i think kaworu has a point though btw. it's true that a lot of modern bands which are considered prog metal (mastodon, between the buried and me, textures, meshuggah, gojira, opeth....) have screaming/growling and it's pretty common for lots of avant-garde/prog metal bands. i still associate the word prog metal with bands like dream theater, queensryche, symphonyx, ayreon etc. but it's also true that lots of modern bands which are just kinda different from your usual metal are called prog metal and it's probably most fitting genre for them too. i still disagree with kaworu though, disillusion is far from your average prog metal band and i'm not even a fan or anything. i find the first album pretty good though.

i also think you people need to get over this lyric thing. music can be good without having intelligent lyrics! i almost never pay attention to lyrics in metal and even though overly cheesy lyrics can be distracting (power metals) i can enjoy good music. man sometimes lyrics can make little to no sense but they can still sound cool and vocals can add a lot to the music without you actually trying to make sense out of the lyrics. i dunno maybe it's just impossible for some people to enjoy music as simply music. there's more to music and vocals than lyrics. i'm not afraid to admit i might like good metal with awful lyrics more than some run-of-the-mill sounding indie with clearly better lyrics.

there is good metal. and this whole art argument is dumb as hell.

Metal is good. I like it. You all are stupid for arguing. Listen to good music and be happy (rap and pop sucks though!).

haha get out

you can't define art btw, this is a stupid argument.

this is a pretty stupid argument imo I THINK IT SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD YOU DONT HAVE TO FIT ANY MELODY JUST kEEP PLAYING THESE CHORSD

if you don't care for lyrics then use your voice as an instrument but if you're actually formulating words and singing them they should atleast make sense

I think you misunderstood what I said. I didn't mean that the lyrics couldn't make sense, the artist probably had some idea behind them but even so there probably isn't much to it and a lot of listeners probably just find it OKAY RANDOM LYRICS COOl and aren't bothered by it at all. This is the case with so many bands I couldn't even start listing them. And since you brought random lyrics up, I probably wouldn't be bothered by that as long as the lyrics don't distract me. I would prefer REAL WORDS to some random mumble jumble even if the lyrics don't necessary make any sense, it can still work well with the music. And Steel has a point, there are inoffensive lyrics and then there are clearly really awful lyrics but I don't think it's always possible to draw the line between the two since some people can stomach more than others. For example, I probably can tolerate way worse lyrics than Steel can because English isn't my native language and I doubt I pay as much attention to lyrics as he does. I appreciate good lyrics I can relate to or just think HEY THIS IS P.GOOD but lyrics are still almost always the last thing I pay attention to. Sometimes I listen to albums many times before I even start paying that extra attention to lyrics.

also as far as the whole art thing is concerned, i would consider any music which isn't made commercial success in mind art. like you make music for yourself and if others like it then that's cool. but you shouldn't make music to please others or to sell records. that's not art. that's merchandise. as for steel's artistic merit argument, i don't really have anything to say about that. if you weigh artistic merit in lyrics then yes finding artistic merit in metal will be difficult! i listen to metal because it has characteristics other genres don't. sometimes i like to listen to really heavy shit. i like the dynamics, i like the juxtaposition of heaviness and melody, i like some growling and screaming, and i like that mixed in with clean vocals, i like cool heavy riffs, i like lots of things metal has to offer.

i find a lot of metal uninteresting and boring and i don't just mean awful shit like slipknot, i just don't get (or care) a lot of metal which isn't even considered awful but even so i don't think metal is any worse than other genres. it's definitely not my favorite or most listened genre but i like metal and there is metal which isn't awful, i just don't dig it. to each his own. now i'm a boring person........

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i find it a lil samey a lot of the time tbh, from what hes linked

my roomate plays stoner metal/stoner rock or whatever the fuck all day long. a lot of it is REALLY samey, but there is a lot that's pretty good.