazzy introduction to Magma. From Udu Wudu and Kobaia proceed to MDK and then Kontarkosz. From here, if you are a big jazz or fusion fan, try 1001 degrees Centigrades. If you are the type of Zeuhl fan who wants to stay away from jazz for the most part, go get K.A. (full name Kontarkosz Anteria), their first studio album in 20 years, which is a much welcome return to form after three weaker albums. Finally, once you become fully indoctrinated in the ways of Zeuhl, listen to Wurdah Itah, originally released as a Christian Vander solo album but now part of the Magma catalogue.


By the way, their weaker albums are not "weaker" per se, they just contain more simple compositions and sound almost poppy/disco-ish.


During the 80s Christian Vander continued in a more jazz orientated direction with Offering. He recently brought Magma back together to record new material.


You mentioned something about a mythology?

Nothing gets by you! Correct, this mythology is the unifying force behind much, if not all, of Magma. Because of the lack of information given to fans by the band, much of the story is up for debate and speculation. In fact, in their debut album, the language was not much more than gibberish. It was not fully developed until later albums with the help of Klaus Blasquiz.


Anyway, here is the known plot as written by Peter Thelen:


The short version:

Kobaia: Some people leave a dying Earth and found a new society on Kobaia.

1001 Degrees Centigrades: The Kobaians visit Earth to teach their philosophies, but are treated badly and vow never to return.

Theusz Hamtaahk & Wurdah Itah: The first and second movements of the Theusz Hamtaahk (translated as Time of Hatred) trilogy (third movement being MDK). Not much informtion, but assume that time passes and things on Earth get more and more desparate.

MDK: A man who believes in the Kobaian teachings tries to lead everything to adopt those ways. In the end they do.

Kohntarkosz: A man discovers the tomb of Ementeht-Re, who discovered the secret of eternal life but died before using it.


Okay enough with the Magma already!


Zao


The earliest offshoot band from Magma, Zao was founded by two former Magma members who left after recording Kobaia and 1001 Degrees Centigrades. They left because they did not want to participate in the direction Magma was taking with MDK. Instead, Zao continued in the vein of Magma's first two albums. However they progressed away from Zeuhl with each release and more towards normal fusion. Their later albums have been compared to Weather Report.


Z=7L (1973)Osiris (1975)Shekina(1975)Kawana (1976)Typhareth (1977)


This is their entire discography (other than a 1994 reunion album not worth mentioning). As you go from left to right you gradually get less and less Zeuhl influence until finally you are left with Typhareth which has almost no connection to Zeuhl, as the made up language (not Kobaian though) chanting present in their first three albums is gone. Zao has gone through line up changes in between each album and each sounds slightly different as a result.


Eskaton


Eskaton formed in 1970 under the name Eskaton Kommandkestra, but did not record anything until almost 10 years later, releasing three albums.


4 Visions (1979)


If I said that Eskaton took all that was good and beautiful about Zeuhl and put it all on one very acessible album sung in French, would you do all you could to get this little gem into your possession? I rest my case. The bassist has catchy licks that rival any pop/disco group and the overall sound is more rock based than jazz based (as Magma's was). I almost think this would be a better introduction to Zeuhl than Magma, but that would be heresy wouldn't it? Regardless, get this album! Their other two follow along the same lines, but aren't quite a match.


Weidorje


About the same quality of amazing as Eskaton, while keeping more faithful to Magma. All this means is that they sound more like Magma than Eskaton did, due in part or in whole to the two ex-Magma members (bassist Bernard Paganotti and keyboardist Patrick Gauthier) involved. Their name is taken from a track off Magma's Udu Wudu album.


Weidorje (1978)


Only one recorded studio album, with two live bonus tracks. I would compare the sound to Udu Wudu era Magma, though Weidorje is more funky.


Dün


An oddity, mainly because it sounds closer to Japanese Zeuhl (like Happy Family) than French. The sound is much more chaotic than traditional French Zeuhl, whose sound has always been much more cohesive.


Eros (1981)


The sheer randomness of this lone release is enough to put off potential listeners. Eros, based on the Dune series by Frank Herbert, is probably what Zeuhl would sound like if Fantomas had a go at the genre. As a whole each track is impossible to understand. Dissected however, each individual section (skip to any part of any song and listen to it for a minute and see if you aren't impressed) is like a gold mine of unusual melody and unique sounds.


Eider Stellaire


Founded in 1980 by the drummer of Offering (is Vander like the leader of some musical cult?), Eider Stellaire is like a mixture of Magma and Eskaton, but not as oppressive as the first or as loud as the second. Yet darker sounding than either. They put out three albums, plus one unofficial one which I'd only try if you really like the others. In general, the drumming is more simple and straightforward than that of the other bands.


I (1981)II (1986)III (1987)


Their first is their best so go with that first. Their second is less accessible but pretty good, so get it next. Their third is a bit different and somewhat not as good, so use your judgement. The first two are worthy acquisitions for hardcore Zeuhl fans while the third sounds kind of similar to the next band on this list, minus the avant-garde.


Shub-Niggurath


Shub-Niggurath is equal parts Zeuhl and Univers Zero. Pretty different from all of the above. I would recommend this Zeuhl-chamber rock hybrid to fans avant-garde and RIO (basically, if you like The Red Masque, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and of course Univers Zero, you'll feel at home here). I like this though and I find similarities with Zeuhl so I believe they are worth checking out.


Les Morts Vont Vite (1986)


This is the only album of theirs I've heard so its the only one I can recommend. Also, rumor has it that while their other two albums: C'Étaient De Très Grands Vents and Testament are pretty good, this one is their best.


Wow, you sure wrote a lot you should be promoted to admin or something.

Hey yeah I know.


And that's French Zeuhl (and all its variations) for you in a single post. Happy hunting!

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Because of this new trend of introducing people to different genres of music (which I fully support), I have decided to try my hand at the wonders of:


Progressive Rock:
Symphonic Prog


Why have I written this article and what is progressive rock anyway?

I love music, more specifically, I love progressive rock, and I want to share my knowledge with people who may not know or may have dismissed the genre.


Progressive Rock is a movement begun in the mid to late 60's. Credit is due to bands such as The Beatles, The Doors, The Who, Procol Harum, Pink Floyd, etc for experimenting with the boundaries of conventional musical expression. These are the bands which laid the seeds for progressive rock to grow from. The commonly accepted year considered to be the birth of progressive rock is 1969, with the release of In the Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson, a symphonic prog album. However, the exact date is debatable.


This article will focus on the subgenre known as Symphonic Prog, which is the largest and most well known subgenre. For most people, it is synonymous with progressive rock. It is only one part of the greater whole, however it serves as a great introduction to this genre.


Symphonic prog? What is that?

First things first, the qualities which characterize Symphonic Progressive Rock, and by extention the majority of prog (taken from progarchives.com):


  1. Mixture of elements from different genres - The most common way progressive rock differs from more straightforward music such as classic rock in the 70s, heavy metal of the 80s, and alternative rock of the 90s, is its incorporation of styles which are not commonly used, such as jazz, classical, etc. For symphonic prog, the main difference came from classical influence in the bands' songwriting. It was not uncommmon to have extended classical interludes during songs, arranged for either piano or guitar.

  2. Complex time signatures - The most common time signatures in normal rock are 3/4 and 4/4, occasionally 6/8 or 5/4. A point of pride for many fans is listening to bands which play in unusual times like 7/4 (Solsbury Hill by Peter Gabriel, Money by Pink Floyd), 9/8 (Apocalypse in 9/8 by Genesis), 13/8 (Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper by Dream Theater), 15/8 (opening riff from Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield), and so on.

  3. Lush keyboards - An instrument not commonly used in the 60s or 70s by rock bands, the piano, keyboard, syntheziser, and mellotron are common in prog, in some bands such as Yes and ELP they are the cornerstone of the band's sound. Keyboardists like Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson (Yes and ELP respectively) are famous throughout prog rock circles for their inventive playing and technical prowess.

  4. Explorative and intelligent lyrics, in some cases close to fantasy literature, Sci Fi and even political issues - You'd be hard pressed to find progressive rock songs about love, sex, or drugs. You'd be hard pressed to find songs about anything unless it was masked by countless metaphors and poetic stylings (see Pete Sinfield of King Crimson fame, or Cedric Bixler-Zavala of The Mars Volta). Prog rock bands were prone to dedicate entire albums to a single concept, logically called Concept albums. Famous concept albums include:

    • The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis

    • Thick as a Brick by Jethro Tull

    • The Snow Goose by Camel


  5. Non commercial approach - It should be evident that from all the qualities already mentioned that most of these artists would not be played on the radio. Yet, some like Jethro Tull and Yes can be found on the airwaves occasionally. However, most of the time the music was made not for the listening pleasure of the audience, but for the satisfaction of the artists themselves.

  6. Longer format of songs - A very large difference, as most classic rock songs were composed with a single and constant rythem and beat, lasting for perhaps three to four minutes. It was pretty much a requirement in those days to have songs with multiple sections and sudden time signature changes. Many of the most famous prog rock songs are over 15 minutes, including Close to the Edge by Yes (18 minutes), Hamburger Concerto by Focus (20 minutes), and Karn Evil 9 (30 minutes).


So...which bands should I listen to?

Well, young music enthusiast I will go over the main symphonic prog bands which I believe anyone who has never heard progressive rock before will enjoy. Then I will list their best albums and tell you which you should listen to first, followed by those which you should only try if you have already listened to the others or if you are feeling adventurous. This second group of albums is in no way inferior, it is merely less accessible.


Yes


Perhaps one of the most famous and popular of all symphonic prog bands. The band was founded in 1968 by current band members Jon Anderson (singer) and Chris Squire (bassist). Notable members (past and present) include drummers Bill Bruford and Alan White, guitarist Steve Howe, and keyboardists Rick Wakeman and Patrick Moraz. Those listed make up the band's line up during their "golden years" which lasted from 1971 to 1974 with the following albums:


The Yes Ablum (1971)Fragile (1971)Close to the Edge (1972)Tales From Topographic Oceans (1973)Relayer (1974)


I would first reccomend trying The Yes Album and Fragile. They are their most straightforward albums yet still fairly progressive. If you enjoy those, try Close to the Edge (commonly considered their best effort), followed by Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer.


Yes has an extensive catalogue of albums ranging from progressive creme of the crop to decent pop to dreadful pop. Here is a link to their band page on progarchives. Scroll down a little bit to find streaming audio tracks. Scroll down more to find user reviews on each album. In fact, I recommend this entire site to anyone interested in progressive rock.


In addition, Jon Anderson, Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, and Chris Squire have all put out solo albums, for better or worse.


What are they doing now?

Currently, Yes is still together, though with some lineup changes, recently putting out The Ladder, which is a pretty decent pop album with progressive trimmings. They have canceled their most recent tour because of Jon Anderson's deteriorating health.


Genesis


You more than likely have heard these guys, knowing them as a successful pop band from the 80s. But Genesis actually started out as a pop band in 1967, when Peter Gabriel, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, and Anthony Phillips were still in college. A producer by the name of Jonathan King took them under his wing, providing them with a drummer in John Silver, and making them record an album titled From Genesis to Revelation, a collection of songs based around Bible stories.


Thankfully, Genesis moved on to bigger and better things with the following albums:


Nursery Cryme (1971)Foxtrot (1972)Selling England by the Pound (1973)The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974)


Genesis' "golden years" can be separated into two halves: Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot; and Selling England and The Lamb. The first two are more basic though no less technically sound. The latter two show the band interacting more with their instruments resulting in more complex compositions, though the first two are by no means simple. I therefore recommend Selling England by the Pound, followed by The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. Don't count out the earlier Genesis though, as fans consider Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme just as good if not better, so try those two out as well, even if you do not enjoy Selling England or The Lamb.


Although not listed here, two other albums Trick of the Tail and Trespass are of note. If you find that you enjoy The Lamb, try Trick of the Tail, which is the first post-Peter Gabriel album; if you are partial to Foxtrot-era Genesis, give Trespass a spin.


After Gabriel's departure, drummer Phil Collins took over vocal and songwriting duties. During the 80s and through the 90s, they put out mid to high quality pop albums including Duke, a self-titled, Abacab, and Invisible Touch. Check out their band page, for some streaming tracks.


What are they doing now?

They recently had a reunion and started playing concerts everywhere.


Emerson, Lake, and Palmer


When you think of ELP, the words excessive, pretentious, and self-indulgent come to mind. However, there's no denying that this trio was one of the most popular and essential of the early symphonic prog acts. The band is made up of the powerful drumming of Carl Palmer, mixed with the virtuosity of keyboardist Keith Emerson, and kept in check by the melodic vocals and guitar and bass work of former-King Crimson band member Greg Lake. Their first five albums, including one live disc of an adaptation of Mussorgsky's classical piece Pictures at an Exhibition, are all essential prog rock.


Emerson, Lake, and Palmer (1970)Tarkus (1971)Pictures at an Exhibition (1971)Trilogy (1972)Brain Salad Surgery (1973)


The only one of these I really recommend to anyone who isn't into prog would be their self-titled first album, because it is their most normal. In my opinion, its not even close to their best. The best would have to be Brain Salad Surgery. Whether you do or don't like their debut, try Brain Salad Surgery. Tarkus and Trilogy have good moments, but also have many weak tracks. Definately get Tarkus for the 20 minute title track. Also, Pictures at an Exhibition is pretty great live album, definately check it out after their debut and BSS.


Everything after these albums is very self-indulgent. Works volumes 1 and 2 are pretty weak in my opinion because they mostly are made up of solo works by each band member. Then there are a bunch of weak pop tracks. Some streaming tracks to get a sense of their crazy style. At one point when Palmer went to work with Asia they replaced him with a dude named Powell. That line up released one album I think, but its not worth mentioning.


What are they doing now?

Nothing really, probably for the best.


Camel


The last major symphonic band of the 70s worth going over is the ultra-melodic Camel. Led by Andrew Latimer, these guys released three really great albums, a few weaker ones, and then turned to art-pop, like most of the symphonic bands did during the 80s.


Mirage (1974)The Snow Goose (1975)Moonmadness (1976)


Their debut album, self-titled, was mainly a jazz fusion album. They moved on to release Mirage, which is their most straightforward rock album, which I recommend first. Commonly considered their masterpiece, The Snow Goose is an album based on the book of the same name. It is an instrumental interpretation of the story. Try it next, although it sounds completely different than any of their other albums and tends to be hit or miss with fans. Moonmadness is also very good, their most symphonic prog of the three, if you don't like The Snow Goose, then still try this one on for size.


Their next album, Rain Dances, follows along Moonmadness' footsteps, although highly inferior in my opinion, if you enjoy Moonmadness a lot, then try this one, otherwise avoid it. The rest of their catalogue is art pop, not necessarily bad, but not what you're looking for if you're looking for symphonic prog. As always, some samples to whet your whistle.


What are they doing now?

Still together, with Andrew Latimer leading the band as always. I hear their most recent two albums are a return to 70s form, although I haven't heard them.


If I've already heard of all these bands, then this article is pretty useless isn't it?

I suppose it is, what do you suggest?


Go over some other highly esteemed bands that I may not have heard of.

Good idea! I will now list some bands which are pretty great, though not famous or well known. They will be hit or miss with you, depending on your taste.


Focus


A commonly overlooked symphonic prog band that has put out many albums, not all of them good. They are a mix of folk and symphonic, I would compare them to a more instrumentally inclined Jethro Tull at some points. Their most, perhaps only, accessible track is Hocus Pocus from Moving Waves. I would recommend them only to adventurous listeners, as even I get frustrated by their extended instrumental sessions. I can recommend the three albums I have:


Moving Waves (1972)Focus III (1973)Hamburger Concerto (1974)


I would start out with Hamburger Concerto, followed by Moving Waves. Have a go with Focus III if you enjoy their style and can handle 67 minutes of Focus goodness. Each of these albums houses a 20+ minute song among the other tracks. I suppose they are one of the attractions of this band. Despite their inconsistant quality of output, they are skilled musicians who captured the essence and passion of progressive rock in their work.


Are they still around? Releasing mediocre albums during the latter half of the 70s and then making a return to form with their latest efforts in '02 and '06?

Yes.


Harmonium


This Quebec based band is considered to have put out two masterpieces during their short three album career. Their sound is a mixture of folk and symphonic, unlike Focus however the sound seems to blend more naturally, resulting in beautifully executed songs. Whereas Focus "focused" on technical instrumentals, Harmonium uses their talents to make atmospheric works of art. Compare each song to a painting. Their first album was more folky while their last is their most symphonic.


Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquième Saison (1975)L'Heptade (1976)


These are their two masterpieces. Try Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquième Saison (translated If There Was a Need for a Fifth Season) first, as it is the shorter of the two. L'Heptade is a two disc concept album based on the seven levels of conscience. Try them out but be warned, don't expect anything hard or fast.


So what they up to?

Nothing, disbanded.


Bacamarte


This is a Brazilian band who only put out two albums, one in 1983 and one in 1999. The one worth mentioning is their first: Depois do Fim. Though not integral in any way to the development of symphonic prog, as it was released well after the movement's heyday, give this a try as it is a highly rated album.


Depois Do Fim (1983)


Anglagard


Sweden is a GREAT country, if only because its giving us so many amazing bands, including Anekdoten and Dungen. But for now, lets go over Anglagard, who released two albums in 1992 and 1994. In a way, they are retro prog, playing an ode to past bands and having many influences from Yes and Genesis. Their compositions are great however, and you will enjoy them if you are a fan of classical symphonic prog.


Hybris (1992)Epilog (1994)


I'm not exactly a fan of their songwriting, as they tend to combine many separate ideas and cut and paste them in order to create 10+ songs. That's just my taste though, as I prefer songs which explore one idea and sound as though they have a purpose. Don't let me dissuade you from checking them out, as I probably already have done, as the instrumentals are all top notch symphonic prog. Try Hybris followed by Epilog; you may completely disagree with my opinion!


That's about it for this article. This should be more than enough to get you started. If you enjoy those main four bands, then be sure to try out the other lesser know prog groups, but do not limit yourself to only the ones I've recommended. The genre as a whole is very extensive, so if you find anything even remotely interesting abou

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Next year my school's giving me the option of gettting either a PC  or Mac laptop. I currently, and have always used Windows PC's. But I was wondering if I should switch. I mostly use my computer for interneting, playing computer games (both bought, downloaded, and emulated), recording and editting music (which I use a preamp with its own soundcard), and watching movies.

My biggest concern is that Mac won't be able to play games or be able to use my music editting software and hardware.
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This is pretty much the greatest game ever, for the first half. The gameplay is very good, that Devil Bringer is beyond unique. The boses are all interesting. I pretty much got addicted to it within the first hour. Each time a new enemy got introduced, I was like, "oh holy shit this is so great!" Its all going good until about the halfway point. After Mission 11, you switch over to Dante for the first time. And right now I'm pretty stoked because this is what I was waiting for the entire game. And the first mission or two with Dante was pretty great as well, when you have to escape from the castle that was pretty cool.


...But it all turned sour when the cutscene with Lady occurs. First of all, this is her one and only (useless) appearance in the game. And what it does is fuck up the story for the rest of the Dante led missions, except the last one. The next missions for some reason GO BACK to the castle you just escaped from even though in the cutscene you were already back home in the city. Well, that's okay I guess, I mean, its not OKAY okay, but its okay. At least they'll make the missions interesting? No, actually they retrace your steps through the forest, through the castle, and back through the icy wonderland. Its like they spend all their money and creative juices on the first half. Did I say that the boses were all really cool? Well they still are...unfortunately, I have to fight them all again. The first three boses you have to fight again, because for some reason Nero didn't finish them off. And then, when I finally get back into the city I fight Angus...for the third time. Dante's last mission, however, was really really AWESOME!

Then I gain back control of Nero, who has two missions left. The first of those, I have to fight the first three boses of the game....again. The second one, is pretty cool, but its really just a boss fight....actually, both missions are basically cutscene...boss fight....cutscene. With no level design at all. Its like they ran out of time so they decided to just wrap up the game by rehashing the same dice game as in an earlier mission (for the 2nd to last one), and a boss fight with the same design and set up as an earlier one....because in a sense its round 2 against the guy (for the last mission). What I LOVED about the first 11 missions were the cool puzzle-like level designs....and yet even when rehashing the same levels...it was just a simplified run through.

And then the story itself turns into some sort of sappy love story.


More stuff to complain about:

Dante's skills were cool and all...but I really felt as though the fact that you only have him for 7 missions, and you only get his final weapon in the last mission, makes getting used to his character kind of useless, because for the final mission, which I assume you learned all those moves for, you really only need the final weapon. All those cool skills and abilities are well...cool, but they end up being a waste because it ends up literally being, "well okay I did my thing, Nero your turn".

A word about the skills in general....I felt as though I was playing a demo version of the game; the skills were so limited. There were like 3 skill choices for everything that wasn't Nero's sword. Also, Nero's gun was a pretty useless fucking piece of shit.

A word about the story then I'm done. This was basically the deal breaker. I could almost live with all the dumb stuff they made me do with Dante, but not when I realized that after Mission 11, the story which was developing steadily and was ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD, just stopped completely until I got back in control of Nero. At which point, there was really nothing left aside from me having to defeat the final boss and watch a motivational cutscene about how demons can't love.


PS Also, did anyone actually find a use for those purple stars that restore magic? I never used one, nor even understood what it refered to.
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So I'll bve gettting one of these soon but I don't know what games are out at the moment. I heard a lot about Mass Effect (only for x-box) and GTAIV (for both, but apparently new episodes are x-box exclusive?),  and also Fable 2 (only for x-box, shit are all cool games on the box?) but I don't know of any other games.

I've been leaning towards x-box 360, but I just want to know if there's any reason to get PS3 at the moment? (aka like any really amazing games only for that system?)
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Hey, I really really don't want any spoilers but I would just want to know if this series is complete or not. I think that its 22 volumes, but now the author has started another series called 21st Century Boys..idk what's going on?
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So there I am, playing a cool melody by Gabriel era Genesis on my guitar, when all of a sudden, I'm struck by the image of a future too horrible to fathom. Its the year 1999AD, and Lavos has risen from his cavern in the depths of the planet. That's when I realized, I haven't played Chrono Trigger in a long time.


So here's a bit of an appreciation thread of perhaps the greatest SNES RPG ever created (and its sequel, if people want to talk about that mess as well I suppose  :fogetshrug:​).


My favorite moment: When you first enter the portal to the post-apocalyptic future and see all the ruins. The music was imo just perfect, so epic sounding. And at that moment, that was one of the few times ever when i felt amazed by a video game. The entire time, up until you reach the station and see the video that shows Lavos coming up, I was so in awe and in suspense. Man that was cool!

Least favorite moment: Saving the princess in the beginning of the game. Kind of an annoying mission, even though it introduced some important characters. Just seemed too long for a non-story mission. (Technically it was part of the story, as its not a side quest, but you know, comparing it to a mission where you collect apples for your mother's apple pie as the first mission so you can learn the controls before the second mission when the big bad final boss attacks your town, giving you motive to kill him as revenge for the rest of the game happens, wouldn't be that far off.)

Coolest move: Chrono's final move, Lumiere. So cool how he floats in the air like that, yeah you go you mute protagonist you! :fogetbackflip:

So yeah, share your favorite/un-favorite parts of the game. Reactions etc. I think I'm gonna replay this game tonight, aw FUCK THIS IS AN AWESOME GAME! SO FUCKING EPIC YEASSWS!
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http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/8040

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As Bender’s Big Score gets set to air in four installments on Comedy Central later this month, Fox Home Entertainment ahs announced that the next adventure in the series of Futurama DVD movies will be available at retail this summer. The Fate of human and robot-kind is at stake when Futurama: The Beast With A Billion Backs debuts at retail on June 24.

In what Fox is calling the most tentacle-packed Futurama epic, space itself rips open, revealing a gateway to another universe. What lies beyond is a mix of horror and love as the Planet Express crew encounters a repulsive, planet-sized monster with romantic intentions.

The second feature-length Futurama film will be followed by at least two more movies from series creators Matt Groening and David X. Cohen. The show’s entire voice cast and most of its main writers have returned to help revive the series, which FOX cancelled in 2003. Groening, who also created The Simpsons, has told us that Futurama is the animated show he’s most proud of. Those who haven’t picked up Bender’s Big Score on DVD yet can catch it on Comedy Central on March 23 at 8 p.m.


Any Futurama fans here? In a way I'm glad they're making movies rather than another series. Its a bit of a change. And it also gives time for development, which is always a good thing in a character driven series. Last movie was pretty good, what you guys think?
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Hey, I'm looking for a website host that's reliable and has fast speeds for loading pictures and whatnot. I've used Bravenet in the past, but they have horrible loading speeds. I don't need too much space (like 200MB is more than enough) but I do need a decent amount of bandwidth per day.


Also, not as important, but is there a recommended domain name service I should use? In the past I've used yahoo and bravenet.
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So AMT has a lot of albums. Some good, some bad, a few unlistenable. While this will probably end up being a VERY small market, I want to get a thread together that will consolodate all their stuff and describe whether its worth listening to or not.

Legend(of Dragoon):
 :gwa: = Awesome
 :) = Pretty good time
 :mellow: = Its ite/alright
 :sad: = Not that good, only for AMT fans
 :crazy: = Not that good, not even for AMT fans

In almost-alphabetical order:

41st Century Splendid Man [EP] ​
Not impressed....mostly jamming which isn't as good as their top jamming.

Absolutely Freak Out (Zap Your Mind!!)

Acid Mothers Temple + The Melting Paraiso U.F.O (Debut album) :sad:
I only listened once so I'll withhold judgement but I didn't like it.

Crystal Rainbow Pyramid Under The Stars ​
Dude, the 'title' track has fucking sax and acoustic guitar in it. That's like an AMT first. The other two tracks are pretty good too.

Does the Cosmic Sheperd Dream of Electric Tapirs? :gwa:
One of their few albums with actual songs (as in, they don't just jam for 30 minutes at a time). Also houses Dark Star Blues, which is a 30 minute jam, but one of their best imo.

Electric Heavyland

Have You Seen the Other Side of the Sky  :mellow:
Its average I think. Then again idk I listened to it while reading webcomics you know how that can get...

In C :)
Not bad. Two jams and an ambient track. Not too long an album either so I can't complain.

La Novia ​
I like. Can't remember much at the moment but I remember liking it, or at least liking the 40 min title track.

Magical Power From Mars

Mantra of Love

Minstrel In The Galaxy

New Geocentric World of Acid Mothers Temple

St. Captain Freak Out and the Magic Bamboo Request :sad:
Kinda disappointing because the sound quality is bad. Its also a very long album that sounds similar in each song with some exceptions. Its one of my favorites though, but really trying on any person's patience.

Starless and Bible Black Sabbath :)
Two tracks, a long jam and a shorter "freak out" as many AMT fans like to call it. I find it very good.

Troubadours From Another Heavenly World

Univers Zen Ou de Zero a Zero
Don't remember this one enough...

Wild Gals a Go-Go :)
A pretty solid album, kinda like Cosmic Sheperd in that there's actual songs.


Thats the albums I have. I haven't listened to about half though. So I'd appreciate help in writing a review for each, which I plan to elaborate on but at the moment I just wanted to get the topic up.
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I've listened to We're Only In it For the Money and it seemed to me more like an album geared towards political statements than towards good music. In other words, it sounded more like Zappa was focusing on making catchy songs with important lyrics rather than trying to make music. A friend wanted me to listen to Hot Rats, as he thinks its his best album, but I haven't given it a listen yet.

As for the Captain, i'm wondering whether Trout Mask Replica is really that good. I listened a few times but it really isn't that amazing. That's not tot say its bad, but when an album has adjectives such as 'masterpiece', 'genious', and 'pretty good' attached to it, I feel like it should offer more than it did. Maybe I'm not looking at it correctly though.
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Sorry for the randomness of this topic, but I was just thinking about 9/11. Now, people say that we (USA) have changed how we view the world. But the thing is, before 9/11 I was but a young 7th grade lad. So basically all I remember concerning politics is post-9/11. Therefore, I do not truely know the impact 9/11 had on the US/world. Can anyone who feels they have an answer please respond.

PS: I know that a lot of you guys are not from the USA, but this event likely still had an impact on your lives. Please specify if you are from the US or not.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Smart_%28film%29


Apparently there's a movie based on the Get Smart series. It doesn't have a release date I don't think but its supposed to come out in 08. I loved the series, and since Steve Carrell is alright this should turn out well.


At worst...it'll just be like Steve Martin's version of The Pink Panther. Funny, but pales in comparison to the classic series.