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tuxedo marx

#61 June 24, 2012, 05:20:32 pm

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don't worry vellfire, the patriarchy will ~ m a g i c a l l y d i s a p p e a r ~, just you wait and see

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ReloadXPsi

#62 June 24, 2012, 05:22:08 pm

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(Yeah I tend to spam the edit button so I often post then realise I left a point out.)

"WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT A SPECIFIC SOCIAL ATTITUDE" is technically fascism by the way. In the end you can't win. Man, all those shades of grey. It's almost like the book title itself is fittingly too topical.

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Vellfire

#63 June 24, 2012, 05:23:27 pm

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Quote from: ReloadXPsi on June 24, 2012, 05:22:08 pm

"WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT A SPECIFIC SOCIAL ATTITUDE" is technically fascism by the way.

WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT SEXISM. that's fascism? cool i'm fine with being a fascist then.

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tuxedo marx

#64 June 24, 2012, 05:23:37 pm

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activism is fascism. activism is fascism. i... can't go on.

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ReloadXPsi

#65 June 24, 2012, 05:25:38 pm

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Telling someone what they can and can't say? Well yeah. In the end we're all as bad as each other.

"YOU CANNOT HAVE THIS ATTITUDE YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS ONE INSTEAD"

"GOOD PEOPLE DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY A THING"
**someone says a thing you don't like**

"YOU CANNOT SAY THING"

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#66 June 24, 2012, 05:27:33 pm

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Quote from: ReloadXPsi on June 24, 2012, 05:25:38 pm

Telling someone what they can and can't say? Well yeah. In the end we're all as bad as each other.

"YOU CANNOT HAVE THIS ATTITUDE YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS ONE INSTEAD"

if you seriously think that wanting to stamp out something like sexism in society is fascism then seriously just leave now.

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ReloadXPsi

#67 June 24, 2012, 05:28:23 pm

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I don't want sexism in society, but all "WE HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE TO STOP" means we're as bad as each other.

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/supponibarodu/
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#68 June 24, 2012, 05:29:12 pm

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Quote from: ReloadXPsi on June 24, 2012, 05:28:23 pm

I don't want sexism in society, but all "WE HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE TO STOP" means we're as bad as each other.

no

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ReloadXPsi

#69 June 24, 2012, 05:30:20 pm

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Well... yeah. I guess we're divided. We always will be. I learned years ago that we can't live in harmony or we would've achieved THAT centuries ago.

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/supponibarodu/
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tuxedo marx

#70 June 24, 2012, 05:33:05 pm

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apparently that didn't include learning anything about oppression and alienation

the scariest part of this is that you can't put this down to the naïveté of youth, you've reached 27 years of age with the mindset of a child

jesus fucking christ

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ReloadXPsi

#71 June 24, 2012, 05:38:22 pm

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Fair assessment. I just find it ironic that we can tell someone what they can and can't say and it isn't oppression in its own right. Even telling someone they can't do something bad is oppression.

I'm kinda fucking with you guys, I don't agree with sexism and oppression and never have, but I love bringing that point up to see how people react. Yes, social attitudes towards women even now are capable of being very shitty. Anyone got a good idea how to stop it then? Let's do this.

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#72 June 24, 2012, 05:43:58 pm

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Quote from: ReloadXPsi on June 24, 2012, 05:38:22 pm

I'm kinda fucking with you guys, I don't agree with sexism and oppression and never have, but I love bringing that point up to see how people react. Yes, social attitudes towards women even now are capable of being very shitty. Anyone got a good idea how to stop it then? Let's do this.

Glad that oppression that fucks with my daily life is so much fun for you then! Since it's just some abstract exercise for you and not something you have to live with at all...glad you can just play around with it and poke and prod for reactions with people because you have the privilege to not have to deal with any of this in any real way.

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tuxedo marx

#73 June 24, 2012, 05:45:11 pm

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it's okay guys, call off all social justice movements, he was just fooling around. just fooling around with people's feelings. just fooling around with things that actually affect people in fairly horrible ways. i'm laughing, truly, i am.

of course, no one can expect to believe you weren't being serious

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#74 June 24, 2012, 05:45:42 pm

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There are the occasions that men—intellectual men, clever men, engaged men—insist on playing devil's advocate, desirous of a debate on some aspect of feminist theory or reproductive rights or some other subject generally filed under the heading: Women's Issues. These intellectual, clever, engaged men want to endlessly probe my argument for weaknesses, want to wrestle over details, want to argue just for fun—and they wonder, these intellectual, clever, engaged men, why my voice keeps raising and why my face is flushed and why, after an hour of fighting my corner, hot tears burn the corners of my eyes. Why do you have to take this stuff so personally? ask the intellectual, clever, and engaged men, who have never considered that the content of the abstract exercise that's so much fun for them is the stuff of my life.

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#75 June 24, 2012, 05:51:48 pm

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Quote from: ReloadXPsi on June 24, 2012, 05:38:22 pm

Anyone got a good idea how to stop it then? Let's do this.

really the first step to stopping a social practice, as I think someone said early in the discussion, is to adopt the attitude that it does matter and that the offending practice is not ok.

eg, the civil rights movement. we didn't get to this point because people are innately good or bad, we got here because of the concerted efforts of many people who were not ok with 'letting history take its course'.

it's easy to fall into having a pessimistic view of society, but it's something people ideally should get over as it is antisocial

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#76 June 24, 2012, 05:55:47 pm

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Quote from: ReloadXPsi on June 24, 2012, 05:38:22 pm

Fair assessment. I just find it ironic that we can tell someone what they can and can't say and it isn't oppression in its own right. Even telling someone they can't do something bad is oppression.

I'm kinda fucking with you guys, I don't agree with sexism and oppression and never have, but I love bringing that point up to see how people react. Yes, social attitudes towards women even now are capable of being very shitty. Anyone got a good idea how to stop it then? Let's do this.

wow you think that caring about social issues and advocating change is OPPRESSION? help help my straight white male pride is being infringed upon!! "even telling someone they can't do something bad is oppression" oh okay hey there little billy i was going to tell you to stop hitting that little girl in your preschool class but i don't want to oppress you. haha and you think you can go around calling women cunts and acting all "HEH" superior and then when you start to realize that you're maybe being a jerk you just play it off as "lol jk i was playin devil's advocate~!!! LET'S DO THIS!" yeah umm.

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ReloadXPsi

#77 June 24, 2012, 06:11:35 pm

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I appreciate that you must go through some shit but if you really have a way to put a stop to it, please tell me how and I will help. It's all well and good saying "this happens, it's bad" but unless you've got viable solutions then ranting more and more is just making you look like, well, someone who rants a lot, and eventually people get tired of lots of words with no action.

Now believe it or not I spent my entire childhood and most of my employed life being given shit by women for being male, a male who has never oppressed another woman in his life, but was tarred with the same brush as the other men who apparently oppressed them in their lives. Hell, one of my friends lost custody of his child because the judge basically favoured the mother, and now pays more than he can technically afford in support. Men are negatively affected by gender division too. It's a circle I don't think is ever going to be broken because there aren't enough people willing enough to quit spinning the damn thing.
I'll agree that there's nothing specifically wrong with telling men to stop oppressing women though.

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tuxedo marx

#78 June 24, 2012, 06:14:25 pm

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WHAT ABOUT MY IDENTITY

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#79 June 24, 2012, 06:14:48 pm

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Quote from: ReloadXPsi on June 24, 2012, 06:11:35 pm

Now believe it or not I spent my entire childhood and most of my employed life being given shit by women for being male, a male who has never oppressed another woman in his life, but was tarred with the same brush as the other men who apparently oppressed them in their lives. Hell, one of my friends lost custody of his child because the judge basically favoured the mother, and now pays more than he can technically afford in support. Men are negatively affected by gender division too. It's a circle I don't think is ever going to be broken because there aren't enough people willing enough to quit spinning the damn thing.

nope. nope nope nope. we're not doing this again. nope. never. stop right here. this is the end of this.

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#80 June 24, 2012, 06:15:39 pm

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w h a t a b o u t t h e m e n s

hey a woman was once unkind to me because she doesn't like men this is the same as systematic oppression of women

nope. nope. nope. n;ope.

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